Snowale:
Not all university does it, I think BUK does it Sha, someone told me it's 2 years. True I'm not sure because, I haven't seen anyone does it. But, I'm sure it's possible

It's actually 3yrs part time for now.

Dannyfan:
I never said there's BPPD. I said awarding B.Pharm and Pharm.D might be integerated to be BPPD or any other format.
The two awards is like awarding two degrees at a go. How will it looks on the certificate? Will they issue two certificate?

Yes, they do issue two certificate

DOMINO001:


On behalf Loretta (Able Presidoo), I want to say thank you for your kind words. I am not the one anyways. I graduated from optometry uniben. We (optometry and pharmacy) did physiology and anatomy together. That's why I knew her personally. Your observations and submissions were spot on.
I wish you success in all your adventures in life. Cheers!

Thanks so much.
That's okay.

Greater impacts. �

Samgreguc:

Bro.. I work in a hospital and I assure u, what u are saying is fake.

In the hospital setting, only medical doctors and dentists are entitled to bear doctor. That any worker behaves anyhow or bears a doctor in the hospital doesn't mean it's proper. Nigerians condone a lot of unethical behaviour in Nigeria. We see it as a norm. It's totally wrong!

Samgreguc:

How do u mean endangering patients lives please?

pharmacists want to do ward round. With this Pharm.D, they'll claim they're medical doctors in the hospital. Most of them do it in their pharmaceutical shops, siting IV lines and treating patients as if they're medical doctors. Medical laboratory scientists are not left out too. They do uncountable tests and prescribe drugs. These are unethical.

BiggyB242:


Examination malpractice and is not like it happened that year the case was on for about 3 years. I just heard there is a new vc and he promise to call them all back. (pharmacy dept)

Ok

Period007:

Check the current HOD from University of Benin teaching Hospital

Didn't you see where it was shown as Pharm.D in bracket? It's unethical to write their qualifications in the hospital setting without properly indicating that it's Pharm.D. It would have been wrong if it was not indicated in bracket. Besides, it's only in writing; they don't bear it while at work in the hospital. It's appalling that Nigerians don't adhere to ethics, and nobody is punished for flouting it; that's why anybody who is not a medical doctor or dentist wants to be addressed as a doctor in the hospital. It's ok to write it and indicate it properly as Pharm.D, but it's wrong to answer it when people call him or her a doctor in the hospital.

Snowale:
Pharmacist is the specific name, just like surgeons, pathologist, Dentists, optometrist, otorhinolaryngologist, veterinarians etc. The are all Doctors. They can all be called doctor. But, a veterinarian would never risk doing the work of a Optometrist, while a pharmacist would never try doing the work of an ENT doctor.

They can all be called doctors, but in the hospital, only medical doctors and dentists are ethically permitted to bear it or answer to the title when he or she is called a doctor in the hospital. Outside of the hospital, others can answer to it when they're called doctors.

MrEgghead:
You're right.
When I was going through the list of interns for OAUTHC, even those that had pharmD and O.D were only addressed as Mr and Mrs.
it's for the sake of the gullible populace, even the so called graduates in Nigeria can be sometimes gullible.. That's why Ph.D is as irrelevant as p in psychology in hospital setting.

That's the problem in Nigeria. Everyone wants to be called a doctor in the hospital. This is wrong.

Snowale:
Just like a Dentist wouldn't do the work of a pathologist. Even though they are all Doctors.

You're funny. There are dentists who are consultant "ORAL and MAXILLOFACIAL" pathologists or simply oral pathologists, while a medical doctor colleague is a general pathologist. The difference is just the regions of the body they work on. Both of them passed through the same National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria or West African Medical College and were licensed as consultant pathologists. The general dentist is just the one who didn't specialize. There's even a specialty called general dentistry run as a residency now in the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria for those ones who wouldn't want to go deeper in their career. Oral cancer, jaw cancer, ameloblastoma (big benign tumor in the face and/or jaw) and other pathologies in the mouth, jaw and face are being diagnosed by oral pathologists, not general pathologists.

MrEgghead:
The job of a pharmacist is not to consult, diagnose and treat but they do that in disguise.

These days they even do that openly without qualms.
As a dentist you can interpret the work of a pathologist for diagnosis and treaatment...btwn a pathologist is a specialist.

There are dentists who are oral pathologists. There are dentists who are also oral and maxillofacial surgeons. There are also those ones who are consultants in oral medicine. These three do purely medical work. It's periodontists, orthodontists and paedodontists that do mainly dental work. There are even oral radiologists, prosthodontists and public health dentists too. They all undergo specialist residency training in hospitals to become consultants.

mannyiyke:
pharmacists want to do ward round. With this Pharm.D, they'll claim they're medical doctors in the hospital. Most of them do it in their pharmaceutical shops, siting IV lines and treating patients as if they're medical doctors. Medical laboratory scientists are not left out too. They do uncountable tests and prescribe drugs. These are unethical.

