larride:


Atum is advising Africa through Otem.

The book is far too detailed and consistent to be fabricated by a human, no matter their level of intelligence.

And when you read the whole book with an open mind and study the Seriot language Otem says Atum revealed the book to him in, you'll realize a mortal man can't fabricate all those histories.

And the "all-knowing" tag is your own opinion.

Nowhere in the literature did Atum claim to know all things. The book describes the gods as human-like entities with much superior abilities and sense organs than humans, but not all-knowing entities.

It explains how those gods settled in different parts of this planet and created men (using various scientific techniques) for different purposes, such as worshipping them, mining solid minerals for them to develop other planets in space, using some for different experiments, etc.

The literature claims the gods (though a superior race) to humans (who are their creation) also have limited knowledge and intelligence about many aspects of life, but the gap between them and mankind is very wide.

Again, the traits of Jehovah, Allah, and Olohun (the indigenous god) show that those entities are great but have limitations in intelligence and knowledge. According to their holy book, Allah and Yahweh get angry, get jealous and insecure, curse unbelievers in them, and many other human-like traits showing they're not all-knowing.

Again, those are some proofs of Atum's claim in the book that all the gods (including him) are beings who're neither all-knowing nor omniscient.

larride:

Atum is advising Africa through Otem.

Yes, according to the literature, he was one of the early beings that founded Egypt and created the first set of humans in the country, along with Ra. The 2 are deities worshipped in the past in Egypt before their land got invaded by Arabs and Christians.

Otem's book explains how Atum and Ra taught Egyptians the precise mathematics used in constituting many pyramids in the country and other devices.

There are thousands of claims in the literature (some of which I can't say anything about their veracity), and there are also thousands of real historical facts there, supported by different pieces of evidence around, in history books, etc.

raumdeuter:
A40

What do you think about this exchange here

https://twitter.com/Bradonema/status/1268559829364285440?s=09

The way they see Africans is the same way the white man sees them. In Nigeria it's like how the northerner is treated in the south or southerner in the north. "I'm better than you"

donjazet:


You clearly didn't understand the discourse else you wouldn't post this nonsense.

You can see from my first post which you quoted that I made 3 points.

1. That diezani was hiding in London for a long time despite being corrupt.

2. That the British government influences corruption in african governments.

3. That Nigeria has not received adequate compensation for the oil spill damage caused by Shell in the Niger delta.

He addressed the first issue and I accepted his stance because I intended to check up on the issue later, he then went further to defend the British government and it's role in Africa which I vehemently opposed.

He seemed to be white washing Britain's dark history here and falsely thought that I was blaming only Britain for corruption.

So you can see how the discussion evolved from deiziani to British corruption.

Please read and understand accurately before making these kind of summations.

You always emotional and that's the problem one has to deal with following Ur discussions.!

You clearly stated :


I believe deiziani did this with the aid of the British government.
It's no surprise that many of our corrupt officials seek solace in the UK once they are being hounded.

Somebody came into the discussion and claimed How Nigerian government have been the one making the extradition u wish for almost impossible. A less emotional person would either debunk this claim or accept he's not aware of the information. Simple.

No be say I wan drag u, but seeing Ur subsequent posts like this one below just dey turn Belle :

And stop thinking that i am emotionally attached to these issues, I am just a man that has broadened my horizons and put it to good use.

airmark:


See sure free 200 odds source, you are talking about American Gods season 3.

You didn't see where they said Otem and his friends don't hear prayers because they have left this plane abi?

Nah segedinho can still give me sure odds provided I give him the private parts of 15 agama lizards.

Otem on the other hand is an actor on a galactic stage, waging war with at least 3 god's that we know of, and maybe 2 million that we don't.

Call me mad, but I'm interested.

nihilistjnr:


You didn't see where they said Otem and his friends don't hear prayers because they have left this plane abi?

Nah segedinho can still give me sure odds provided I give him the private parts of 15 agama lizards.

Otem on the other hand is an actor on a galactic stage, waging war with at least 3 god's that we know of, and maybe 2 million that we don't.

