Ibime:


Guy, the Otem book is a great literary work of art modelled on the Bible but incorporating advances in science since then. My nigga even had his own version of Songs of Solomon.

While being a nice literary work which borrows from the Bible, Greek mythology, Ancient Egyptian beliefs and science, my question to you is why you brought it here to tell us about Faulkin, Nymphidis and co and present it as fact?

OtemAtum should be given a book deal and lauded for an outstanding feat of literary imagination, but you who believed and took it as fact should be flogged. In the words of Skimpledawg, I'm sorry.

Nice summary of a book with over 1,300 pages. Even Albert Einstein (if he were alive) would be proud of your speed in reading the whole literature in less than 24 hours.

By reading a page in a book (not up to 1% of its content), you've automatically read the whole book and can critique it. Now, that's interesting.

There are thousands of histories in the book. Otem makes thousands and thousands of claims in it. Can you show me where I said I believe the whole book hook, line, and sinker? Can you show me where I said any book in history (not even Otem's) is infallible or perfect?

Or let's even come down to the various histories of Faulkin (Yeshua) in the book: Can you show where I stated that IMO, all the histories of Yeshua in that literature are 100% factual and infallible?

All we need now are apostles to spread the otumatum gospel...I see one apostle..I see two apostles...all hail otumatum

All we need now are apostles to spread the otumatum gospel...I see one apostle..I see two apostles...all hail otumatum

Am i the only one who's actually willing to give gensteejay the benefit of the doubt? I'm not in support of everything he's said but i'm always open-minded. Most people here are quick to mock him without actually going through the sources or materials he mentioned. They've closed their minds to the slightest possibility that there might be an element of truth to it.

I don't have to wholly believe everything he says but i think i can gleam a thing or two from it and build on my own knowledge base. I can derive similar or different ideas by reasoning and examining his claims critically and then making my own interpretation of things.

A Dog destined to be lost does not hear the hunter's whistle.

dhebo:
All we need now are apostles to spread the otumatum gospel...I see one apostle..I see two apostles...all hail otumatum

e be like say I don join the apostle but otem said he doesn't want apostle

nihilistjnr:



Guy why you dey do like this na?

These ones sound like avengers not gods.

The next thing you'll hear is that Yahweh and Allah were caged on Apokolips, as a result Loki stealing the tesseract for Fenibeso.

Thor and Sango did a super awesome thunder hammer team up, but Otem snapped his fingers and made them disappear because basically Otem is Thanos wihout Marvel branding.

Lmao. So otem has the infinity gauntlet and he gotten all stones.

Ibime:


As you wish my Lord.

BLUELemon you fit drop me your email as Otem commanded.

good morning... I have responded you earlier but maybe you didn't see the message

BLUELemon:
wow good morning sir. My battery was flat last night . Big thanks god otem, i am on freebasis and i cant use email at the moment please permit me to drop my acc here. Sorry for any inconvinences. Joshua namures sterlin bank .0072.053910

At least, I've known Otem for over 2 years now on Nairaland.

In his own philosophy by his works, posts, and actions, he worships/prays to no god and always shuns forming any religion, cult, brotherhood, or followership/fellowship.

If he was chasing clout or looking to develop a cult, I would have regarded his book as a religious text, which I don't hold in high esteem.

Now, mockers can say whatever they like. When you pour water into a basket, let's know if the basket ever becomes full.

That's how futile a foolish person's criticism looks when he condemns what he doesn't know its content.

Just like I have recommend a number of books of history for people, I will do the same for a seminal book like Otem's.

It's always wise to read histories from various sources, rather than forming your beliefs on just one book like religious people do.

gensteejay:

Nice summary of a book with over 1,300 pages. Even Albert Einstein (if he were alive) would be proud of your speed in reading the whole literature in less than 24 hours.

By reading a page in a book (not up to 1% of its content), you've automatically read the whole book and can critique it. Now, that's interesting.

