ProfAmaben:

Very good analysis. Africa that I know can never attain wealth or be middle class like the Malaysians. The African mindset is very polluted, highly religious, loves pulling others down, very lazy, lacks innovation, has an entitlement mentality, bad governance etc etc etc

Never say never.

ednut1:
well blacks everywhere dont have what it takes. Any African nation that doesn't play ball with the west they Bleep them up. Black nations do not have what it takes to be like the Chinese. Simple fact.

If you don’t have what it takes, why won’t you play ball with those who have?
Does it make sense to you that someone who does not have what it takes is not playing ball with those who have?
Such a person/group deserves to be fuccked up thoroughly in every way possible.
No food for lazy man.

salford1:
In my opinion, wealth (individual or collective) can bring respect but not eradicate racism. It will reduce racism to an extent. Asians and Indians also get discriminated against but not at the level of Africans.

The slave trade, Jim Crow, apartheid era e.t.c. severely reduced the worth of a black person. Coupled with the ongoing corruption and malnutrition in Africa.

Is it Africans who are responsible for the corruption and malnutrition, or who is responsible

MarjieJ98354:


That's because all these races are proud of their heritage. Blacks want to be anything but black!! And to add to this, When other races were discriminated against, they rose to the challenge. Blacks seem to be complacent in their inferiority. Instead of revolting against their enemies, they attempt to blend in. The superior race is not willing to blend their resources with people that don't have the pride to create resources of their own.
And I know people will argue their too poor to do anything. Well in order to do anything, you have to sacrifice the comfort of complacency.

They did so by being rich, that's the difference. With the accompanying wealth, they earned respect even if they were/are not liked.

To add: here is the video of an AA woman (https://twitter.com/kimah_love/status/1266284725171220481?s=19) who raps about the injustice they face in the country and being allowed to go home if they are no more wanted. However, she was clearly told that the last time AAs went home, the result was Liberia and was asked if she would go which she could not answer. Which supports my notion that if Sub-Saharan Africa (the dominant environment of black people) is wealthy, most black people across the world (UAE, Saudi Arabia, China, India etc.) where they are racially discriminated will flock back home. The vast majority of humans will not vacate where it is better for them for somewhere less.

HarryDuce:
You made very good points although I don't entirely agree with everything you've stated.

The East Asians are still discriminated against, sure. The Indians and Arabs and others as well; But the thing is, all of this discrimination is in opposition to blackness.

The closer you are to being white and affirming to Western/European values, the more respect you get from people all over the world. This is just a general rule (sadly).

Japan and South Korea are two very successful nations that hardly export undesirables. No matter how "developed", "rich", "civilised" they are, someone from a less developed "White" country would get more respect than they would in many countries in a similar outlook.

The mind is a strong contributing factor as well. Slavery --and poverty-- over several centuries in Arabia, East Asia and the Americas have left a lasting impression in the cultures of many.

Many people think that white is always right including and not restricted to black people. Rich Black/Asians are not left out.

I think In addition to accumulating wealth, black people need to have a very positive impact on the world that is visible and lasting to every creed. This is the most important thing in my opinion.

That is because they enjoy the leverage of their cousins who are the richest of all races globally. That privilege is for life except under any circumstances Caucasians become the poorest globally. It is the reason rich Chinese cannot abuse Italians in Italy whereas they can do same in Nigeria. It is important that as black people, we embrace and practice the most extreme form of capitalism to become wealthy. Capitalism because it is the only economic system that has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. It is the same system the Igbos used to regain their lost wealth which earned them respect today and have one of the lowest percentages of out-of-school children even though more than three million were killed more than fifty years ago.

Gerrard59:


That is because they enjoy the leverage of their cousins who are the richest of all races globally. That privilege is for life except under any circumstances Caucasians become the poorest globally. It is the reason rich Chinese cannot abuse Italians in Italy whereas they can do same in Nigeria.

all this one na story. All you are saying is almost same as saying how do you make leopards that are solitary into lions that like pride. Black race and most African countries have no technology, unity or management skillset to be rich. Even if in 500 years we are able to do it. Racism will still be there. There is still tribalism here in Nigeria even tho some tribes are more educated and richer

ednut1:
all this one na story. All you are saying is almost same as saying how do you make leopards that are solitary into lions that like pride. Black race and most African countries have no technology, unity or management skillset to be rich. Even if in 500 years we are able to do it. Racism will still be there. There is still tribalism here in Nigeria even tho some tribes are more educated and richer

Which is why the topic is hinged on reduction not eradication. Humans are naturally discriminatory, what differs is the degree and this difference is based on the value the next party proffers.

