Abbeybailey:
Trump better do that now because he will be defeated in Nov. He's been in office almost 4 years and Hillary is still out enjoying her freedom. Trump is the one who have to worry about going to jail when his term expired on Jan 20.

True, Hillary Clinton is very free citizen, nothing about the 'lock her up' anymore. Trump will be the one to be very careful whenever he leaves office.

Abbeybailey:
... He's been in office almost 4 years and Hillary is still out enjoying her freedom.

I agree with you on these points.

feedthenation:


True, Hillary Clinton is very free citizen, nothing about the 'lock her up' anymore. Trump will be the one to be very careful whenever he leaves office.

I don't know the kind of Orange Kool Aid Trump gives to his cult followers. It seems they will follow him to the grave like the followers of Rev Jim Jones of Guyana fame. Never seen so many sheeps like them in my life. Hillary is walking around free and they are still shouting about Hillary going to jail. What's is trump and Barr doing in almost four years not putting Hillary in jail. You have to question their sanity.

Amujale:


I agree with you on these points.

Tell Trump to lock Hillary up. The last I checked, Hillary still live in New York.

Amujale:


Not really.

There needs to be a thorough and impartial investigation regarding these incidents of deleting 30,000 emails.

Noone is meant to be above the law.

Is there an ongoing investigation on this issue, because, as far as I found, this has been concluded.

There's even some, including myself, who are of the opinion that an investigation into this issue, after which it was "recommended that no charges be filed", lost her the election.

Abbeybailey:
....Trump is the one who have to worry about going to jail when his term expired on Jan 20.

Why is that? What for?

feedthenation:


True, Hillary Clinton is very free citizen, nothing about the 'lock her up' anymore. Trump will be the one to be very careful whenever he leaves office.

Biden said couple weeks ago he won't pardon Trump like Gerald Ford parading Dick Nixon. NY State will go after Trump big time as soon as his presidency ends on Jan 20.

Amujale:


Why is that? What for?

Tax evasion in New York, the charities Fraud which he had to pay $2 million to settle and the Trump University in which he had to pay over $25million to settle.

budaatum:

Is there an ongoing investigation on this issue, because, as far as I found, this has been concluded.

Yes, there are ongoing investigations.

HIillary is part of the swamp that Trump came into office to drain.

Abbeybailey:
Tax evasion in New York, the charities Fraud which he had to pay $2 million to settle and the Trump University in which he had to pay over $25million to settle.

Ok.

Amujale:


Ok.

Google it my friend and call me out if i am wrong and will apologize to you.

Amujale:


Yes, there are ongoing investigations.

I am very certain you are aware of my inability to believe.

Please provide some evidence for your claim.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/hillary-clinton-justice-department-investigation-results

budaatum:

You would need to provide evidence for this, as Trump hasn't even pardoned a tenth of the people Obama pardoned, and Obama could not possible have not pardoned a proportional number of blacks.

Eventhough i dont intend to turn this into a Trump vs Obama thing, hence i stated than any former presidency.

Firstly, pardons are different from commutations.

Trump has pardoned more blacks than Obama did during his first office and possibly overall.

Amujale:


Eventhough i dont intend to turn this into a Trump vs Obama thing, hence i stated than any former presidency.

Firstly, pardons are different from commutations.

Trump has pardoned more blacks than Obama did during his first office and possibly overall.

Evidence please, because the facts I've seen do not agree with what you claim here.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump?wprov=sfla1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barack_Obama?wprov=sfla1

budaatum:

You would need to provide evidence for this, as Trump hasn't even pardoned a tenth of the people Obama pardoned, and Obama could not possible have not pardoned a proportional number of blacks.

As for the rest of your claims, you really need to look beyond what Trump wants you to believe, to start with, and perhaps take current evidence into consideration.

The Facebook post is fake News.

www.polifact.com.

Politifact rates the post "mostly false"

The claim that Obama: 1,927, Trump 26 is false.