What is your problem if i may ask.
Outside the country that they have Pharm D etal why are they not complaining.
The truth is that, A good and well trained Pharmacist/MLSt know when to Refer a patient to see a Doctor.
Its not as if Doctors are Saints too in terms of Unethical behaviours.

Snowale:
You think after just 6 years in school, you know everything in all health fields and you can step into any of those fields.and come out successfully, pharmacy is too broad to be thinking about being a consultant, what's the big deal about being a consultant. When there are even better things a licensed pharmacist would do, that most consultants wished to do, I know doctors that come back for pharmacy and I know consultant that send their children to study pharmacy instead of M.bla bla bla.

I hope you won't talk about which is more lucrative, or which is paying more.
An average Doctor of Pharmacy gets more than an average of Doctor of medicine. And in terms of lucrativeness, LOL, we all know about the residency training, and how most of them later run abroad

Stop lying. How many pharmacists are richer than medical doctors? Besides, an optometrist isn't trained to do an eye surgery. He or she cannot do it. A nurse cannot do surgery too. Is it those pharmacists that roam the streets looking for jobs that you said that they're richer than doctors?

Snowale:
what distance are you referring to!!! They both spend 6 years in school, 1 year internship and 1 year service. What are you talking about? What qualifies an MBBS graduate to be called a given Doctors is the extra workload. A pharmacist also face similar stress and struggle in school.

Even abroad, a pharmacist can change the dosage and prescription. He reviews what the consultant demands. If a consultants already knows everything about a drug, why does he still needs to write to a pharmacist, why not get it himself, Because a pharmacist knows almost everything about drug, and he needs a pharmacist to reveiw his prescription if it's correct or wrong. You can't compare someone that studied pharmacology as a borrowed course in just one year, with someone that did it almost throughout his 6 years in school.

If a pharmacist can't be referred to as a doctor, the same should go with dentist, Vetenarians, pathologist, surgeons etc.

Pharmacology is not a borrowed course for medical students. Besides, it's not done for a year. It's much more than that. Also, pharmacy students don't do pharmacology throughout the six years. Doctors are better pharmacologists than pharmacists. During presentations, pharmacists who claimed to have studied pharmacology for years couldn't even defend themselves very well. Despite the Pharm.D, Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce drugs. They like titles.

Snowale:
So you think a pharmacist have no knowledge of pathology, you think all they do in 6 years is to cram names of drugs, without knowing the diseases it cures/treats. LOL, you did pathology as a borrowed for just a year and you think you are masters of pathology. Better search online about pharmacy syllabus and also search about consultant pharmacy, which is very common in US and UK.
LoL, most pharmacist wouldn't even think of being a consultant, when there are many better field one can venture in. You will find out the truth as time goes on.

And stop mentioning course to compare medicine and pharmacy, do you also do pharmacognosy. There are 6 departments under pharmacy, and you guys only does one, just like na pharmacistever did surgery. But, talking about pathology and pathophysiology, you must be joking. You think, all what a pharmacist knows is the names of drugs

pharmacists are not good at pathology. Besides, pharmacognosy originally came from botany. Why must a medical student do pharmacognosy? It's the main area of pharmacy, not medicine.

Snowale:
Doctor what!!! Seems you don't know why MBBS, Dentistry, Optometry, Vet. med, pharmacist graduates are awarded doctors, it's simple because if the extra work load and extra 2 years+ they spend in school.

Pathology is also a course offered by pharmacy students, and they do it as borrowed course just like you guys, but in 2 good years, unlike you guys. LOOL.
You think it's all about carrying big textbooks, who told you pharmacist don't but textbooks. Better try visiting a pharmacy school. You think pharmacy is easy. We do more of pathology than you guys, even those that do pathology the most ie medical scientists, they don't want on social media. Pharmacy is far broader than medicine, and it's not only limited to the hospital.

Like I said earlier. It's only an unoriented person that would see Medicine as a better course. Why most of you go into the course is because of the respect people gives to them, which they are now loosing. But, a lucky jambite that sees someone to orient him well about both courses would go for pharmacy. That's the fact, no one want to study six years in school, just to be limited to just hospital jobs or to be forced sit for several exams in order to travel abroad or be force to bribe with huge amount of money in order to get into the residency program, or be forced to get loan to build a hospital just to find out pharmacist and laboratories generates most of the money(who pays a consultant in nigeria for telling him his illness and writing drugs on paper) most later shut down the hospital which is very common, and many more.

A pharmacist would always be proud of his profession, while a medic most atimes proud of only the Dr. tag. Now a pharmacist have both. It's just a matter of time, because I know you are either an aspirant or a student, when the time comes you will understand.

medical laboratory science students do pathology more? You're funny! They just do the periphery.