Once upon a time when Timbuktu was center of world learning and civilization, then Europe didn't know how to make soap.

Once upon Timbuktu house the biggest library in the world and was center of learning.

Once upon a time blacks ruled Spain for 800 years.

African can still get it right, we just need to understand how things work.

We have all the natural resources to become world power. It's just the intellectuals to harness these resources



Europe and America never believed China would rise like this. Chinese believe in their own way of doing things. They don't practice European democracy nonsense they don't worship white Jesus

What did China do. China offered the world cheaper quality goods and services.

What can Africa do. Control all your resources. Nigeria has the numbers to achieve what China has achieve.

We must stop importing things and start producing what we consume. Let it be illegal for a Nigerian to buy any other car than innoson. Every Nigerian must use it. Do you know the ripple effect of that.

Our leaders are the problem and it's a systematic thing.

All African nation's government do the same thing. Our complain in Nigeria is the same in Ghana etc

Why was gadaffi killed one of the reasons was he came up with the idea to stop trading crude oil in dollars

Africans need to stop storing our reserves in dollars and store our reserves in gold and silver that is real money. We are the ones giving American dollars it's value yet they treat us like shit. They print paper call it Money and give you and you pay with interest

American dollars has lost 95% of it's purchasing power yet we are still keeping it. Y?

So many countries has started to abandon dollars

China is storing gold like crazy because they know American dollars is crashing very soon.

Africa has gold true money how many gold reserves do we have.

Dangrace01:
Once upon a time when Timbuktu was center of world learning and civilization, then Europe didn't know how to make soap.

Once upon Timbuktu house the biggest library in the world and was center of learning.

Once upon a time blacks ruled Spain for 800 years.

African can still get it right, we just need to understand how things work.

We have all the natural resources to become world power. It's just the intellectuals to harness these resources



Europe and America never believed China would rise like this. Chinese believe in their own way of doing things. They don't practice European democracy nonsense they don't worship white Jesus

What did China do. China offered the world cheaper quality goods and services.

What can Africa do. Control all your resources. Nigeria has the numbers to achieve what China has achieve.

We must stop importing things and start producing what we consume. Let it be illegal for a Nigerian to buy any other car than innoson. Every Nigerian must use it. Do you know the ripple effect of that.

Our leaders are the problem and it's a systematic thing.

All African nation's government do the same thing. Our complain in Nigeria is the same in Ghana etc

Why was gadaffi killed one of the reasons was he came up with the idea to stop trading crude oil in dollars

Africans need to stop storing our reserves in dollars and store our reserves in gold and silver that is real money. We are the ones giving American dollars it's value yet they treat us like shit. They print paper call it Money and give you and you pay with interest

American dollars has lost 95% of it's purchasing power yet we are still keeping it. Y?

So many countries has started to abandon dollars

China is storing gold like crazy because they know American dollars is crashing very soon.

Africa has gold true money how many gold reserves do we have.

If you are given an innosson you go take am. Besides how many Nigerians can afford an innosson?

tensazangetsu20:

If you are given an innosson you go take am. Besides how many Nigerians can afford an innosson?

That's where government comes in, make it affordable for all Nigerians and make it a must.

If Americans didn't buy Ford cars would you hear Ford today. African must rise the only way is to patronize our own products.

I would take innoson bro

Gerrard59:


You made excellent points but judging from how the Chinese are retaliating and how there is or seems to be respect for other races compared to blacks across the world (I am concerned with the outlook across the world), I believe we need to be rich and this will be achieved when the dominant environment is rich. I see it (being rich) as the only way to gain respect as humans respect those who are powerful (wealth begets power). Using the Igbo case study, they were almost obliterated from the face of the earth but they embraced and practiced extreme capitalism. As a result, they are respected not necessarily liked. I believe the best way to shut someone and shame them for their actions is by calling the person's bluff. Unfortunately, a poor person cannot do this as there is no power.

