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Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Gaggii: 11:44am On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum: How can a sane human believe that God rested?... Was he tired? Since he created everything with word |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by delkuf(m): 11:46am On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum:Is it possible to understand something that you don't believe. if I tell you that the earth is round and believe it without you going round the earth, will you say you understand what I told you without necessary evidence or you believed it ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 11:51am On Jun 06, 2020 |
delkuf:No need to apologise. I was an atheist. I am afraid that you are just regurgitating what you have been told to believe. And as I said, it is how we are taught in Nigeria, to believe, even if we never go on to understand. A study of the Gospels however shows that Jesus was about understanding rather than for one to just believe. A very good example of this is the Parable of the Good Samaritan. The Priest and the Levite were believers, but Christ said "Go and do like the unbelieving pagan worshipping Samaritan". |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by malvisguy212: 11:59am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Gaggii:since you know the bible more than Christians, then explain why JESUS ( master) will wash the feet of His disciples (servant)? |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 12:02pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
delkuf:Yes, it is possible to understand something and not believe it. If you told me the earth is round and I believed you without checking any evidence to see if it is true, then I am stupid, and your sheepie, and if you told me to put my hand in the fire, I just might believe you and put my hand in the fire. If Jesus did not understand his Bible, he would have [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+4%3A1-11&version=NIV]made bread out of stones to relieve his own hunger, and jumped from a pinnacle and rely on angels to break his fall, and worship Satan in return for all the kingdoms of the world[/url]. After all, Satan was quoting from the Bible that you claim must be believed, so why didn't Christ believe when it was quoted to him? 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 12:04pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Gaggii:It could simply mean, God stopped working because the task had been completed. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Nobody: 12:21pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
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Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by delkuf(m): 1:50pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
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Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by delkuf(m): 1:51pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum:Yeah the Samaritan may be an unbeliever, but that is a different case study. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 1:55pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
delkuf:In what way is it different? Jesus clearly did say 'go and behave like the unbelieving Samaritan and not like the believing Priest and Levite', who both sinned because they believed! |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by delkuf(m): 1:56pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum:mind you the Bible wasn't written when Jesus was on earth. The Lord Jesus Christ was a believer. He believed what the heavenly Father told him. If he didn't believe, he won't have lay down his life. Do you know the difference between the Lord Jesus Christ and the devil. The Lord Jesus Christ is a believer and devil uses logic. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by delkuf(m): 2:04pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum:because the Lord Jesus Christ told us to behave like the unbelieving Samaritan, doesn't mean we should behave like the Samaritan. You should know more than this. The Lord Jesus Christ was only telling us examplify what the Samaritan did by helping the man that was Rob by the harmed robbers. that was the Lord Jesus Christ was trying to say Stop misinterpreting the Bible |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by orunto27: 2:35pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
THE BIBLE IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE TRAINER OF THE HEART, THE SOUL, THE MIND AND THE FLESH. THE BIBLE IS THEREFORE OUR INSTRUCTOR, OUR DIRECTOR AND OUR DISCERNMENT. FROM THE BIBLE WE DERIVE RICHES, POWER, HONOUR AND EXCELLENCE.?. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 4:15pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
delkuf:What!? Jesus tells one to behave in a certain way but one should not behave in the way Jesus told one to behave, delkuf? Are you trying to send me straight to hell for disobeying God? I wonder how many other Jesus' behaves you would ask one to ignore. How about [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:43-48&version=NIV]love my enemy[/url], should I ignore that too, along with [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A3-9&version=NIV]be a peacemaker and be blessed[/url]? I bet you would not accept it if I said "Jesus tells one to believe certain things but one should not believe what Jesus told one to believe". Lol. delkuf:Indeed, Jesus Christ was saying "Stop using the Bible to justify your ignorance of the Word!" And in that Parable he was specifically saying, "Let your fruits (doings) so shine", and not, "merely be like the believing but non-doing Levite and Preist!" In fact, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202&version=NIV]James said it much more forcefully[/url] than Jesus: You foolish person. Do you want evidence that faith (belief) without deeds is useless? |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 4:24pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
delkuf:The Lord Jesus Christ was an Understander. He understood what his learned mother Mary had taught him, which was the Word of God (The Torah). And because he understood, he was able to use reason, and logic and his vast understanding of the Word! You would notice this in all his arguments with the learned Pharisees and Sadducees who believed and could reason and use logic, but lacked understanding. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Nobody: 4:45pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
gbami: Christianity is about submission to those superior to you! Jesus himself obeyed this rule {Matthew 22:21} Caesar is the Emperor of Rome whose people were ENSLAVING Jesus' people. So instead of using his God's given power to free his people, Jesus keep telling them to bear it until God's Kingdom come! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 5:37pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:No it certainly is not! At least, a proper understanding of Christianity is not "submission to those superior to you"! If Christainity was "submission to those superior to you", 12 year old Jesus would have submitted to his superiors in the temple, and to the learned Pharisees and Sadducees he kept arguing with, and to Caesar too, all who held superior positions to Christ. But he didn't! He called them serpents, he said they were evil, "Woe to you hypocrites," he said. "You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. How will you escape being condemned to hell?" In fact, "submission to those superior to you" is the doctrine of the antichrist! As in, the doctrine of those who want to use the Word of God to enslave. And, despite all the threads about slavery currently on here, God does not want slaves, God wants co-workers! I know you would argue this Max, but I will try really hard not to engage in this with you because I know it will profit not. But I do put it to you that all those who accept Christ into their lifes, receive the Comforter, the Holy Ghost that Christ sent down to minister to each and everyone of us who is willing to accept it. And those in whom the Spirit of God dwells are slaves to no one and nothing! |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Nobody: 6:01pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum: You misconstrued the whole thing Ma! ![]() Those Jewish religious leaders aren't superior to anyone in Israel, according to the law, all Israelites are equal before the law! The Romans on the other hand don't know God's law so Jesus told his people they shouldn't rebel against that arrangement. So those people in the temple aren't superior to any Jew, they can only shun you from their temple but the Romans can arrest and punish a Jew who rebel against their orders! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 6:32pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:I'm certain you are not suggesting the Romans were in any way superior to Christ. We can clearly see that Jesus did not submit to any Roman. For despite them killing his flesh, they could not touch his soul. Hence, we sing, "He lives"! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbhTT4xqneg Below is him specifically telling you not to submit to anyone, for any reason whatsoever, except God!