Snowale:
Now since you have nothing to say, this is end of the argument.

when you graduate, you will see the truth for yourself, you will find out how lucrative and profiting pharmacy can be

Where have you seen pharmacy students do more pathology than medical students? Medical doctors are the real pathologists. If pharmacy students do more pathology, when will you study all those audio courses you enumerated?

Samgreguc:

A Pharmacist can diagnose when it comes to minor illnesses. Everyone can be consulted with respect to his or her field. Pharmacists know when to refer patients to be honest.

It's just that the country is been short changed so we think rubbish as d norm.

Stop saying what is not true. It's not a pharmacist's job to diagnose and treat. It's you pharmacists that practise rubbish as the norm.

Samgreguc:

Really?

U know u did more of pharmacodynamics Dan the pharmacist soaked in it.

is there any other way it's taught again other than in pharmacology? Besides, it's a doctor that attends to patients. So, in real life, he applies it more than pharmacists. He knows more about it than pharmacists.

Samgreguc:

Any pharmacy without a consulting room is not a Pharmacy.

then you're practising quackery.

arinzos:

What is your problem if i may ask.
Outside the country that they have Pharm D etal why are they not complaining.
The truth is that, A good and well trained Pharmacist/MLSt know when to Refer a patient to see a Doctor.
Its not as if Doctors are Saints too in terms of Unethical behaviours.

Everyone knows his or her job abroad, and other health professionals don't bear doctor in the hospitals there.

mannyiyke:
Everyone knows his or her job abroad, and other health professionals don't bear doctor in the hospitals there.

I don't Care sha...
Its not Like Bearing Doctor will make bags of money Appear in my House.
I am just tired of all these Arguments Everytime.
Everyone should be Satisfied with what a particular profession can Offer.if you are Not,by all Means, Change.

mannyiyke:
Pharmacology is not a borrowed course for medical students. Besides, it's not done for a year. It's much more than that. Also, pharmacy students don't do pharmacology throughout the six years. Doctors are better pharmacologists than pharmacists. During presentations, pharmacists who claimed to have studied pharmacology for years couldn't even defend themselves very well. Despite the Pharm.D, Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce drugs. They like titles.

Doctors that cannot treat their president(They are called Audio doctors)

mannyiyke:
In the hospital setting, only medical doctors and dentists are entitled to bear doctor. That any worker behaves anyhow or bears a doctor in the hospital doesn't mean it's proper. Nigerians condone a lot of unethical behaviour in Nigeria. We see it as a norm. It's totally wrong!

Chief, with due respect, this is not the same in many hospitals that i have been to. Or is it that those hospitals are ignorant of the norm as you make it to look. For instance in ABUTH optometrist interns are referred to as doctors both in official documents and in the clinical settings. The internship certificate signed by the CMAC is an example. This is from first hand experience in case you would like to know.
You can ask question to verify this.
Thanks.

DOMINO001:

Chief, with due respect, this is not the same in many hospitals that i have been to. Or is it that those hospitals are ignorant of the norm as you make it to look. For instance in ABUTH optometrist interns are referred to as doctors both in official documents and in the clinical settings. The internship certificate signed by the CMAC is an example. This is from first hand experience in case you would like to know.
You can ask question to verify this.
Thanks.

The truth is that optometrists can diagnose and treat some eye diseases. So, they're supposed to bear the title. However, they cannot bear the title in hospitals abroad. Anything is obtainable here shaa. But the truth is that optometrists are trained to consult, diagnose and treat unlike pharmacists.

Period007:

Doctors that cannot treat their president(They are called Audio doctors)

Who has been treating him in Nigeria since the pandemic? Why he usually travels abroad is because he didn't equip the hospitals here. The manpower is capable, but they work with obsolete equipment.

arinzos:

I don't Care sha...
Its not Like Bearing Doctor will make bags of money Appear in my House.
I am just tired of all these Arguments Everytime.
Everyone should be Satisfied with what a particular profession can Offer.if you are Not,by all Means, Change.

Let them be satisfied with what they can offer, instead of intruding into medicine.

mannyiyke:
Let them be satisfied with what they can offer, instead of intruding into medicine.

We all intrude jare.
Like i said, Nobody is a saint.
We are all Guilty of it.

arinzos:

We all intrude jare.
Like i said, Nobody is a saint.
We are all Guilty of it.

Doctors don't intrude.

mannyiyke:
Doctors don't intrude.

Keep Deceiving yourself, but i won't argue that with you.

mannyiyke:
Who has been treating him in Nigeria since the pandemic? Why he usually travels abroad is because he didn't equip the hospitals here. The manpower is capable, but they work with obsolete equipment.

Story
Go near him with ur stethoscope na....let's see if u wont be thrown to Kuje prison

arinzos:

Keep Deceiving yourself, but i won't argue that with you.

Explain how doctors intrude, please. To the best of my knowledge, no doctor has ever practised pharmacy, but pharmacists intrude into medicine, to the extent that they now have beds in their pharmaceutical shops where they treat patients as if they were doctors.