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Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by ghostofsparta(m): 2:28am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins:The emboldened right there is one of the problems with Nigerians self-believing intellectuals, thinking argument is all about win/lose affair. Most of you all don't even know what it means to argue. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by Kobojunkie: 5:01am On Jun 09, 2020 |
Righteousness89:The "central point" of Salvation is not blood but life. Blood is a symbol in this case used to mean life. Imagine if blood was all it took, a simple cut to the hand would have sufficed. Instead, He had to give up his life, and no other kind of sacrifice would suffice. Righteousness89:Again, the animals in question had to die, not simply have their bloodshed on the altar. Life was what was required! Righteousness89:Again, blood is just the symbol, an abstract for life! Jesus did not abolish, nor change the Old Covenant. Those who do not make it into the Kingdom of God will likely be subjected to judgment by the standards set in the Old Covenant - yes, the same covenant that lists animal sacrifices and whatnot. The old Covenant is just as valid today as it was 1000's of years ago when God ratified it with the Children of Israel. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by Nobody: 7:07am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: God's word is to be taught not for you to read and grasp it on your own! Jesus taught people and sent them out to teach others, if you're not ready to learn from those Jesus dispatched out to go and teach people from house to house you will end up hating the Bible! Jehovah's Witnesses have been preaching and teaching for the past 100 years now, last year marks a century that this group has been preaching and teaching people in their homes! From 1919 ~ 2019 until Covid19 made them to call off all their kingdom evangelizers globally, they're now teaching ONLY those who have been welcoming them into their homes. Try to find them and study the Bible with them, you'll be surprised that what you are reading requires deeper thought than most readers just take it. If you want to test their intellect on this, you can engage me in a discussion now but i can only do a little because the owner of the book says we must TEACH you FACE TO FACE! 1 Like |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 7:19am On Jun 09, 2020 |
Maximus69:Seriously i always take JW tooo serious; i always love to engage them. I would hv love to be one, if not for some contradicting beliefs. You guys practice christianity best. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 7:20am On Jun 09, 2020 |
ghostofsparta:Ok; educate me on what argument is, if not a bone of contestion whr someone has to come up top. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 7:24am On Jun 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Somewhere in your last paragraph sir; what will be the judgement standard for those before the old covenant? |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by Kobojunkie: 7:26am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins:Hint: What did Peter say Jesus did while He was in the grave? |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by ghostofsparta(m): 7:33am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins:Join this WhatsApp group I created and let's discuss it all there - - - -> https://chat .whatsapp .com /FZv8b0m8HkeGJytOydwy86 (remember to delete the spaces between) |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 7:36am On Jun 09, 2020 |
ghostofsparta:Not a good idea for me; i tend to give in and think about what i hear or see... I think i will do well to avoid anything you will hv to say on this particular topic. But hey; we could discuss extensively(argue) on football |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 7:52am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: Fistly your tittle is misleading . Maybe others didn’t observe . It’s Jesus the scripture was attributed to not God Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. And please dont come and tell me about the blood of jesus. There are two kinds of ignorance . One is lack of knowledge , the other is ignoring knowledge .I guess you have chosen the other Cos at a time; God actually do eat this sacrifices(Gen 15:9-10 skip to 17) wrong God does not eat sacrifice as attributed to your so called ancestral gods. Sacrifices were offered by fire .the fire converts the sacrifice to a sweet aroma It is the aroma that we’re pleasing to him . Until the death of Jesus the untimate sacrifice who’s death was accepted by fire and became aroma and based on that whatever we give to God today is converted to aroma even our work of service of prayers 1 Like |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 8:07am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: The Bible never said God cannot change in his opration. He does change his operation . He even repents . He changes his mind . Is that not why we pray and intercede for siners? Exodus 32:11-13 And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people . . . repent of this evil against thy people. . . . .And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. 2 Likes |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 8:09am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: Conscience . The conscience is Gods witness in every generation |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by MuttleyLaff: 8:12am On Jun 09, 2020 |
petra1:Gbam! The method can change, but the method Handler doesn't change. If you know, you know. Who no know, well sorry for you. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 8:22am On Jun 09, 2020 |
petra1:Then by this; you mean the end should justify the means. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 8:24am On Jun 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Actually i know. But some christians still perform fetishness, say the C&S |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by Nobody: 8:24am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: Something could rightly be pronounced as CONTRADICTING when those making use of it are not ORGANIZED and ORDERLY! For instance, how would you view a man who stands at a distance looking at a group of people well organized and orderly in everything they do, but complaining that what they're saying is contradicting? Please contradiction is peculiar to disarray not orderliness! So it's the contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines of their opposers that you're contemplating instead of concentrating on the outcome of the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 7:16-18 God bless you! 1 Like |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 8:28am On Jun 09, 2020 |