There are thousands of histories in the book. Otem makes thousands and thousands of claims in it. Can you show me where I said I believe the whole book hook, line, and sinker? Can you show me where I said any book in history (not even Otem's) is infallible or perfect?

Or let's even come down to the various histories of Faulkin (Yeshua) in the book: Can you show where I stated that IMO, all the histories of Yeshua in that literature are 100% factual and infallible?

You can already see his influences in the first page of the book. The below chapters for example are just a straight rip-off of The Songs of Solomon.

How you took someone just ripping off other religious texts, and combining different beliefs from Greek Mythology to Egyptian Mythology and came to present it as fact here is what baffles me. Earthum in his texts is modelled on Poseidon. He modelled Earthum (Poseidon) love for Earthus (Hera) on Greek mythology, where Poseidon was cheating with Hera after Zeus (who he has created as Nymphidis) tricked her into marriage. The same Nymphidis, he has combined to be the characters of Zeus with Jehovah. To add jara to his rip-off of Greek mythology, he even created Ephradite (Aphrodite)

My guy has presented a great work of art borrowing heavily from other religions and tying up characteristics from different gods into a nice literary piece of sci-fi historical and ethno-religious fiction. But goddamn, I must be crazy to start bringing these Gods like Faulkin, yESHUa to present as fact on Chelsea thread and actually believe it.

You can see how he combined Greek Mythology - Hera (Earthus) cheating on Zeus (Nymphidis) with Poseidon (Earthum) - and transcribed it into Songs of Solomon (Bible) below. I don't blame my nigga Atem for this great piece of work, I blame you who do not know the root etymology of these stories for allowing your head to be used.

otemanuduno:
CHAPTER THIRTEEN


THE SONGS OF MOTHER EARTHUS
1. Upon my bed do I weep for my love. Who shall console my heart? O my love, depart not from me forever.
2. Every day of my life shall I wait for to see your face. Come close to me and give me the kisses of your mouth. The liquid of your lips are like the taste of blackberry.
3. Come to me, O my love. Let the smell of your skin overshadow me. Let the hair of your head caress my body.
4. Come and take me away from this bondage forever. You are not like Nymphidis, who is a thorn in my flesh. Come Eartum, come and have me forever.
5.The earth without you is like the turnic tree without its fruit. It is like a head without the nostrils.
In your hands I shall be proud. I shall boast of being a mother only when it is with you.
6. Keep me close to your chest; let the warmth of your ribs be my shelter. Keep me in your heart and I shall dwell therein forever.
7. O my love, most respected of the sons of God! Tell your ocean that you have a woman in me. Let them be prepared for my coming because it shall not be long.
8. Tell the fishes and the phibioses about Earthus. Let them get ready for my coming, for I shall come not long.
9. The shape of your eyes is perfectly oval. I cannot take away my eyes from them. Your eyelashes like the hairs of a marf.
10. Let me feel the smoothness of your feet. Let my fingers run from your chest down your abdomen. 11. My long finger shall make its way down your navel.
12. Give way, for my love comes. He comes dressed in garment of white like the sun.
13. Respect! Respect! the preferred son of God is come. He rides on a chystosaurus. Cover the earth with the grass of tefron, for the son of God shall not tread upon the bare ground.
14. Lo, I shed tears for my love for many years and the tears of my eyes set before my sclera.
15. Then I saw through the water of my eyes that Eartum is only a yard away.
16. Swiftly I rushed to hug the love of my heart and give him the reserved kiss of my cheeks.
17. But when I got close to my love, all I see was a smoke. It was all a conception of my brain.