I honestly kept my fingers from typing a reply but since you mentioned me, why not? How and what are the Chinese retaliating? Historic Anti -Asian Racism they suffered? Even when Huawei was accused of spying Americans with the sanctions we didnt hear of cases of Anti-Asian racism in America well until Covid's advent.

Let's even assume this warped idea of Africa being rich will solve AA racism in America, in the long run everybody cannot be rich so someone else or continent will be poor - should we then accept Anti-whatever continent racism? when that happens? Does that show logic or solution?.
You keep making unfounded examples - The igbos. How did they suffer racism or tribalism (asides the recent python dances)They wanted out, they had their fair and equal share in war (civil) and lost. What is your point really? That they are respected now because they are mostly into business and have money? How are they living now different from how they lived pre civil war. The igbos were still rich and respected even pre civil war.
Boss please dont digress unnecessarily by citing irrelevant examples.

Gerrard59:

As a black person, I feel pain when I see racial discrimination and hatred against our people anywhere in the world, however, we cannot fight back as we have no power and this is because we are poor. Unfortunately, there has been no economic growth in two of the biggest black dominated countries and the train seems to be leaving us as after this pandemic, everyone go retreat from globalisation and answer their fathers' names. Going forward, countries or I dare say races will become very nationalistic and selfish. It is time we start trading and doing things amongst ourselves to spur economic growth. There just has to be a concerted effort somehow as we now have two mammoths besides us (China/other Asians and the West)

I have asked and keep asking for facts, dates and links when you claimed that that other nationals (especially Asians) left America en masse to develop their continent when they faced Anti-Asian Racism in 1800 to pre ww2 You haven't provided but yet you throw your weight behind "your postulation" that is for Anti-Black Racism to end, AAs to must migrate back to Africa or the one about African race needing to become rich.

Boss, History, not your theories remains our teacher. When Chinese and Jap immigrants in America suffered Anti-Asian Racism in America, Asian was doing fine economically. China was still a major supplier of Silver to America and tea to Briton during the old china trade in 1700s. And even exporting porcelain to the rest of the world. In fact the US had a hefty trade deal with China. Will you call that a poor economy or continent?
Or you think Japan who was the first non western great power with textile and mining industries were doing badly?
Why else was there still Anti-Asian Racism in America in those years ?
Now I put my argument to you giving you examples in history where RACISM abound despite economic, continental and RACE "RICHNESS" of the targets.
Where did you get your theories from?

Gerrard59:

Regarding AAs relocating to Africa, that is very possible as modern genetics can aid in the process of knowing one's origins. Also, with a rich Africa, one can alternatively choose any country of choice and live there. An instance is this AA family relocating to Botswana: https://www.aainafrica.com/blog/paula-in-botswana
(a program explaining why some AAs are moving in droves to Africa)

You now bring an example of one family who we have no history of that relocated to Botswana to invest and start a business - you think its everyone who has business acumen? People depend and will forever work for people.
How many people in Nigeria (if you are here) have you even convinced to start a business but you want all AAs in America to quickly key into the AAs that went to Botswana

As for the youtube video, I hope you know that lady Kaylan Reid Shipanga is barely even a first generation African American, she has African parents (Kwame and Efua Atta) typical Ghanaian people who even ran a business in Ghana and had been to Africa numerous times in her childhood with her Parents.
You compare her to deep rooted ethnic African Americans? Talmbout your modern genetics. Lol.

Boss! The solution to Anti-Black Racism in America is and would never be the RICHNESS OF BLACK RACE or development of Africa. They are two different problems with no connect. Give more points. History does not agree!

ednut1:
different history. Chinese and arabs were not slaves for 400 years like black Americans. How can blacks be rich when its a whites man's world

there are so many people who have had it worse,when you talk of slavery in this day, its partly due to the fact that we haven't lived up to our potentials, the Jews suffered more damaging discrimination but today they are Jews are some of the most successful people on earth and when they talk about the Holocaust,it from a historical perspective, but when blacks talk about slavery and colonialism, its like we have found an excuse for our collective failure,you say it is a white man's world but some of the world's largest economies are in asia, while the Arabs are making use of their resources in building nice cities,everything the op said is true,we can be better as a nation a continent,and a race.

annex1:
Racism or profiling has nothing to do with wealth.