The number for Obama is the total acts of clemency for all his terms in office - pardons plus sentence commutations. But only about 11% of those was pardons.

Furthermore,

ℹObama issued many more pardons and sentence commutations than Trump, largely in his second term.

ℹObama followed a clemency policy aimed at relativeky low-level offenders and relied on Justice Department recommendations.

ℹTrump has largely acted outside the normal review process, most recently giving clemency to high-profile. i.e General Flynn

ℹTrump had at the time taken 35 clemency actions more than cited in the facebook post. Roughly two-thirds of them was pardons, including two posthumous ones.

budaatum:

Evidence please, because the facts I've seen do not agree with what you claim here.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump?wprov=sfla1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barack_Obama?wprov=sfla1

Commutations arent pardons.


www.clearupmyrecord.com/pardon-vs-clemency.php

I don't think you read what I posted, because it was not facebook, and said the facebook claim was false!

Amujale:


The Facebook post is fake News.

www.polifact.com.

Politifact rates the post "mostly false"

The claim that Obama: 1,927, Trump 26 is false.

The number for Obama is the total acts of clemency for all his terms in office - pardons plus sentence commutations. But only about 11% of those was pardons.

Furthermore,

ℹObama issued many more pardons and sentence commutations than Trump, largely in his second term.

ℹObama followed a clemency policy aimed at relativeky low-level offenders and relied on Justice Department recommendations.

ℹTrump has largely acted outside the normal review process, most recently giving clemency to high-profile. i.e General Flynn

ℹTrump had at the time taken 35 clemency actions more than cited in the facebook post. Roughly two-thirds of them was pardons, including two posthumous ones.

Amujale:


Commutations arent pardons.

First, I am aware that you and I, despite our differences in the past, maintain some sort of respect and regard for one another, which makes me regard you even more despite our differences, but I suspect you are not reading what I post, and I find that insulting and a waste of my time.

Please confirm that Trump has not pardoned as many as the 212 that Obama pardoned.

budaatum:
I don't think you read what I posted, because it was not facebook, and said the facebook claim was false!

My response was to this post.

That Facebook post is false.

hotwax:


This person opening this thread and his zombirudeen counterparts feed from Communist News Network.

They don't know what you wrote up there.

The agenda of liberal, CNN and one world order is to have a socialist/Communist America like China or Russia where there won't be change of government and whoever is ruling has all the power like Putin and President Xi of china.

They public campaign for socialism in Democrats conventions.

They are tired of democracy. The want total rule. The only stumbling block on their way is Trump

You mean to say if Hillary Clinton had triumphed over Trump. It could have been a successful agenda?!

budaatum:

First, I am aware that you and I, despite our differences in the past, maintain some sort of respect and regard for one another, which makes me regard you even more despite our differences, but I suspect you are not reading what I post, and I find that insulting and a waste of my time.

Please confirm that Trump has not pardoned as many as the 212 that Obama pardoned.

Amujale:

ℹThe president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison.
Its important to note that the pardon "is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime" and "is not a sign of vindication and does not connote or establish innocence."

One of his February 18 2020 pardon was for Angela Stanton who happens to now be running for election into US congress.

I never once said that Trump has pardoned more people than Obama.

What i clearly stated was that: "Trump is the president to use his powers to pardon the most African Americans from prison".

Amujale:


My response was to this post.

That Facebook post is false.

That's what the article I posted says! But it referred to the claim of "abuse of power" alledged for the number of people pardoned, and not whether the actual figures were false.

Please read the article if you wish to continue this. I have provided numerous sources for the actual figures.

Amujale:





I never once said that Trump has pardoned more people than Obama.

What i clearly stated was that: "Trump is the president to use his powers to pardon the most African Americans from prison".

You have not provided one single piece of evidence for this claim.