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Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Nobody: 6:38pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum: But they had the power to stop him from further preaching publicly, when they killed him! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 7:03pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:That does not mean he submitted to them, Max. But first, I apologise. For I did think in my heart that you meant submit to the Elders. "Even the very hairs of your head are all numbered", He said. "So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows". That "afraid", means submission. In Psalm language, "fear" is used: [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+23%3A4-6&version=KJV]Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me[/url]. In Star Trekinese, we say: "Boldly go where no man has gone before!" And it is, in fact, the lesson of the entire chapter. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 7:10pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:Oh! And they obviously did not stop him preaching publicly. For when you go door to door preaching, "Christ is risen", It is not you who speaks, but the Spirit of your Father [and the living unkillable Christ the Son] speaking through you. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Kobojunkie: 7:21pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
gbami:Slavery was still very much legal even 2000 years ago, with some born into slavery... it was even considered by some an economic pathway. So, since Paul was not running some underground to free slaves -- doubt he even could if he had tried back then since even if he was a citizen of Rome, what I don't understand is your particular issue with the advice given. Would you rather he had advised the "Christian" slaves to revolt against their masters? ![]() Note: I don't advocate people believe everything that is written in that book either. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by gbami(m): 7:31pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Let me tell you a little history of some of the igbos(I am not an Igbo)...When some of them were being taken to the US via the Atlantic...They rebelled, killed their masters, some even decided to die before they take them to America.. Believe me...I will choose to die a free man any day, any time than to be slaved by someone... |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Kobojunkie: 7:40pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
gbami:Good for them, but let's get back to the story here. Paul wrote that line to slaves who obviously did not choose death but instead wondered, maybe, what Christianity required of them as concerns the relationship with their masters. If not all slaves chose death over a life of servitude and some of those who lived became Christians somewhere down the line, what message would you have expected of Christ to such? ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Nobody: 7:44pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum: The Roman authority killed Jesus and that was the end of his public appearance, only his closest confidants saw him later, the Jewish community never saw him again! So superior authority is anyone having the power to determine whether you live or die! For instance, if the Boko Haram catches a Christian, they become the superior authority over him with the guns in their hands so whatever they command him he must do except if such command go against Godly principles, that's when he can say "NO!"! Jesus will obey the superior authority just as he admonished us to pay whatever due those ruling us demands, a slave belongs to his master so as long as he lives he must OBEY the person who bought him! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 7:49pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Ok Max, if you say so. You hopefully understand that my own understanding of Christ is that despite all the guns in the world , and their ability to kill my flesh, they are still in no way superior to me. A current example would be George Floyd, who was killed, but is turning out to be even much more powerful, as in, effective, dead. Maximus69: |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
budaatum: HE IS DEAD! all the protests in the world can't bring him back to his wife and kids! ![]() |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by gbami(m): 7:57pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Go back to your history....Masters( human)rape slaves, beats them etc...And you expect a slave to open her legs in obedience when the master says so... I am done with this... I am not a slave to anyone...no matter how it is phrased.... |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 7:57pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:The only authority superior to Jesus was his Father who art in Heaven, and He alone must the followers of Christ submit to as we should remind ourselves everytime we say: Thy Will be done on earth, as it is done in heaven. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by budaatum: 7:58pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:Ok. |
Re: Why I Don't Believe Everything I Read In The Bible. by Kobojunkie: 8:01pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
gbami: ![]() There is a story of a slave in the same Bible(the man called Nehemiah) who turned to God, and God changed his situation from then on. Now, this slave was a male slave, but a slave nonetheless. God did not command Nehemiah to kill his master or plan his escape or anything of the sort. No. God showed up in Nehemiah's case and the story is what we read in the book of Nehemiah. Sure, after so many years of living as a freeman, he chose to go back to serve his master after some time, but that again was his story. The slaves, written about in Paul's letter you referenced, chose to become Christians for one reason or another. That choice mattered to them, and some of them may have had the hope that God would intervene in their situation. God's plan for each slave, was that, God's own plan. Paul, on the other hand, was simply a messenger told to inform them of what Christ would have them to do as Christians. 1 Like 1 Share |
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