Myer:
Not all would still believe, true.
But a sizeable number would.

Myer:
If God felt it was necessary then, how much more now?

Myer:
Faith is important yes, but so is evidence.

shadeyinka:

The Jehovah's Witness group actually has two separate Gods
1. God Almighty (Jehovah)
2. Mighty god( Jesus/Angel Michael)
Exo 20:3:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."


I think you agree with them.

shadeyinka:

Can you win a athiest in an argument? Same thing

Janosky:


Nobody can argue against the Truth, John 17:3,17. John 20:17,30,31
DUBIOUS shadeyinka.

Janosky:


DUBIOUS shadeyinka satanic LIAR.

John 17:3, Psalms 83:18 Jehovah is the Almighty Most High God, the Only true God.
Emphasis on Most High and ONLY TRUE.
Mighty God (Hebrew EL-Gibbowr) is a title for Jesus, Man , Angels and Yahweh too.

You , Shadeyinka are very wicked. You came here to LIE because you are triune pagan deity devotee.
TUEH !!!

MuttleyLaff:
It is not about winning anything, but it is all about opening ajar a door of truth and beam light in so to have it illuminated up, now its up to the other person to exercise his/her freewill whether to be curiously moved enough and be stirred up to want to step through the door. There is no forcing involved, no pushing, no shoving inside, the decision to go in is entirely in the hands and legs of the person.

When Apostle Paul met with King Agrippa, he didnt with an argument with his majesty.

Myer:


It was biblically possible though.
Jesus did, Paul did, etc.
Guess how?
With signs and wonders.
Is that not all an atheist demands?

MuttleyLaff:







"For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.
And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6 - New World Translation

New World Translation won't follow him fight because as you can see from my two above mentions, that is how JW's indoctrination wants it. As for the contradiction and inconsistency in Isaiah 9:6, well that JW going confused dot com there, lmao.

Rozz:
They are not in anyway linked with atheists

Rozz:
This is my first time seeing this about them,it may not be true though.

shadeyinka:

It is true. According to them, Jesus is simply Angel Gabriel.
And Jesus is less the true God but he is a lesser God!

Rozz:
haa,this is not true

Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/

shadeyinka:
John 1:1 New World Translation (NWT)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Their own translation show that Jesus is a god with a small "g"!

Modified:
I checked it again o!
Isaiah 9: 6
6 For a child has been born to us,+
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+ Eternal Father, Prince of Peace

I AM CONFUSED

Maximus69:


The way we separated ourselves from other religious groups is enough reason for people to ask questions.
We won't
~pray with you.
~worship with you.
~sing praises along with you.
~marry you.
~join you in racism.
~politics with you.
~bear religious titles as you do.
~practice same rule of conduct with you.
~accept the same entertainment with you.

Yet we are the world's most organized and orderly religious groups!

Of course any honest hearted person will feel disturbed asking

"why are they not accepting the rest of us as fellow believers?"

All these arguments are just like cover-up for many to pour their anger or animosity against us, so we fully understand what is going on!

Rozz:
haa,this is not true

hoopernikao:

What is this man saying?

You have started sounding like Musewa of the old Nairaland. That's what I could remember now.

Maximus69:


That's exactly what they said about my Master Lord and King! John 10:20



They told him you're sounding like those who don't know anything from God's word! John 8:48

But yet they all rushed to the thread where someone mentioned the group name "Jehovah's Witnesses"!

Continue deceiving yourselves!

MuttleyLaff:
Are you saying you're confused that JW don't see or perceive Jesus to be God ni?

Maximus69:


God's word referred to many other beings as God. Psalms 82:1,6
The confusion was caused by Bible translators who often try to differentiate between the God of Israel and that of other nations by using capital letters to write the title when referring to the God of Israel but small letters when referring to the God of other nations.

So whether they keep the title as GOD, God or god, the title remains just a title. What Israelites used to distinguish their own God is his personal name 'YHWH' or 'JEHOVAH'! Psalms 83:18

It's impossible for an Israelite to tell a Philistines that Jehovah is the Almighty but that the God of the Philistines is lesser!