Call me mad, but I'm interested.

You don't need prayer again. Just send him an email asking for sure 200 odds, nothing like praying to him.

Someone so powerful to have caged other powerful gods, can give you 1000 odds without breaking a sweat bro.

Ask gensteejay.

Is the god guy for real!!! My homeboy prolly think i'm losing it man!!! Laughing my lungs weak to this Nigerian god man.

nihilistjnr:


You didn't see where they said Otem and his friends don't hear prayers because they have left this plane abi?

Nah segedinho can still give me sure odds provided I give him the private parts of 15 agama lizards.

Otem on the other hand is an actor on a galactic stage, waging war with at least 3 god's that we know of, and maybe 2 million that we don't.

Call me mad, but I'm interested.

Otem was a god

But gods neva die,so mr otem reincarnated thru atum

So in a bid to respect this "fallacy"he added otem to his name making it OtemAtum just like jesus of ogbomosho.

So you are chatting with a god in the name of OtemAtum who is currently teaching his disciple (gent) how to perform miaga .

U can easily get 200 odd from either the recarnated gods "itself" or his only disciple Mr gents.

A god that can cage allah and Jehovah,will gladly and easily gv u 200 odds with no burnt sacrifice



All hail OtemAtum

See mere mortals dragging all mighty Atum. Una no dey fear?

BlueRayDick:



You always emotional and that's the problem one has to deal with following Ur discussions.!

You clearly stated :


I believe deiziani did this with the aid of the British government.
It's no surprise that many of our corrupt officials seek solace in the UK once they are being hounded.

Somebody came into the discussion and claimed How Nigerian government have been the one making the extradition u wish for almost impossible. A less emotional person would either debunk this claim or accept he's not aware of the information. Simple.

No be say I wan drag u, but seeing Ur subsequent posts like this one below just dey turn Belle :

[b]And stop thinking that i am emotionally attached to these issues, I am just a man that has broadened my horizons and put it to good use. ]

If im dey turn your belle, look away. I don't know what will make you think i am emotionally charged on this issue.

I made two points in my initial post about this issue that Ibime responded too.
The first was that deiziani was a corrupt official who was hiding in London and secondly, pointed out how that the British government influences corruption in Nigeria.
I have posted a video that buttresses my point about this. If you are not interested in a particular discussion here, simply look away rather than ranting about it the way you are doing.

Segedinho:

Otem was a god

But gods neva die,so mr otem reincarnated thru atum

So in a bid to respect this "fallacy"he added otem to his name making it OtemAtum just like jesus of ogbomosho.

So you are chatting with a god in the name of OtemAtum who is currently teaching his disciple (gent) how to perform miaga .

U can easily get 200 odd from either the recarnated gods "itself" or his only disciple Mr gents.

A god that can cage allah and Jehovah,will gladly and easily gv u 200 odds with no burnt sacrifice



All hail OtemAtum

This picture is f**** hilarious. Is that the otum god??

donjazet:


There it is, you have reduced the argument to name-calling, abuse and insults.
I will not go down that path with you seeing as you are one of the guys I truly respect here. Although, i am very disappointed that you would resort to abuse in the face of a contrary opinion and facts.

I am not saying that Nigeria or other African countries are not corrupt, I would be foolish to not point out our morbidly corrupt leaders, however I am pointing out to you, the fact that Britain who colonized us has helped not only our leaders but other countries corrupt elements to wash their money and protect the stolen assets.

You are making it appear like Britain is a saint in these issues and that my friend is very short-sighted and worse still disappointing coming from you.

And stop thinking that i am emotionally attached to these issues, I am just a man that has broadened my horizons and put it to good use.

Anyways, seeing as you have resorted to pettiness and insults, I will no longer debate with you on this issue.

My friend stop jumping from pillar to post. I never abused you, I said you are chatting rubbish (which you were).

You jumped from claiming British Govt is shielding Deizani (false), to claiming they are shielding Shell (false).