otemanuduno:
THE SONGS OF EARTUM
1. Let me remain celibate if the love of my heart is taken away from me.
2. The teeth of your mouth as white as wool. The hair of your head like the shiny anysx.
3. If I have my way into your inner chamber with my rod, thus shall I take your heart with me. I shall keep your heart in mine forever.
4. Earthus, you are a true mother. I long to see you in the ocean to take charge of all the beasts in the ocean.
5. Tarry not long anymore, for I have taught the creatures in the sea of your ways. You are the balance of the earth, this did I teach them.
6. Your statue have they set before their faces. The whales and the tergunis, they strove to swallow your image so that you could live in them forever.
7. My love, stay not long anymore. For I long to place my head on the soft pillows of your chest.
Let me put my laps in your laps and my lips in your lips. Let us play love in the wave of the ocean.
8.Let me pull your long hair and bind myself with it. Your skin is as smooth as that of the phibioses in the ocean.
9. I love your eyes that shine like the stars. Let us go over to the moon to play love. There we shall enjoy the reflection of the sun.
10. Let me release the content of my scrotal sac into you, for I long to have a replica of myself through you. I long to see who shall come out of your womb.
11. Earthus, in the dream of my eyes I see you alone, but when my eyes flashed opened, I found myself in the midst of the ocean all alone.

BLUELemon:
good morning... I have responded you earlier but maybe you didn't see the message

I have seen it Sir. I go pay tithe tomorrow

Ibime:


I have seen it Sir. I go pay tithe tomorrow

for the book? I don't understand

BLUELemon:
for the book? I don't understand

I'll credit you tomorrow

pkasso:
Am i the only one who's actually willing to give gensteejay the benefit of the doubt? I'm not in support of everything he's said but i'm always open-minded. Most people here are quick to mock him without actually going through the sources or materials he mentioned. They've closed their minds to the slightest possibility that there might be an element of truth to it.

I don't have to wholly believe everything he says but i think i can gleam a thing or two from it and build on my own knowledge base. I can derive similar or different ideas by reasoning and examining his claims critically and then making my own interpretation of things.

Same way he gave us benefits of doubt about our religious beliefs.

Many people here are just giving him the dose of his own medicine.

Let it be known here that weedtaker has paid his debt like a true lannister

postdigger:
Let it be known here that weedtaker has paid his debt like a true lannister

Abi he beg like ogbahiagbon

nihilistjnr:


If you can't manage of all that, I beg you cage Leyqute. He talks too much.

Hey nihi how long did it take you to recover from that nasty flu/fever weeks ago?

Ibime:


You can already see his influences in the first page of the book. The below chapters for example are just a straight rip-off of The Songs of Solomon.

Ok. Back in 2017 when I first came across his thread when I was still a Muslim, I also felt like he was copying things from various sources and combining all of them into a single book.

So I only managed to read the first page of the book then because by reading such books as a Muslim, most of the content will sound nonsensical since you already have a set of beliefs ingrained in your mind as a Muslim.

But when I abandoned the thread, I followed different discussions of atheists here on Nairaland then, read various threads of this nler, Billyonaire (his account his now deactivated but he's a new account), read some other books recommended by musicwriter (another irreligious nler).

Using these sources and books, I did my own independent research to verify things personally and think about them critically (looking for evidence in support of or against a religious claim), instead of following what I was taught from childhood or the popular opinions of the religious majority, I became convinced by the end of 2017 that all religions are man-made and are political tools for mind control.

Early 2018, I looked for the thread again and approached it with an open mind because I had a lot of questions in need of answers.

For a year, I read everything piece be piece and got the PDF (without the soft copy, the thread will not make much sense as many parts have been deleted).

Now, without a particular religion or philosophy, I can appraise his claims critically.
Which ones are true? Which ones are false? Which ones are unverified?

There are a number of similarities in some stories with what's in the Bible, so a person can quickly to rush to conclude he copied all the stories from the Bible.

But that's not so. His own approach is more detailed as he considered the origin of each character (Yeshua, prophets, etc.) and concept in the Bible.

He didn't leave out many things about the characters and concepts as we've in the Bible.

His own version of these stories is original. For instance, how did the name of Solomon come about (the etymology)?

He didn't just narrate the history of this person starting halfway. He took it right from his roots (parts not in any religious book).