And I am telling you that since Trump has not pardoned a tenth of those Obama pardoned, and since Obama could not possibly have only pardoned whites, it's highly unlikely your claim could be true. However, please educate me with facts.

budaatum:

That's what the article I posted says! But it referred to the claim of "abuse of power" alledged for the number of people pardoned, and not whether the actual figures were false.

Please read the article if you wish to continue this. I have provided numerous sources for the actual figures.

You point out the false abuse of power, i point out that the figures are inflated, what is your point?

Are you saying that Trump hasnt pardoned the most African Americans in his first term?

Amujale:


You point out the false abuse of power, i point out that the figures are inflated, what is your point?

Are you saying that Trump hasnt pardoned the most African Americans in his first term?

Yes, I am saying "Trump hasn't pardoned the most African Americans in his first term". (The struckout bit is an irrelevant addition and implies a comparison of first terms which was never made in your initial statement!)

And I am not pointing out the abuse of power! Its just a part of an article that points out the number of people pardoned.

Please provide uninflated figures for those pardoned by Obama and Trump, since you must have them to make the claim you made.

budaatum:

Yes, I am saying "Trump hasn't pardoned the most African Americans in his first term". (The struckout bit is an irrelevant addition and implies a comparison of first terms which was never made in your initial statement!)

Please provide uninflated figures for those pardoned by Obama and Trump, since you must have them to make the claim you made.

I never mentioned anything about Obama.

Its you who wants to make it about Trump and Obama.

Amujale:
Trump is currently one of the best presidents for the African American community that they have ever had.

Amujale:


Before the global lockdown, he owned the best stats.

ℹThe highest employment rate.

ℹThe lowest poverty rate.

ℹThe highest job retention rate.

ℹThe quickest to respond to police brutality using his presidential authority.

ℹThe president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison.
Its important to note that the pardon "is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime" and "is not a sign of vindication and does not connote or establish innocence."

One of his February 18 2020 pardon was for Angela Stanton who happens to now be running for election into US congress.

Where did you see any mention of Obama?

Futuragetty:
with his erratic behaviours,Trump was never qualified to run for US president. I hope Americans gets him off the oval office, and restore sanity in US.

You can't determine an election by watch you see online.

Amujale:


I never mentioned anything about Obama.

Its you who wants to make it about Trump and Obama.

Where did you see any mention of Obama?

When a person says, "best president", and "The president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison", a 'comparison of Presidents is implied, and it would not be odd for a reasonable person to make such comparisons between the president you did mention and the immediate past president, unless your claim is now, "best president except President Obama"!

Amujale:
Trump is currently one of the best presidents for the African American community that they have ever had.

Amujale:

ℹThe president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison.

budaatum:

Yes, I am saying "Trump hasn't pardoned the most African Americans...

Here are list of the African Americans that has received a presidential pardon from the Trump presidency.

Angela Stanton
Ariel Freidler
Jack Johnson
John Bubala
Chalmer Lee Williams

Out of a current 35 in total; at a rate of 14%.

Show me the evidence of any former president that surpasses that.

Amujale:
Trump is currently one of the best presidents for the African American community that they have ever had.

That is based on facts.

Trump is the best president that the African American community has ever had.

budaatum:

When a person says, "best president", and "The president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison", a 'comparison of Presidents is implied, and it would not be odd for a reasonable person to make such comparisons between the president you did mention and the immediate past president, unless your claim is now, "best president except President Obama"!

Amujale:
Trump is currently one of the best presidents for the African American community that they have ever had.

That is based on facts.

Trump is the best president that the African American community has ever had, for the numerous reasons stated earlier.

Amujale:

That is based on facts.

Trump is the best president that the African American community has ever had, for the numerous reasons stated earlier.

It is your distaste for believing without evidence that makes me respect you, Amujale. buda must see with buda's own eyes before buda believes.

For the umpteenth time, please provide the evidence for your "facts" so I can see for myself and learn please instead of asking me to believe you like I'm some brainless individual and you are white man brainwashing me with assertions!