You even said "Till date, Nigeria is the only country that is unable to get adequate compensation for the oil spill and environmental damage done in our lands by shell.".

Can you show me any suit brought against Shell by the Nigerian Govt? I mean how can you be so factually inaccurate, then advise me to go and "read".

Nigerian Govt is the one shielding Shell and is the one responsible for making and enforcing Nigerian Environmental Laws, not British Govt. Nigerian Govt is not only negligent in Environmental enforcement, but is responsible for numerous human rights abuse of indigenous people who complain about Environmental degradation. The Land Use Act of 1978 allows them to just steal your land, explore on it, pollute it and you get no partnership in the proceeds. It was specifically designed to steal Niger Delta people's land without recompense. Nigeria killed SaroWiwa and the Ogoni 9, and guess what, it is in European Courts that those families have been able to get some millions in compensation from Shell for their part in the Ogoni troubles, whilst Nigeria who actually killed them are yet to pay a penny to those families. BTW, Ogoni are not the only ones suffering from environmental abuse, we are all suffering and Nigerian Govt whose responsibility it is to to make and enforce these laws just allow a free for all, and are 50-50 partners in any oil venture. And yet, you are here blaming Britain and the White man as usual.

In comparison to our Banana Republics, we can at least take some solace in the fact that the International Community is willing to listen to Indigenous tribes on human rights and environmental issues despite our Home Govts not only propagating the abuse but killing those who speak. Ok, let's juxtapose with Jair Bolsanaro allowing anyone to go logging in the Amazon, relaxing mining regulations etc leading to Environmental abuses in Brazil. Is it British Govts responsibility to go after any British logging company in Brazil who are simply abiding by the law of the land?

From there, you then jumped from pillar to another post talking about our leaders hiding money in Cayman Islands. Are you not aware that Cayman Islands are autonomous and make their own Trust laws and are blacklisted by the EU, with Britain and Yankee having to constantly arm-twist them into signing deals aimed at disclosure of their citizens hiding savings there. Are you not aware that these small countries compete for investment by slashing tax to almost zero, and there are dozens of tax havens where Nigerians and others hide money and have nothing to do with Britain or the "white man" you like to blame including Panama, Fiji, Samoa, Oman, Palau, Seychelles etc and hundred of other tax havens including Monaco, Luxembourg, Palau, Antigua and most small Carribean Nations and even the so called Dubai where our leaders now like stashing their money when they saw what happened to Ibori and Abacha loot. I can buy a small country today and make it a tax haven if I want and Donjazet will still be blaming Britain for it.

DonJ if you want, I can personally get some of my guys to set up shell Companies for you in Marshall Islands, and I have consulted for companies incorporated there before. Those people are aboriginal people. I hope you won't blame neighbouring Australia in your unending cause to blame Oyinbo for every woe, just like you left Nigeria who never signed extradition request for Deizani to blame Britain who are still waiting on Naija.

And I don't need to watch your documentary. Where you are today, I have been 12-20 years ago, and am well informed on Colonial and Corporate abuses of Africans. You will think an older person does not have knowledge because they are not interested in you pushing your leftist persecution complex all the time. Like someone said a young man who is not a Socialist is heartless, but an older man who is still a socialist is stüpid. Don't think you are telling me anything new just cos you are reading today what I've absorbed and processed 15 years ago, and no longer interested in.

My mom and I were having discussion concerning MKO and the June 12 saga.My mom use to read some magazines and editorial back then and she believed abiola knew babaginda was going to annul that election cuz he has already been paid by babaginda
Babe ibime uncle blueraydick,egbon raumdeuteur sir larride and others what's your take on this.

kopfschmerzen:


This picture is f**** hilarious. Is that the otum god??

A god that was able to cage other gods like allah and co

Do you know what he can do to a mere mortal


Don't force anything outa my mouth o...


This for you for trying to set me up

donjazet:

And you should know your opinions about me (whether good or bad, true or false) doesn't matter. They're as useless as the "p" in "pneumonia".