The history of mountain Kilimanjaro in East Africa: He narrated how that term was formed (from 2 communities).

The term, Omoluwabi, in Yorubaland he narrated how that word came about.

There are lots of such original historical claims in the book you can't find anywhere in details like that.

It's one thing for an author to explain the history of a city, for example; but when he goes deeper to discuss how the name of the city was formed (the etymology), a reasonable person can't waive such claims aside.

There are lots of historical facts in the book. Since, many of the histories are about events billions, millions of years ago, an important question the reader needs to ask is, "how accurate are the histories?"

So, a reasonable person can't believe all the things in a book he reads since, as far as I'm concerned, no book on earth (including religious texts) is the ultimate or infallible or perfect.

Only by reading the literature (for people that find such necessary) and evaluating the claims critically by checking other sources, etc. can that question be answered. It will take time to evaluate all the claims in the book since they're very many.

Personally, having read the whole book and studied the Seriot language, I've seen enough reasons to investigate the claims in the literature, and not to shove it aside as a fabricated piece.

gensteejay:

Ok. Back in 2017 when I first came across his thread when I was still a Muslim, I also felt like he was copying things from various sources and combining all of them into a single book.

So I only managed to read the first page of the book then because by reading such books as a Muslim, most of the content will sound nonsensical since you've already have a set of beliefs ingrained in your mind as a Muslim.

But when I abandoned the thread, I followed different discussions of atheists here on Nairaland then, read various threads of this nler, Billyonaire (his account his now deactivated but he's a new account), read some other books recommended by musicwriter (another irreligious nler).

Using these sources and books, I did my own independent research to verify things personally and think about them critically (looking for evidence in support of or against a religious claim), instead of following what I was taught from childhood or the popular opinions of the religious majority, I became convinced by the end of 2017 that all religions are man-made and are political tools for mind control.

Early 2018, I looked for the thread again and approached it with an open mind because I had a lot of questions in need of answers.

For a year, I read everything piece be piece and got the PDF (without the soft copy, the thread will not make much sense as many parts have been deleted).

Now, without a particular religion or philosophy, I can appraise his claims critically.
Which ones are true? Which ones are false? Which are unverified?

There are a number of similarities in some stories with what's in the Bible, so a person can quickly to rush to conclude he copied all the stories from the Bible.

But that's not so. His own approach is more detailed as he considered the origin of each character (Yeshua prophets, etc.) and concept in the Bible.

He didn't leave out many things about the characters and concepts as we've in the Bible.

His own version of these stories is original. For instance, how did the name of Solomon come about (the etymology)?

He didn't just narrate the history of this person starting halfway. He took it right from his roots (parts not in any religious book).

The history of mountain Kilimanjaro in East Africa: He narrated how that term was formed (from 2 communities).

The term, Omoluwabi, in Yorubaland he narrated how that word came about.

There are lots of such original historical claims in the book you can't find anywhere in details like that.

It's one thing for an author to explain the history of a city, for example; but when he goes deeper to discuss how the name of the city was formed (the etymology), a reasonable person can't waive such claims aside.

There are lots of historical facts in the book. Since, many of the histories are about events billions, millions of years ago, an important question the reader needs to ask is, "how accurate are the histories?"

So, a reasonable person can't believe all the things in a book he reads since, as far as I'm concerned, no book on earth (including religious texts) is the ultimate or infallible or perfect.

Only by reading the literature (for people that find such necessary) and evaluating the claims critically by checking other sources, etc. can that question be answered. It will take time to evaluate all the claims in the book since they're very many.

Personally, having read the whole book and studied the Seriot language, I've seen enough reasons to investigate the claims in the literature, and not to shove it aside as a fabricated piece.

Leave story abeg. Your other sources are drawn from the same historical religions hence affirming the same circle of knowledge he drew upon to create his work of historical FICTION.