Kanye west said this
"You see its broke nigga racism, that's that - Dont touch anything in the store"
"You see its rich nigga racism, that's that - Come back please buy more"

Needing the money and nothing more.

Christian Cooper who was potentially accused by a white woman who instantly knew to evoke centuries of caste privilege as a white woman and endanger the life of a black man is a Havard graduate who has worked as a comic writer and editor for Marvel. Nope doesnt sound like a poor individual.

There is also a footage of Florida’s only Black state attorney Aramis Ayala being pulled over by police for no reason because she was racially profiled.

Also realise there is anti-black racism, anti-asian racism and anti-Arab racism. Yet, historically, it’s black people who have most often found themselves at the bottom of the pile - maybe because of the days of massa and picking cotton on plantations.

In Brazil, black people (not immigrants but black brazilians) are treated as second class citizens.
Also in India, students of african descents are also persecuted.

According to the UK government’s race disparity audit, relative to whites and Asians, black defendants at crown court were the most likely to be remanded in custody. Between 2017 and 2018, black people in Britain were approximately 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police than white people were, and three times more likely than Asians. (That is from the guardian no be me talk am)

I also wish to not remind you that black Americans from various economic classes in America having also American passports are at the receiving ends of racism and police brutality.

If you have a black skin, you are not racially abused because your social status is lower cadre or from a poor country. Nobody knows this until you are spoken to. YOU ARE RACIALLY ABUSED BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR!

So except you are a very rich and popular black person which I'm sure you know all cannot be, expect good reception, politeness from people prolly because of your money. But like I said, racism has nothing to do with wealth.

I believe the op countered your argument when he said that for blacks to gain respect a minority of the population need to rise above poverty, he also made reference to Botswana having a better economic stats to Brazil,but Brazil gets more respect in the global community.

Shattuck:
I believe the op countered your argument when he said that for blacks to gain respect a minority of the population need to rise above poverty, he also made reference to Botswana having a better economic stats to Brazil,but Brazil gets more respect in the global community.

African American poverty rate is 20% while Native Americans have 25.4% with Hispanics at 17.6%
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts

Yet we see Native Americans enjoying peace with the police and dont end up being treated with contempt unlike AAs.
Can you provide me one single case of Racism where wealth exacerbated it.
The Jews have always been hardworking and wealthy yet endured anti semitism (racism) even in America.And no holocaust denials as 96% of Americans are aware of the facts of the Holocaust. Yet Antisemitism abound. How did the wealth help?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_United_States

Armenians had lived in Turkey and achieved status and wealth in the Ottoman Empire, as a community but they were never accorded more than "second-class citizen".
By 1915 over 2 million were massacred in the Armenian genocide.
Again I ask, how did their wealth save them?

Please point me to any repository and instance where the wealth of a people's race or ethnicity saved them from already established Racism.
European Americans have also experienced racism is America. Has Europe ever been poor?

Racism is pure hate. No matter how rich you are, you are not wanted. You are to be prejudiced. Never to be seen as "entirely equal" That is what AAs face.
Discuss the importance of development of Africa but dont suggest it as a panacea for Anti - Black Racism in America.

annex1:


African American poverty rate is 20% while Native Americans have 25.4% with Hispanics at 17.6%
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts

Yet we see Native Americans enjoying peace with the police and dont end up being treated with contempt unlike AAs.
Can you provide me one single case of Racism where wealth exacerbated it.
The Jews have always been hardworking and wealthy yet endured anti semitism (racism) even in America.And no holocaust denials as 96% of Americans are aware of the facts of the Holocaust. Yet Antisemitism abound. How did the wealth help?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_United_States

Armenians had lived in Turkey and achieved status and wealth in the Ottoman Empire, as a community but they were never accorded more than "second-class citizen".
By 1915 over 2 million were massacred in the Armenian genocide.
Again I ask, how did their wealth save them?

