No!!

ichuka:


No!!

What are your reasons?

OLAADEGBU:


What are your reasons?

If he confesses and repents of his sins .hes forgiven.John20:23,
Remember every child of God has a ministry
According to His Devine purpose which must be fulfilled .

ichuka:


If he confesses and repents of his sins .hes forgiven.John20:23,
Remember every child of God has a ministry
According to His Devine purpose which must be fulfilled .

What did Paul say the church should do in this instance?

OLAADEGBU:


What did Paul say the church should do in this instance?

Quote it pls not out of context

ichuka:


Quote it pls not out of context

1 Corinthians 5:1-13

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i don't think the church is a law court. If Paul got justice from the church, he should be dead for killing people.

Paul did what he did as an unbeliever and we know that the times of ignorance God has given a pass. A pastor is a different kettle altogether. What would you say of this pastor in the link below who allegedly impregnated a lady and connived with her to evacuate the unborn baby. The lady died in the process. Should the church restore the pastor to his position after forgiveness?

https://www.withinnigeria.com/2020/06/10/aau-student-impregnated-by-a-pastor-reportedly-dies-due-to-complications-from-abortion/

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Jangilova wickedness is living for Jesus, Na wa oh. New things every day. Who wants to torture you? Is selling awake to be happy not enough a self and kingdom hall inflicted torture on its own. Who sent you into the sun with heavy bags loaded with awake? Now, you're accusing others of torture?
For safety sake, I'll have to henceforth ignore you as dante gave advice. i never knew you were on the torture stake by my response. Who knows, i don't want you to end it. Then the NCDC may Jack up dem numbers and scare us all.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11709571_thefearparade_jpeg295fa70c20fe5a39d594dfea2db52104

NCDC are really into the business of scare tactics.

orisa37:


SUCH PASTORS AREN'T BORN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WILL BE VERY DANGEROUS TO THE PROFESSION.

Are you saying they were never born again in the first instance?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you saying they were never born again in the first instance?

Yes please.

OLAADEGBU:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/11709571_thefearparade_jpeg295fa70c20fe5a39d594dfea2db52104

NCDC are really into the business of scare tactics.

Make my guy no enter the statistics ni, i love my neighbour JW.

OLAADEGBU:


Paul did what he did as an unbeliever and we know that the times of ignorance God has given a pass. A pastor is a different kettle altogether. What would you say of this pastor in the link below who allegedly impregnated a lady and connived with her to evacuate the unborn baby. The lady died in the process. Should the church restore the pastor to his position after forgiveness?

https://www.withinnigeria.com/2020/06/10/aau-student-impregnated-by-a-pastor-reportedly-dies-due-to-complications-from-abortion/

If God forgives the pastor, there is no reason why the church should not forgive the pastor. The real issue though is that many of these people are not even genuine christians in the first place, just people soiling the name of God by titles. But if a genuine christian sins and is restored to the kingdom, it should be a small thing to be restored to church work(if he is still genuinely interested). Only thing is strings may be attached so as to avoid a repeat and to help the fellow. Paul fumbled as an unbeliever, but Peter, David, Jonah, John Mark, Samson all made their fumbles after being men of God. i think God's forgiveness and restoration was the same.

OLAADEGBU:


https://www.christianpost.com/news/should-pastors-caught-in-adultery-be-permanently-banned-from-ministry-john-piper-answers.html

He said 'a disqualified Pastor'.
Disqualified Pastor? Who disqualified him? Did Jesus disqualify him?
Why the hell.did I just read?
The writer of this article is malicious, selfrighteous and unforgiving.
If Jesus treats us this way, none of us will stand today.

He talks about Adultery as though adultery as not as damning as pride (which by the way is loaded in this article).
Adultery is seen when it is committed, who sees Pride, Malice and unforgiveness?

If someone falls and repents, that's it. Na you call am into ministry to determine when he leaves?