Leaving long talks aside, we can also use our intuition on the intangible aspects of his work. Your first redflag as to the charlatanism of his work should be to ask yourself why he converted his Seriot revelations into the olde English of King James in this modern age, if not to mimic other religious texts which were transcribed to English in the 16th and 17th century. Did Atum ask him to reveal all this knowledge in 16th century language? That already disqualifies the authenticity of revelation completely.

gensteejay:
At least, I've known Otem for over 2 years now on Nairaland.

In his own philosophy by his works, posts, and actions, he worships/prays to no god and always shuns forming any religion, cult, brotherhood, or followership/fellowship.

If he was chasing clout or looking to develop a cult, I would have regarded his book as a religious text, which I don't hold in high esteem.

Now, mockers can say whatever they like. When you pour water into a basket, let's know if the basket ever becomes full.

That's how futile a foolish person's criticism looks when he condemns what he doesn't know its content.

Just like I have recommend a number of books of history for people, I will do the same for a seminal book like Otem's.

It's always wise to read histories from various sources, rather than forming your beliefs on just one book like religious people do.

There's Greek history and Greek MYTHS. There's a reason why myths are termed myths.
You don't manufacture history. History is a recount of past happenings. It isn't created.

Otem's supposed historical recounts (while making for an interesting read strictly from a literary perspective) are the end-products of an overly-imaginative mind. Alternate-facts, actually.

Nothing of substance worthy of any response from me. When I see a commenter that's very familiar with the book, having read all of it (or most parts), such a person will post intelligent questions, showing they know the content they're criticizing well.

How can a person critique a book after reading merely a page out of over a thousand pages?

All knowledge and books are meant to be critically reviewed to know what's true or not. But critiquing things on the surface without first learning about what you're talking about (as most are doing here) is merely making a noise.

No substance.

Blessed is the day I was waka-ing anyhow and stumbled on this thread.


Otem is just a stupid idiot; did you notice how he mute to meaningful questions.

Leyqute:


Hey nihi how long did it take you to recover from that nasty flu/fever weeks ago?

About 2 weeks tbh

Are you ok bro?

I hope y'all know that "Atum" translates to "my chewing stick"

elrony:
I hope y'all know that "Atum" translates to "my chewing stick"

The guy just dey use gensteejay head.

Ibime:


The guy just dey use gensteejay head.

He does write intelligently, but surprisingly trapped mentally. It baffles how a brilliant Being like him couldn't figure out Otem's Book of Gibberish is nothing but Fictions.

elrony:
I hope y'all know that "Atum" translates to "my chewing stick"

in my own nsukka language "atum" translates to "my poosie"

gensteejay:
Nothing of substance worthy of any response from me. When I see a commenter that's very familiar with the book, having read all of it (or most parts), such a person will post intelligent questions, showing they know the content they're criticizing well.

How can a person critique a book after reading merely a page out of over a thousand pages?

All knowledge and books are meant to be critically reviewed to know what's true or not. But critiquing things on the surface without first learning about what you're talking about (as most are doing here) is merely making a noise.

No substance.

In all thy gaining, gain wisdom.

Why should I spend all my time reading a book you claim is twice as long as the Bible and Qur'an combined when I can already see from the first page it is predicated on a rip off of Greek MYTHS.

If OtemAtum care to shorten it to a more concise book, I wouldn't mind taking it on holiday like any other work of fiction to be read leisurely while lying on the beach sipping daquiris and pina coladas. That's what you do with unprofitable literature having paid for the holiday with money earned from reading PROFITABLE literature.

MichaelBukamzy:
in my own nsukka language "atum" translates to "my poosie"

or otum

Wait oo. Una sure say those two monikers no be one person dey handle am.Wey baba diggs nah.

Ibime:


The guy just dey use gensteejay head.

If you come translate the full "Otem Atum" = "rubs my chewing stick"

You're right if you say he's using gensteegay "head", cos "head" can be subjective

obainojazz:
or otum

mba oo. Nsukka and some part of enugu na atum we dey call am.