Please point me to any repository and instance where the wealth of a people's race or ethnicity saved them from already established Racism.
European Americans have also experienced racism is America. Has Europe ever been poor?

Racism is pure hate. No matter how rich you are, you are not wanted. You are to be prejudiced. Never to be seen as "entirely equal" That is what AAs face.
Discuss the importance of development of Africa but dont suggest it as a panacea for Anti - Black Racism in America.

I get your point but people hate for different reasons some just by the colour of your skin others based on other factors,I think building a developed continent will go a long way in reducing discrimination against blacks,yes it may not completely eradicate racism but it will greatly improve our image and we get a developed society which is a win win.

Shattuck:
I get your point but people hate for different reasons some just by the colour of your skin others based on other factors,I think building a developed continent will go a long way in reducing discrimination against blacks,yes it may not completely eradicate racism but it will greatly improve our image and we get a developed society which is a win win.

When and where have people been shown extreme Racism because their race / people is generally poor? As in the case of Africans that you speak of. I know of religion, I know skin color, taking up all the jobs etc as reason but poverty? Provide a link I'll love to be educated.

Building a developed African continent is primarily Africans in Africa's business and how doing so will command respect for them, and it is a welcome idea.

But it has no relation whatsoever to the struggles and the Anti-Black Racism AAs in the united states undergo. They have contributed equally to the development of America as a country and continent as any other race in the United States has and so they must reap.

annex1:

When and where have people been shown extreme Racism because their race / people is generally poor? As in the case of Africans that you speak of. I know of religion, I know skin color, taking up all the jobs etc as reason but poverty? Provide a link I'll love to be educated.

Building a developed African continent is primarily Africans in Africa's business and how doing so will command respect for them, and it is a welcome idea.

But it has no relation whatsoever to the struggles and the Anti-Black Racism AAs in the united states undergo. They have contributed equally to the development of America as a country and continent as any other race in the United States has and so they must reap.

I am not just talking about African Americans in America but also about other blacks like the Africans who were discriminated in China recently,I get the fact that the African American struggle in America is different from other discrimination blacks face,but we if we as a continent grow to become developed I believe it will provide a positive collective image

Shattuck:
I am not just talking about African Americans in America but also about other blacks like the Africans who were discriminated in China recently,I get the fact that the African American struggle in America is different from other discrimination blacks face,but we if we as a continent grow to become developed I believe it will provide a positive collective image

Did you read the original article and how he cited the most recent racial abuses of AAs in America in first few paragraphs? Advise the Boss Gerrard to re-dissect his opinions and create seperate threads accordingly for what Africans face abroad and what AAs face in America. That is if you speak for him.

I cant comment on incidences regarding sufferings of Nigerians in China, Italy or indonesia for example because I dont have the facts or truth. Maybe in those cases, his "development of Africa and "RICHNESS" of Africans race" might be a solution.

But telling AAs who have God knows how many mixed Asian, European, American, Jamaican and African Genes in their geneology but just because their skins end up being and looking black to return to develop Africa to remedy Anti-Black Racism is absurd. People whose fore generation have owned properties and businesses for generations and generations in America who fought and died for Black American rights on American soil to return to Africa? My brother think again.

annex1:


Did you read the original article and how he cited the most recent racial abuses of AAs in America in first few paragraphs? Advise the Boss Gerrard to re-dissect his opinions and create seperate threads accordingly for what Africans face abroad and what AAs face in America. That is if you speak for him.

"Recently, three incidents which had black people as their victims have occurred in the US and the news with the aid of technology and social media has reverberated across the world. Solidarity marches, rallies, protests, tweets and posts have been done in support of these individuals. One of the perpetrators even lost her job at a financial firm. Well, people term it racism which is a form of discrimination and these acts are condemnable. However, they are not new and neither would they reduce drastically if the black race remains poor. Yes, the premise of my argument is that black people are being racially discriminated across the world (Brazil, Libya, UAE, Germany, China etc.) because we are poor".