But at the mention of the name everybody in ancient times know that this is the name of the God of so and so nation~
Jehovah~ the God of Israel
Jupiter~ the Roman greatest God
Zeus~ the Grecian greatest God

What differs is that all other nations have numerous Gods while Israel had just one! Deuteronomy 6:4

Most translators have removed the divine name from their version and replaced the name with the title GOD or LORD, but then they now have to deal with many problems. For instance after replacing God's personal name with the title LORD, they got to a place where David was talking about Jehovah and Jesus, there David wrote
"Jehovah said to my Lord" Psalms 110:1
But because they don't want to write God's name they translated that passage as
"The LORD said to my Lord"
Forget that if not the reader, the title will sound the same when pronouncing it!

Jesus was an angel in heaven before coming to the earth, back in heaven before his coming he is called Michael (the head of all the heavenly armies)! Jude 9

Rozz:
You always have a point but there's always another verse to counter what you've written.True understanding of the Bible is spiritual else you get confused

hoopernikao:


Mr Janosky

This is where I always have issue with some of you. You can't continue doing this when you have been corrected many times and you saw it yourself. It will amount to manipulation of the scriptures. I have shown you here many times and you have seen it that usage of theos in John 1:1 or any verse is not a reason to say it means a god. It is context and interpretation that will determine that. We have had this discussion severally here. I likewise pointed you to one of your organization post on their website that also corrected you but you kept holding the wrong meaning.

You can go ahead defending your doctrine but ensure you use words and scriptures within their meaning and context. This is how you can present yourself truthfully.

Theos is the main Greek name for God (the supreme being) and it can be used to mean any god. Every other word for God in Greek based on Theos such as Theon, Theous etc are inflexions of the main word Theos based on the grammar usage not meaning usage.

So you can use any other thing to explain but pointing to John 1:1 that because Theos was used then it means a god, will be a deliberate error of interpretation.

achorladey:



Janosky: even though you have no comprehensive record of everything he did in heaven and earth.

Achorladey: Do you have COMPREHENSIVE RECORD of everything he DID in HEAVEN and on EARTH?

That someone don't have comprehensive record of what Jesus did in HEAVEN or EARTH is that a criteria to BELIEVE or NOT to BELIEVE TRINITY?

You that don't believe in TRINITY do you agree that the BIBLE talks about the father, son and the holy spirit?

Those that do believe in TRINITY do you you agree they know the Bible talks about the father, son, holy spirit.

Janosky: Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus Christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called Trinity.

Achorladey: Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called "PUT FAITH in a VISIBLE ORGANIZATION"

We see easily the back of the head of other people na others dey see our own. I have equally shown you how that ORGANIZATION concept relate to the TRINITY palaver. You will look elsewhere on that.

The spirit that will keep fostering is up there in the previous post. TRINITY has been on nairaland for ages. This thread will close another will open and we go still see you there. Yet you go on every thread that it's DEAD and BURIED. How many times will TRINITY DIE. As it seems TRINITY has UNENDING RESURRECTION from ages past beginning from the fourth century A.D

shadeyinka:
The NWT is confusing everybody except JWs.

Timalt:

My dear, I would say you did well. Questioning what you believe is the first step towards intellectual integrity. For you to question what you believe shows that you are sincere and not afraid to be proved wrong.

The Trinity doctrine is one that after personal research, I do not believe it. Because I can't find sufficient evidence to support that claim. Infact history shows that it was in the 2nd/3rd century that the teaching was introduced to replace the teaching of modalism.

Now let this be very Clear. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the only Unitarians. There are some other groups that do not believe in Trinity. Google is your friend. Infact the concept of unitarianism is as old as time because many who believed in unitarianism were persecuted in the Roman empire. The teaching of unitarianism was resurrected sometimes in the 16th century and since then it has gained some popularity again.