If you're expecting me to start arguing about the claims in Otem's historical piece or your atheistic creed about whether a deity exists or not, you go wait tire.

You expect me to start verifying whether a claim in a history book is true or not when your mind is already made up about a piece of literature you don't have let alone know its content.

No time for such.

When you're serious about critiquing the book, you'll learn about what you want to scrutinize first.

What an adult believes or disbelieves is none of my business, so no time to waste in meaningless arguments.

donjazet:


If im dey turn your belle, look away. I don't know what will make you think i am emotionally charged on this issue.

I made two points in my initial post about this issue that Ibime responded too.
The first was that deiziani was a corrupt official who was hiding in London and secondly, pointed out how that the British government influences corruption in Nigeria.
I have posted a video that buttresses my point about this. If you are not interested in a particular discussion here, simply look away rather than ranting about it the way you are doing.

You just get strong head and don't like to be seen/perceived as being wrong.

You claimed u believe Diezani is hiding in UK because UK government aided her. Somebody that has a better understanding of the situation of things gave an explanation that indicts our Govt and AGF.....Oya gree saythag was a gaffe on Ur part , Mba!

U later turned back and claim u are not putting emotions into the matter.....smh

kopfschmerzen:
Is the god guy for real!!! My homeboy prolly think i'm losing it man!!! Laughing my lungs weak to this Nigerian god man.

This guy dey always muddz me.

This gensteej guy is so knowledgable, I will really like to see what is inside his head.

Segedinho:

A god that was able to cage other gods like allah and co

Do you know what he can do to a mere mortal


Don't force anything outa my mouth o...


This for you for trying to set me up

My bad bruh!!! Ain't trying to disrespect em gods...

Y'all steady cracking my weak lungs...

ToyinDipo:
This gensteej guy is so knowledgable,[ I will really like to see what is inside his head.

How can u see what is inside somebody's head nítorí Ọlọ́run.....

I laughed really hard reading this

Segedinho:

Otem was a god

But gods neva die,so mr otem reincarnated thru atum

So in a bid to respect this "fallacy"he added otem to his name making it OtemAtum just like jesus of ogbomosho.

So you are chatting with a god in the name of OtemAtum who is currently teaching his disciple (gent) how to perform miaga .

U can easily get 200 odd from either the recarnated gods "itself" or his only disciple Mr gents.

A god that can cage allah and Jehovah,will gladly and easily gv u 200 odds with no burnt sacrifice



All hail OtemAtum

meme you badt

BlueRayDick:





How can u see what is inside somebody's head nítorí Ọlọ́run.....

I laughed really hard reading this

Haha, I want to confirm what's inside

ToyinDipo:

Haha, I want to confirm what's inside

This life no balance at all

OtemAtum:
meme you badt

Sotey even Otem dey laugh?

ToyinDipo:
This gensteej guy is so knowledgable, I will really like to see what is inside his head.

Your signature best captures your condition. QED.

OtemAtum:
meme you badt

When is Atum going to reveal more things about the universe? We need gensteejay engaged pls.

nihilistjnr:


Sotey even Otem dey laugh?

Even the gods enjoy a bit of humor here and there

ToyinDipo:
This gensteej guy is so knowledgable, I will really like to see what is inside his head.

.

nihilistjnr:


You didn't see where they said Otem and his friends don't hear prayers because they have left this plane abi?

Nah segedinho can still give me sure odds provided I give him the private parts of 15 agama lizards.

Otem on the other hand is an actor on a galactic stage, waging war with at least 3 god's that we know of, and maybe 2 million that we don't.

Call me mad, but I'm interested.

Them need turn OtemAtum writings into movie. The guy has a fantastic imagination.

larride:

We need gensteejay engaged pls.

Who is "we"? Jobless folks like you can keep on quoting me, and I will also keep on ignoring shallow ramblings of loafers here.

Expert17:


.

Nice pix of your brain.

Ibime:


Them need turn OtemAtum writings into movie. The guy has a fantastic imagination.

As innnnnnnn