I started with those recent incidents as examples not necessarily as the standard. Basically, due to their magnitude, how recent they are and despicable nature compared to others. Besides, in my first paragraph, I mentioned other places where blacks are racially discriminated.

But telling AAs who have God knows how many mixed Asian, European, American, Jamaican and African Genes in their geneology but just because their skins end up being and looking black to return to develop Africa to remedy Anti-Black Racism is absurd. People whose fore generation have owned properties and businesses for generations and generations in America who fought and died for Black American rights on American soil to return to Africa? My brother think again.

I never suggested AAs should develop Africa (that is the responsibility of Africans). However, I stated that the dominant home of black people - Africa - should be economically powerful to drastically reduce not eradicate racial discrimination of black people across the world. That has been my stance right from the start.

That said, we seem to diverge on two important aspects;

1 - You believe my post is solely about AAs, well, it is not. It is about the race as whole not a sub-set. Examples abound of black people being racially discriminated from India, Italy, China, Libya. UAE etc.

2. You seem to have the belief that humans aren't discriminatory in nature. Well, I don't believe so as humans are different and unique so therefore expecting people to behave altruistic or to an expected standard is unrealistic.

We agree to disagree.

At this point, I wish to mention three Nlders to do justice to the topic. I believe this matter concerns us one way or the other and by proffering tangible/constructive solutions and reasons (against or for) on the topic, readers can better understand the issue. I and many others who will read this are willing to learn.

cc: Madridsta007, Areafada2 and Abbey621.

Here's my observation and analysis. Can you name the richest nation on earth? You'll be shocked to know it is not a country where the primary ethnicity is white. Money can only get you so far and to think African countries are not rich is just a fallacy. Nigeria, South Africa and even Egypt are richer than countries like Denmark, Vietnam, Serbia, Greece and many more but you won't know this due to corrupt leaders and wastage. We as Africans are very wasteful people, most of our budgets are spent on recurring expenditures, we earmark Billions for a particular strtch of road and 2 to 4 years later we allocate the same for the same road. We build refinieries but they are not functional, Nigeria produces crude oil but must pay outside countries to refine it for us. We import everything from matches to tomato paste and rice.

When you calculate the amount of money recovered from Abacha's loot alone, it is enough to develop half the country fully but guess what, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! We vote in clueless and wicked leaders yet we raise our eyebrows when a black man is treated wickedly by a person of another color? Your own compatriot is robbing you blind yet you are more worrried about people on the other side.

Back to reality, the issue of racism is beyond money, in the USA we have more white people on food stamps and welfare than blacks, we have more white people living a wretched life than blacks but you won't know unless you look deep. MONEY is good but MINDSET is even better! Black Americans and blacks all over the world must see the light, we must realize knowledge is power and when you have that power silently take over things, learn how to acquire properties, how to move up within a company or create one of your own. Racism will never end, it is a constant like sunrise and sunset but what can be changed is our own mindset, the ones that are wich or financially okay among us should support those struggling, let's learn from the Jews, after the Holocaust, they tightened their belts and came toghether. From destruction to resurrection, there's nothing stopping us from doing the same if only we can learn to love one another. Like someone said earlier, THE BLACK MAN'S BIGGEST ENEMY IS THE BLACK MAN!

Like someone earlier commented, what does Africa bring to the table? We bring nothing to the table because we are beggars, we beg for everything from them. This Covid-19 should be an eye opener on where we stand in the world, while every country was fighting the virus with all they had, when the virus hit home, what did the most populous black country in the world result to? BEGGING!

See, for us to gain respect and prestige in the world as blacks, we need to be rich, forget all the vocabulary. How did the Jews metamorphosed from being extinct to being the most influential in finance? Jews today are being recognized for their financial prowess not for what happened in the past.

There was a tweet last year from a dude in Ireland, he said and i quote " what does Africa bring to the world other than HIV/AIDS"? People were mad and started basting him, isn't that the truth? what do we bring? nothing, absolutely nothing. Our continent has the richest mineral resources in the world but we are so blind to it. Ask yourselves, why did the french, Americans, British, Belgians and now Chinese seeing in the continent that we do not see. When we start producing and less importing and not lean on the caucasians, that is when we start to garner respect.

abbey621:
We as Africans are very wasteful people, most of our budgets are spent on recurring expenditures, we earmark Billions for a particular strtch of road and 2 to 4 years later we allocate the same for the same road. We build refinieries but they are not functional, Nigeria produces crude oil but must pay outside countries to refine it for us. We import everything from matches to tomato paste and rice.