Now, let it be clear to you that if you were a Jehovah's witness, you can't question the doctrines. If you have questions and they give you answers that are unsatisfactory, "you are told to wait on Jehovah". And Jehovah for them is essentially 8 men in America that tell them what to believe. They revere these men and they call them their Governing body. Now if you dare disagree after they tell you to wait on Jehovah, you would be excommunicated, ostracized, shunned for life and labeled an Apostate. Which in the Jehovah witness world is worse than death itself. Careful about this group. I mean it. I agree with some of their teachings just like I agree with some teachings of some other churches. Before you become their member, please research about them carefully. Research their founder, their history, their doctrines. For example they teach that unless you are a member, God will kill you at armageddon. It does not matter if you are a good Christian or not. They teach that only those in their organization will survive their so called armageddon.
They have a very false doctrine on blood transfusion. They say the Bible condemns blood transfusion, whereas all the Bible talks about is eating blood. There was no transfusion in the first century. Yet they hypocritically accept blood fractions that is gotten from blood itself.
They baptize children as young as 7 years, and if the child ever decides to leave their church, they are shunned by their family and friends for life. In fact they become dead to their families.
Once you baptize and enter that religion, there's no honorable way of ever leaving. Just know that.
They have made many false prophecies 1874, 1878, 1914, 1920, 1925, 1942, 1975, they also predicted the end of the 20th century. All these dates are dates the end was supposed to come.

They discourage University education.

They say birthdays are pagan, but they wear wedding rings and cut wedding cakes which are also pagan.

They have have an issue with child abuse in their midst. And they have something they call the two witness rule. Where if a child is abused, unless another witness corroborates the story or the accused confesses, they will say the leave the matter in God's hand. Their religious leaders do not report child sexual abuse which is a crime under the law to the authorities. Research all I have said.

They believe in a strange doctrine that you are not in the new covenant. That only 144,000 are in the new covenant. And they believe that the remaining ones of the 144,000 are all Jehovahs witnesses. Every other person out there is not part of that their exclusive club.

They teach that Jesus is not your mediator. That Jesus is the mediator of only the 144,000. And only by association with the 144,000 of which the foremost are the 8 men in America, only through them can you get to God.

They teach a false doctrine started by William Miller who was an Adventist in the 1800s that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. They believe Jesus is "present" but that he is invisible to others. And only them who are discerning know of his coming and presence. William Miller who started the nonsense predicted 1874, and when it failed, he dropped it. It was many splinter groups that modified the nonsense. Infact it was another Adventist not a Jehovah's witness or Bible student as they were then called, the man was Named Nelson Barbour. He was the one that came up with the ridiculous acrobatics of doctrine of 1914. Even he left the nonsense.

They say Jesus returned invisibly in October 1914 and that is when the last days started. They point to world War 1 as proof. But that is lie from the pit of hell because world War 1 started on July 28, 1914. So evidently that their doctrine is false.

They also falsely claim Jerusalem was destroyed by babylon in 607bce. When all Cuneiform tablets and overwhelming evidence proves it to be 586/586bce. Please Google it.

They teach another false doctrine that the great crowd in revelation will be on earth when Revelation 19:1 says they are in heaven.

They believe that salvation is gotten by works not grace. Even though they claim to believe in undeserved kindness, their own description for grace. Yet believe that you must go around sharing their pamphlets or stand with their carts distributing their pamphlets, and then you must record the hours you spent and send it to them every month before you can be saved.

Once you join them, you are pressured to convert your family, and if they don't convert, you are to limit your association with them because they are worldly association who would be destroyed at armageddon.

All the books printed by their founder, Charles Russell is out of print. They are hidden from their members. Thank God you can see them on the internet now. The electronic copies. Or if you want the hard copies, you can get it from eBay.

See! All I am saying is get to know them very very very well before you even step into their church or hall. Immediately you enter, they love bomb you.

Once you are their member you can't research anything that criticizes them, their leaders or their teachings.

Use www.jwfacts.com
to see things they printed in their own publications old and new.

Now watch how their members will want to attack my post. Just watch.

www.Jwfacts.com

shadeyinka:

I spoke the truth with no addition to what you preach. Which of my two statements contradict your doctrine?

shadeyinka:

The NWT is confusing everybody except JWs.

Janosky:


Archoladey NONSENSICAL NONSENSE.
Just CONFESS you believe in the Trinity GIBBERISH rather than posting NONSENSE.
John 20:17,30-31, your Belief or non belief is of Prime Importance.
Your Bible says your salvation is tied to your Belief.

Give us PROOF visible organization wrote Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev3:12.

shadeyinka:


John 1:1 New World Translation (NWT)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Their own translation show that Jesus is a god with a small "g"!