OLAADEGBU:


Where is your alter ego BudaAtum?

Budaatum is not Otem

OLAADEGBU:


Will you accept a pastor over you who was 'caught in the act' either with your wife or your daughter, even if he has repented and has been reinstated?

What did Jesus do to the woman caught in the Act sir? Or do you consider the salvation of the pastor more real than the woman the Lord forgave?

OLAADEGBU:


Knowing fully well that the Pastor has been reinstated by the church, will you personally sit under the ministration of a pastor who was caught committing adultery?

Yes.
Wld you say if the Lord beams his light towards you right now, he won't find a spot of sin? Aren't you still preaching?

OLAADEGBU:


Why would it be damaging? Allowing adulterous Pastors running rampage in the church is what is damaging and is contrary to God's design.

I thought you said he is repentant and has served his suspension? Isn't that the case with that pastor?
Ia he walking around like nothing happened?

OLAADEGBU:


I hope such churches that permit those adulterers in their pulpits do not recover after this pandemic.

Wow. Just wow.

OLAADEGBU:


This is one of the reasons the world does not take the church serious.

Did the World take the Lord Serious while He was here in the Flesh?

The Church was not instituted for the world to take it seriously. The World will never take the Church seriously because the Church and the world are parallel in everything they stand for.

The World picked stones just like you are doing now to kill someone, The Lord forgave her.
Thats the difference between the Lord and rhe World.
Unforgiveness is a grave sin Olaadegbu

Maximus69:


Banish!

William Tyndale was burnt alive by your ancestors (Church Pharisees)!

Do you know that lying is a sin? The Hellenistic Catholic Church burned Tyndale, not the Church of Jesus Christ.
You will never come by any place the Lord instructed that those who do not believe in him shd be burned. So pls stop telling lies.

Lairs have their place in the lake of fire.

OLAADEGBU:


What did Paul say the church should do in this instance?

Paul says in Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Anas09:
Do you know that lying is a sin? The Hellenistic Catholic Church burned Tyndale, not the Church of Jesus Christ.
You will never come by any place the Lord instructed that those who do not believe in him shd be burned. So pls stop telling lies.

Lairs have their place in the lake of fire.

You responded as if you don't know that Maximus69 lives in a JW bubble world. The difference between the Hellenistic Catholic Church and the Catholic Church of Jesus Christ means nothing to him.

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If God forgives the pastor, there is no reason why the church should not forgive the pastor. The real issue though is that many of these people are not even genuine christians in the first place, just people soiling the name of God by titles. But if a genuine christian sins and is restored to the kingdom, it should be a small thing to be restored to church work(if he is still genuinely interested). Only thing is strings may be attached so as to avoid a repeat and to help the fellow. Paul fumbled as an unbeliever, but Peter, David, Jonah, John Mark, Samson all made their fumbles after being men of God. i think God's forgiveness and restoration was the same.

We are talking about those who were once born again rose through the ranks to become a pastor in a church and not just to be restored to church work but to the position as a pastor of the flock. How will the vulnerable whose lives had been destroyed or the parents whose daughter has been killed through the abortion attempt at the hands of the pastor, feel when being ministered to by this same pastor?

The same God that forgives is also a the same God of Justice. The church should forgive the pastor but must it foster the repentant pastor on the vulnerable flock again? This is where the world is doing better than the church, if a care worker or teacher has been adjudged to have committed sexual abuse on the vulnerable wards, after serving his term he would be placed on a sex register not to work with the vulnerable again but in the church he would be allowed to continue from where he stopped. We don't seem to have learnt any lesson from the child abuse prevalent in the Roman Catholic Church.

Samson's case was that of immorality and did he not pay with his own life?

Anas09:


He said 'a disqualified Pastor'.
Disqualified Pastor? Who disqualified him? Did Jesus disqualify him?
Why the hell.did I just read?
The writer of this article is malicious, selfrighteous and unforgiving.
If Jesus treats us this way, none of us will stand today.