When you calculate the amount of money recovered from Abacha's loot alone, it is enough to develop half the country fully but guess what, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! We vote in clueless and wicked leaders yet we raise our eyebrows when a black man is treated wickedly by a person of another color? Your own compatriot is robbing you blind yet you are more worrried about people on the other side.

Back to reality, the issue of racism is beyond money, in the USA we have more white people on food stamps and welfare than blacks, we have more white people living a wretched life than blacks but you won't know unless you look deep. MONEY is good but MINDSET is even better! Black Americans and blacks all over the world must see the light, we must realize knowledge is power and when you have that power silently take over things, learn how to acquire properties, how to move up within a company or create one of your own. Racism will never end, it is a constant like sunrise and sunset but what can be changed is our own mindset, the ones that are wich or financially okay among us should support those struggling, let's learn from the Jews, after the Holocaust, they tightened their belts and came toghether. From destruction to resurrection, there's nothing stopping us from doing the same if only we can learn to love one another. Like someone said earlier, THE BLACK MAN'S BIGGEST ENEMY IS THE BLACK MAN!

You have said it all, look at the Mexicans, the Latinos, the Chinese, the Indians. We are so blinded by the hate for each other. You are so right and it is disgustingly sad.

Drenimarcus:




You have said it all, look at the Mexicans, the Latinos, the Chinese, the Indians. We are so blinded by the hate for each other. You are so right and it is disgustingly sad.

Hopefully we can teach our kids to do better and hope that their kids would unite the black race.....Our own generation is already far gone especially Nigeria.

Here is a typical example, a man comes to your house to beg each time and you give him every time he asks. One, he has lost his respect in your eyes because he brings nothing to your table other his begi begi. Now picture him with 2/3 kids, what comes to your mind when you see his kids? Begi Begi children, those children will never gain respect in your eyes because their father brings nothing to your table.

Dangote and Otedola respect each other because they both bring something to each other table. let one of them go poor(God forbid) and watch how he loses respect.

We need to wake up and leave past behind and tighten the Bleep off our belts like the Chinese and the Jews did.

abbey621:


Hopefully we can teach our kids to do better and hope that their kids would unite the black race.....Our own generation is already far gone especially Nigeria.

We can only hope but with this new generations being exposed to Big Brother Naija and the likes? I just hope.

This says it all.

Gerrard59:
At this point, I wish to mention three Nlders to do justice to the topic. I believe this matter concerns us one way or the other and by proffering tangible/constructive solutions and reasons (against or for) on the topic, readers can better understand the issue. I and many others who will read this are willing to learn.

cc: Madridsta007, Areafada2 and Abbey621.

Chief, you want these respectable MODs to block me?
They've done that a few times already.

As for the topic, while I respect the opinions here, I daresay, many are postulations born of romaticised opinions and not necessarily facts. Summarily, I would argue that the black race being richer (and I think we have to define what the "Black Race" is) may not have impact in respectability we expect in the eyes of racists. Afterall, there are black millionnaires in the entertainment, art and science fields in the US; racism, real and perceived, appears to be growing in the US. Harvard, MIT, Cornell, etc, those predominately white spaces and corridors in the US is awash with diversity, in comparison to what was obtainable decades ago. Yet Floyd happened.
What African Americans need is a strong black monolith nation that can speak for them and earn the respect of whites. Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X recognised this, esepcially after their visits and tours to Africa. A serious Nigeria should have been this nation.
Let me not talk too much before I am banned again.

madridsta007:


Chief, you want these respectable MODs to block me?
They've done that a few times already.