Maximus69:here i was hoping you will ask about one of this belief i find inappropiate if not contradictn |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by Kobojunkie: 8:29am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: Peter said nothing about the conscience being the guide. According to Peter, Jesus preached to the spirits that were there at the time before the Law of Moses. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 8:31am On Jun 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Bad Joke! |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by MuttleyLaff: 8:34am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins:Some people are still rooted to the ground and not in the air soaring and flying because they dont appreciate and embrace the law of aerodynamics that defies and renders impotent and powerless, talking here of the law, that obeys the principle of gravity (i.e. what goes up, must come down) |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by Nobody: 8:53am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: I know most of these things because i was once a Muslim, and i've listened to so many critics of JWs. So i know you're also experiencing the same thing that's why i said you should ask them questions FACE TO FACE on this issue. But all the same let me hear what you've got perhaps it's not the usual, i just want you to know that now i can handle any question raised against JWs but since you can't see me, there are expressions you will notice in my face to know if i truthfully believe (trust) in what i'm saying or i'm just being credulous! As a former military intelligence officer, i can decode if someone is just mimicking what he is programmed to say or if he's certain of what he's saying! Please share your experience with me, i'm having some business deals for now but never mind i'm still very much with you! |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 8:58am On Jun 09, 2020 |
Maximus69:well; its just one in particular. On the issue of Blood Trans |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 9:05am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: Conscience is a witness of right and wrong. That is why we have judicial system in every culture. Murder,stealing will always be wrong. God judge people based on the light they have |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 9:07am On Jun 09, 2020 |
Romans 2:11-15 For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another 1 Like |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by pablobellins(m): 9:28am On Jun 09, 2020 |
petra1:No; i think conscience is the inner judge of right or wrong. And not the witness. There are times i do bad things my conscience dont frown on. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by MuttleyLaff: 9:40am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: petra1: pablobellins: petra1: MuttleyLaff:petra1, but some people having a seared conscience |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 9:47am On Jun 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Yes true. People can violate the conscience. But conscience in its neutrality is pure. Adam and even already had a "law" they dont need any conscientiousnes except its based on the instruction or "law God gave them but they acted against the instruction. Conscience ought to fall in line with the light they have been given 1 Like |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 9:50am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: That's true . But when you do bad you know. Even though you justify it but you still know it's bad. E.g revenge . |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by MuttleyLaff: 9:54am On Jun 09, 2020 |
petra1:Well, true, true, well said. What Makes Man? Or better still what is man? Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul, so Man is made up of Body, Soul (i.e. uses the heart as an outlet) and Spirit. The Soul has the body and spirit on each opposite sides of it. In a nutshell, Man essentially, is a spirit being with a soul, housed, encapsulated, and/or wrapped up in a human being body suit The spirit and soul have different faculties, and so the faculties of the spirit, comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition, whilst the faculties of the Soul comprises of the Mind (i.e. consciousness and sub consciousness) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions and the Body has 5 faculties of senses, which are, to see, via the eyes, hear, via the ears, feel, via applicable part of the body, smell, via the nose and taste, via the mouth. petra1:Some people have lost that ability to know bad from good. It's similar to losing sense of taste, smell, sight, hearing, feeling pain or not et cetera 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by Nobody: 10:33am On Jun 09, 2020 |
pablobellins: Thanks for expressing the deeper things in your heart with me! Blood transfusion became a means of life saving method when people discovered that blood could be made available to people suffering from shortage of blood during treatment. So because of it's significance majority buy the idea, but Jehovah's Witnesses always look into matters critically before we join the subscribers! 1Thessalonians 5:21 Our people began a research on the issue to know if it's benefitial or detrimental, our main concern is Godly wisdom not the way people view things. We discovered that of all the laws God gave the Israelites, one seems to be there before, during and after the laws was no more in effect, this is the law having to do with blood! Genesis 9:4 ~ Leviticus 3:17~ Act 15:29 Note that this instruction runs through the life of God's ancient people, even animals strangled must not be eaten because the blood is not drained. So our brothers began praying fervently on the matter and doing thorough research on it's complications, they discovered that the blood of each creature is safe only when preserved in the body of the creature, if it should be shared with any other creature something disastrous will be the result. That's why our brothers work thing out by going for alternatives instead of blood transfusion. Granted it may cost the life of the one who rejects it now but there is no certainty that the patient will live. And the aftermath may be worse than what people are trying to prevent. I personally had an experience many years ago when a strange illness strike me, all the medicine my mother and the family applied didn't yield positivity so i was taken to the hospital where the doctor transfused blood in my body, then the sickness got worse, then i was taken to an herbalist who told my mother that the strange blood in my body must be drained first before he could treat me but he assured my mother that i'll live. So my mother cried and cried because she believed in the doctors than the herbalist but frustration led her to the herbalist. My friend, the man gave me a powder to lick and drink water afterwards, to everyone the blood came out through urine. It lasted for almost 20 minutes until i became a skeleton, then my mother started crying again, it was after the so called blood has been drained that the man began applying his own method of treatment and within the next two weeks i was discharged! So if Jehovah's Witnesses say blood transfusion is not safe, i am not just on their side out of credulity i believe what they are saying because of my own personal experience! 1 Like |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by petra1(m): 10:34am On Jun 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: It’s true, then they are going to hell. |
Re: Is God Really The Same Yday; Today And Forever More. by MuttleyLaff: 10:46am On Jun 09, 2020 |
petra1:Ouch. So, last bus stop, for hell, death and them, is the Lake of fire, then? |
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