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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 9:04pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Anytime you see something like this, it means they are using/ referring to the other of His offices. JESUS IN HIS OFFICES 1. In His highest office; He is God (John 1:1-3; ) 2. In His lower office; He's an Angel (Joshua 5:13) 3. In His lower-than-angels office; He's a Man/human being (Acts 2:22) 4. In His lower-than-human office; He's a Lamb, Lion (i.e animal) John 1:29; Revelation 7:17; 5:5 5. In His lower-than-animal office; He's a Plant (John 15:1-2; Matthew 15:13) 6. In His lower-than-plant office; He's a Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4; Psalms 18:31,46) 7. In His lower-than-rock office; He's a Food (John 6:33,35,48). Colossians 1 :18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the PREEMINENCE. Ephesians 4: 10 "KJV:He that DESCENDED is THE SAME also that ASCENDED up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.) Stephen prayed to God Jesus: Acts 7: 59 "KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:11pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: Whether the animal meant something else or not, whether God was trying to reveal something else to Peter or not, Peter saw the animal termed unclean, Yes? NO? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:17pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
rottennaija: So what's your point? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 9:20pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Referring to the other offices, either as a Priest or the Prophet (Hebrews4:14 "KJV:Seeing then that we have A GREAT HIGH PRIEST, that is passed into the heavens, JESUS the SON of God, let us hold fast our profession. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:25pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: He is trying to say the animals were declared unclean but the riders and horses in Revelations just didn't say nothing to John, so JWs shouldn't give it their own meaning! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:27pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
TATIME: Oh i see! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:33pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: If you are asking that question, then there is no helping of you. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:34pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
TATIME: I guess you read mind too and can see what I am saying. I see. I pity you. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:36pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: My point is! Irrespective of what the vision mean, Peter did see the animal. He saw the animal. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 10:36pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69: What I understand about the Father and son is as follows; using the same Buhari: If you or anyone else goes to bank or other places, and you point at the below and ask 'who is that' or who is this? See what the Bible says "KJV:Who is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15) Hebrews 1:3 " KJV:Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: NOTE: Jesus is the picture of the Father. But unfortunately, Buhari picture/image has not the ability to talk Father's Image perform perfectly That's why when one of His disciples said to Him, you have been talking about the Father, please show us the Father He, without apologies, said I the Father have been so long with you and you have not known me, Philip? John 14:8-9 "KJV:Philip saith unto him, Lord, SHOW US THE FATHER, and it sufficeth us. 9 KJV:Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN so LONG time WITH YOU, and yet hast thou NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? JESUS IS in the Father and vice versa, this is the true God!
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 10:52pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
*. JESUS in heaven still appearing in form of lesser creature (a Lamb) Revelation 7 :17, although He's the creator. Revelation 4:11 'KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: FOR THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. John 1:3 "3 KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Colossians 1 : 16 "KJV:For by HIM WERE ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: NOTE: the things created are by Himself and for Himself. Jesus is the only true God! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 11:08pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere to fulfill a goal. The writters of the Book (The Bible) understood this and they used it perfectly. For example, Acts 2 :22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Note: it says God approved Jesus. The writter here is looking at Jesus in His office as human being Anytime you see something like this, just know that they are referring to the other offices. Another writter called Him GOD: * Acts 7:59 "KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit *. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 11:36pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
[quote author=Maximus69 post=90359905] Eventually all the angels in heaven had God's qualities except those who rebelled and we're expelled from heaven! No servant of God worshipped Jesus in the Bible, they must obey him as Jehovah's representative in our midst, that's the import of his name "Emmanuel" (God is in our midst) The phrase "every knee must bow" applies ONLY to obedient people Sir, that's why Jesus himself said "those who refuses to accept me as King over them, i will exterminte" {Luke 19:27} certainly if every living being have bowed (obeyed) Jesus then what is the essence of destroying anyone? John 3:16-18 So it wasn't about WORSHIPING Jesus Sir, it's about obeying Jehovah's representative in our midst! John 3:17-18 God bless you! Jesus has many offices, He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere. His followers understood/understand this His ability to change to anything, anyhow and anywhere. Once they (His followers) see Him, they worship Him not minding the office He uses. Example, Revelation 4:9-11"KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Note! This is Jesus being worshipped. How do I know? Jesus (in His office as human being) died. His death on the cross is one of the reasons He is worthy 'to receive glory and honour and power' I know because the last part says He created all things, and for His pleasure the things He created are and were created. The last part is in agreement with Colossians 1: 15-16 " |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 11:58pm On Jun 06, 2020 |
Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that. This landed him in trouble. Let's see: *. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4 KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST. *. Numbers 20:8,12 " KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink 12 KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. The Bible says kiss the Son *. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 12:22am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that. This landed him in trouble. Let's see: *. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4 KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST. *. Numbers 20:8,12 " KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink 12 KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. The Bible says kiss the Son *. Psalms 2:12 "KJV: KISS the SON, lest HE be ANGRY, and ye PERISH from THE WAY, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him Note: kiss, accept, embrace, worship, respect the Son, if not you won't be a true Christian. ' the way' means the body of Christ or the church. Example * Acts 9:2 ":And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of THIS WAY, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. *. Acts 19:9 "JV:But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of THAT WAY before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. *. Acts 19:23 "KJV:And the same time there arose no small stir about THAT WAY. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:34am On Jun 07, 2020 |
knowmore56 if you were not to delete the [/quote] at the end of the user comments you have quoted as in this post https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/22#90390467 it would be easier to see in your posts where that user finishes and you start it would also be easier for others to quote you |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:01am On Jun 07, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Judges6:11-22, PROOF of Shadeyinka's DELUSION... 12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee? 20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face." Judges 6:11-22 says John 5:43, Jesus " came in the name of the Father" Bros, is Jesus Christ the Father? * Exodus 33:20 "And Jehovah added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.” John 1:18 No man has ever seen God at anytime" Isaiah 43:10, Bros, your FALSE claim here amounts to saying because JWs bear Jehovah's witnesses it means it is Jehovah Himself witnessing. Shadeyinka is super glued with DELUSION 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 2:22am On Jun 07, 2020 |
. Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Mat_20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. . |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 4:58am On Jun 07, 2020 |
rottennaija: Peter saw animals in his dream but there was no single beast or eating in the outcome at last, yet you're here asking for the meaning of a revelation of future event shown to John with symbols shey. And after you've been given an interpretation you insist it doesn't go down well with you, OK go and give it your own interpretation you're here arguing profusely as if heaven will fall due to your childish dissatisfaction! My friend, i've given you the meaning of each symbol if you're not satisfied there are still over 41,000 religions out there also claiming Christians, after all if you're not satisfied with JWs interpretation there is nothing stopping you from going to others for a better interpretation. Your hatred for JWs won't change anything Sir, you'll only continue to hurt yourself the more, America has declared FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship, you either choose the one that soothes your liken or ignore everything altogether after all atheists are living their lives and nobody arrested them for condemning religion! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:13am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Janosky: In his bid to falsify the doctrines of JWs, he is now becoming so irrational that even he is ignorantly, arrogantly and vehemently condemning the concept that's well establish in the scriptures! Jesus (a former power spirit being) while traveling along with humans (Adam's descendants) was confronted by two mad men. Jesus spoke with them as if the two men knew what they're doing, but by the end of the day it's obvious that the persons talking with Jesus initially weren't those two men but powerful spirits that possessed them. Now we're talking about Jehovah (the Almighty God who is the greatest of all spirits) according to the scriptures he is always depicted as someone sitting on a throne, and NO MAN has seen him before, yet angels spoke as if they're Jehovah, even a toddler will solve the riddle that this Almighty spirit being used the ones people can see as his mouthpiece just as powerful spirit beings took possession of lesser beings like humans to speak to people! Walahi Talahi this is not difficult in anyway, but Shadeyinka is just arguing blindly, and later he will tell you "i cast out demons" i wonder how such could be possible if not that powerful beings hypnotize lesser ones to use them accomplish their purposes! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:27am On Jun 07, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: I love your explanation at the bolded my guy, in fact you're the most intelligent of them all! What you understand about the father and the son is not yielding positivity Sir Matthew 7:16-18 Few decades ago the Chinese decided to forbid all the protocols set up by the west in approach to Scientific research, they were sanctioned but they never give a damn. Back then only nations that aren't in good terms with America still deal with the Chinese, but today Chinese have proven beyond reasonable doubt that they're the best in SCIENCE. Please let people see the BENEFITS of the things you feel you understood first instead of all these narratives that's not working out what is fine amongst Churchgoers! James 2:18-26 God bless you! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:37am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: Shadeyinka is coming to expel that demon speaking through you now! What i don't understand is how he is doing so without hurting the person that was possessed! Because if he's arguing against the fact that superior beings are capable of making lesser ones their mouthpiece, then how on earth did he come to the conclusion that it is possible to expel spirits (that are much more powerful than the creatures they possessed) out from other creatures? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:02am On Jun 07, 2020 |
TATIME: I wonder o! He claims he has expelled demons before but he is now arguing BLINDLY against the same concept! Jehovah used any of his spirit sons as mouthpiece simple. Moses made it clear enough, the person leading the Israelites was an angel but the same Moses said Jehovah is the one leading his people! Exodus 13:20-21, 14:19 Similarly Moses wrote an angel was in the burning bush {Exodus 3:2} but it was Jehovah's voice he heard! Exodus 3:4-9 People just love behaving like Pharisees, even when logic works out perfectly all they're bent on doing is "they condemn our religion, we will also condemn their own" So even when they're seeing that their mission has failed they still insist pushing forward with their pigheadedness! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 7:47am On Jun 07, 2020 |
rottennaija: So far you decided to be stupid. Am enjoying this, John also see a dragon with seven heads fighting with Michael. Guess that animals is real too . Are all this animals in Heaven ? Bookmarked. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 7:55am On Jun 07, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Your lying mouth first denied Jacob fought an angel. Now you are struggling again to admit that an Angel spoke with Abraham , with Jehovah title . Abaraham entertained all three men, According to the Bible , those entertained are ANGELS . you have your answer
The highlighted is your answer ... The voice came right from the midst of the thornbush, guess who was there ? Second example together with of Abraham. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 8:01am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Janosky: You have finished him |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:11am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: I'm going to ignore every other thing you said here. But see the bolded? It highlights your problem. You don't read and even when you do, you don't understand. That how you go about explaining things not asked or go about talking things out of what is the subject. I don't blame you shaa, because if you did had read and more so understood, you wouldn't be talking about things not the subject. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:20am On Jun 07, 2020 |
rottennaija: My daddy and mommy are still putting faith in all these Sir! So go first change their minds to stop being members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization, before you come out worrying yourself over outsiders. This charity work you're trying to do, you supposed to begin with your own family who are also members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:21am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Again another diversion. Whether animal was created in heaven or in the moon is besides the question asked. The apostle John in his vision said he saw a horse... Mr wise Peacefullove, what is a horse? You see, you can only fool those whom you can fool. You see those who claim they are wise, they are the most fools. What is a horse? A plant? Animal? Angels? Humans? Because of your shame, you cannot even say a horse is an animal before beginning to explain nonsense whatever you have in mine. And yet, I am the fool. My dear, the keep jumping up and down. Eventually, you will bury your wise head in shame. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 8:24am On Jun 07, 2020 |
rottennaija: Now you are really stupid. John seeing something does not make it real. John see stars falling on earth, Does it make it real , . In another instance , John saw right in heaven a dragon seven heads fighting with Michael . Is this animal Real ? Am talking reality, you are talking see , Dumb man If you can't prove this animals are in heaven Eat the dust in shame. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:25am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: Madman, whether they are not not is none of your biz. Just as you have rights to be deluded, they also do. How many did Jesus change of his family in his lifetime? Maximus69, how many of Jesus family followed him in his lifetime? Stupid man |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:27am On Jun 07, 2020 |
Peacefullove: You are funniest fool, what did he see? Did he see the dragon? How real is heaven to you child of the wisest? Where is heaven? Which planet is it? We can see the earth and pinpoint the solar system it belongs to and the galaxy, tell wisest fool, which planet is heaven? Which galaxy? |
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