As for the topic, while I respect the opinions here, I daresay, many are postulations born of romaticised opinions and not necessarily facts. Summarily, I would argue that the black race being richer (and I think we have to define what the "Black Race" is) may not have impact in respectability we expect in the eyes of racists. Afterall, there are black millionnaires in the entertainment, art and science fields in the US; racism, real and perceived, appears to be growing in the US. Harvard, MIT, Cornell, etc, those predominately white spaces and corridors in the US is awash with diversity, in comparison to what was obtainable decades ago. Yet Floyd happened.
What African Americans need is a strong black monolith nation that can speak for them and earn the respect of whites. Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X recognised this, esepcially after their visits and tours to Africa. A serious Nigeria should have been this nation.
Let me not talk too much before I am banned again.

You were on the right path till you mentioned Nigeria...lol. Nigeria was and can never be a unifier. Look at us, 250 different ethnic groups, zero PATRIOTS! Abeg let's try Jamaica or another country with a unified voice.

abbey621:


You were on the right path till you mentioned Nigeria...lol. Nigeria was and can never be a unifier. Look at us, 250 different ethnic groups, zero PATRIOTS! Abeg let's try Jamaica or another country with a unified voice.

many of those ethnic groups came from no more than 5 tribes. Thr black man is averse to unity. Even inside tribes some still moved to form new towns. Chai

annex1:


Did you read the original article and how he cited the most recent racial abuses of AAs in America in first few paragraphs? Advise the Boss Gerrard to re-dissect his opinions and create seperate threads accordingly for what Africans face abroad and what AAs face in America. That is if you speak for him.

I cant comment on incidences regarding sufferings of Nigerians in China, Italy or indonesia for example because I dont have the facts or truth. Maybe in those cases, his "development of Africa and "RICHNESS" of Africans race" might be a solution.

But telling AAs who have God knows how many mixed Asian, European, American, Jamaican and African Genes in their geneology but just because their skins end up being and looking black to return to develop Africa to remedy Anti-Black Racism is absurd. People whose fore generation have owned properties and businesses for generations and generations in America who fought and died for Black American rights on American soil to return to Africa? My brother think again.

I understand your argument.

Gerrard59:
At this point, I wish to mention three Nlders to do justice to the topic. I believe this matter concerns us one way or the other and by proffering tangible/constructive solutions and reasons (against or for) on the topic, readers can better understand the issue. I and many others who will read this are willing to learn.

cc: Madridsta007, Areafada2 and Abbey621.

By Lord Lugard:



""In character and temperament" wrote Lord Lugard, "the
typical African of this race-type is a happy,
thriftless, excitable person. Lacking in self control,
discipline, and foresight. Naturally courageous, and
naturally courteous and polite, full of personal vanity, with
little sense of veracity, fond of music and loving
weapons as an oriental loves jewelry. His thoughts are
concentrated on the events and feelings of the moment,
and he suffers little from the apprehension for the
future, or grief for the past.



His mind is far nearer to
the animal world than the that of the European or
Asiatic, and exhibits something of the animals placidity
and want of desire to rise beyond the State he has
reached. Through the ages the African appears to have
evolved no organized religious creed, and though some
tribes appear to believe in a deity, the religious sense
seldom rises above pantheistic animalism and seems more
often to take the form of a vague dread of the
supernatural".

He lacks the power of organization, and is
conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of
men or business. He loves the display of power, but
fails to realize its responsibility ....he will work
hard with a less incentive than most races. He has the
courage of the fighting animal -an instinct rather than
a moral virtue......In brief, the virtues and defects
of this race-type are those of attractive children,
whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as
to an older and wiser superior and without
envy.......Perhaps the two traits which have impressed me as
those most characteristic of the African native are his
lack of apprehension and his ability to visualize the
future"

Pg 70 of The Dual Mandate by F. D. Lugard 1926


The characteristics noted by lugard are still happening today. The black race everywhere have no unity or ability to think about the future. After all the neo colonialism(imf loans, cia interference and western manipulations) , african nations have still gone to enter China loan trap. Just take a look at Liberia where some African Americans slaves were resettled. They began to discriminate against the indigenes and we all saw the wars that became of it. Even in the USA once black Americans hear your have an African name they begin to discriminate against africans. All over the world black nations in african and those of majority slave descendants (Jamaica, haiti and others) are suffering from same thing. As far as am concerned the black race does not have the capacity or drive to be rich or make an impact