Modified:
I checked it again o!
Isaiah 9: 6
6 For a child has been born to us,+
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+ Eternal Father, Prince of Peace



I AM CONFUSED

shadeyinka:

Some people are obstinatly wrong!

MuttleyLaff:
Is this a good thing though?
Does it build the body of Christ and glorify God?

Janosky:

Mixture of LIEs and half truths.

Jehovah is NOT 8 men in America. You know you are LYING

JWs uphold the Biblical injunction

" REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES."
2nd John 2:9-10 Says
AVOID unrepentant wrongdoers (former believers) who turn against the teaching of Jehovah God. "Do NOT say a greeting to them"
Jehovah loves Quality NOT quantity.
Only Noah and his family survived the Deluge.

Expel the Immoral Brother
1 Corinthians 5:1,2,5,7,12-13.
1
"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife…"

2.
And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?

…12
"What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”


Jesus is a Jehovah's witness. Isaiah 42:10-12.Acts 3:13. Rev3:5,11-14. Deal with it.
Those who don't worship the Jehovah will not receive everlasting life. 2 Thess1:7-9. Deal with it.

Matthew 5:3,5. Jesus Christ says not everyone good person will be in heaven. Some will live forever on earth. Deal with it. 2Pet 3:13. Rev21:1-5.

Show us the profession that doesn't expel or discipline unethical practice. Jehovah must discipline unrepentant wrongdoers.

Jesus Christ says his real brothers are his Followers. He came to plant division between his Followers and their unbelieving family members. Deal with It. JWs put obedience to God ahead of family ties. Matt10:32-39.

Acts 15:28,29 Abstain from blood. Your doctor says "abstain from drugs"
. You go ahead and infuse it intravenously. Have you obeyed your doctor's instructions?
Use of blood fractions is ok. There are blood fractions in the eggs you eat. Do you agree that eating eggs amounts to eating blood?

Every individual growth and development is NOT the same.
Baptism is a personal decision.
If a child of 7 is focused on pursuing a career in Music,would you complain. You call am genius. If a 7year old is focused to serve his God, una begin to complain. Is he accountable to you ?


The Bible says Jesus Christ will rule in heaven in the midst of his enemies,(the period the Bible calls "end time" is that not already clear to you?
Bros, Bible chronology is more accurate than secular history. Deal with it.

Jesus Christ mediates (not for unrepentant wrongdoers ,2Thess1:7-9) but for his Followers who have "Washed their robes clean with the blood of the Lamb.

Jehovah God is the Author of Marriage. Celebrate your marriage anniversary,no wahala.
Birthdays celebration is pagan practice.
That's the reason why Jesus Christ no do am.
King Herod and King Pharaoh were Pagans.
Galatians 4:8-11.
God's servants used ornaments in the temple.
Wedding rings, ear rings and other ornaments are ok.
Except you put them for shrine dey worship your family deity.

Your claim is very MISLEADING.
JWs in the higher institutions keep GROWING year after year.
JWs put emphasis on acquisition of viable, vocational education MORE than acquisition of paper qualifications.
No JW is excommunicated because he is in a higher institutions. NEVER !



Jehovah's witnesses are not perfect, Jesus Followers were also not perfect. Peter lied against his Master, they made FALSE predictions. They squabbled for positions. They had no perfect understanding of everything Jesus taught them... John 16:16-18. Luke 22:56-61. Luke 19:11. Luke 24:21,45-48. Prov4:18.

Monkey no fine him Mama like am....
Shalom

Janosky:

Another GIBBERISH

MuttleyLaff:
You cracked me up yesterday, leaving me bursting out in laughter on the public walkway reading this comment and especially the last sentence above.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8KZps4woA
Those arent brothers in the above video, that's one person, and it is Agent Smith, from the film Matrix
Just look at that kkins/25! Beautiful isnt it?
That's child play for God to do, meaning easy for God to do more than one place at the same time within the same dimension or multi dimension

kkins/25, did you see how Agent Smith was multiplying himself, by saying more, huh?
Did you watch him being in more than one place at the same time within the same dimension, hmm?
Is it far fetch or difficult to believe, that God can do more and better than multiplying Himself like done by Agent Smith, in that sci-fi film, erhn?
Is it something hard for God to as well do, huh?