Only Jesus can qualify us, no one is qualified themselves to be a pastor but the question is; Is a pastor not disqualified from his position, not his position in the body of Christ but as a Pastor in the Lord's church.

Anas09:


He talks about Adultery as though adultery as not as damning as pride (which by the way is loaded in this article).
Adultery is seen when it is committed, who sees Pride, Malice and unforgiveness?

If someone falls and repents, that's it. Na you call am into ministry to determine when he leaves?

Adultery actually starts in the mind/heart as Jesus said in Matthew 5:28 but he can be forgiven if he repents. The article is not saying that they cannot be forgiven but are you saying that the victims should accept him as their pastor after their trust has been broken?

Anas09:


Budaatum is not Otem

He/She established that point.

Anas09:


What did Jesus do to the woman caught in the Act sir? Or do you consider the salvation of the pastor more real than the woman the Lord forgave?

You are missing the point this article is making. It is agreed that the pastor has been forgiven and restored. The question we are asking is whether it is right for the "disqualified" to be qualified again as a pastor?

Anas09:

Yes.
Wld you say if the Lord beams his light towards you right now, he won't find a spot of sin? Aren't you still preaching?

Preaching to me is not exclusive to Pastors alone so we are not talking about preaching here. Let me break it down a bit. If you have a daughter who was impregnated by your pastor and she died as a result and you later found out that the pastor was responsible for your daughter's death, if the pastor admits to his sin and repents and is forgiven by God and is then restored to the pulpit as a pastor, would you comfortable sit under his ministration?

Anas09:


I thought you said he is repentant and has served his suspension? Isn't that the case with that pastor?
Ia he walking around like nothing happened?

This is exactly why I feel the secular world is doing better protecting the vulnerable in the society. Look at how this same attitude allowed the pastor who abused Busola Dakolo to go unpunished and the religious folks feel righteous in saying that the pastor has been forgiven by God. No one is considering the plight of the victims until the secular world steps in to bring about "justice."

Anas09:


Wow. Just wow.

By saying "Wow" you agree that adulterous pastors should be occupying the pulpit, no?

Anas09:


Did the World take the Lord Serious while He was here in the Flesh?

He made an impact in the lives of those who took Him serious and today we see what changes they have made to the world.

Anas09:


The Church was not instituted for the world to take it seriously. The World will never take the Church seriously because the Church and the world are parallel in everything they stand for.

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid" (Matthew 5:14).

If the world didn't take them serious why was it said that His disciples turned the world upside down? He made history, as a matter of fact it was His-story. The world is still referencing the date according to Christ (B.C. and A.D.) Should I go on?

Anas09:


The World picked stones just like you are doing now to kill someone, The Lord forgave her.
Thats the difference between the Lord and rhe World.
Unforgiveness is a grave sin Olaadegbu

The difference between apples and oranges is clear. God forgives sinners and backsliders (including pastors) from all iniquities when they repent, no one is arguing about that. While it is agreed that their sins had been forgiven the misguided "church" is getting it wrong that their should be no restitution or justice because he/she has been forgiven. Jesus forgives and is just. There should be forgiveness and justice. Does it even sound right for the world to say that you cannot find justice in the church except in the courts of law?

Anas09:


Paul says in Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

That is not the case here, my sister.

OLAADEGBU:


We are talking about those who were once born again rose through the ranks to become a pastor in a church and not just to be restored to church work but to the position as a pastor of the flock. How will the vulnerable whose lives had been destroyed or the parents whose daughter has been killed through the abortion attempt at the hands of the pastor, feel when being ministered to by this same pastor?

The affected will feel same way they'll feel anytime they see him or remember him, pastor or no pastor. It's up to them to truly forgive who God has forgiven, else they'll unfortunately go to hellwhile he may go to Heaven. That's the funny side of forgiveness.

The same God that forgives is also a the same God of Justice. The church should forgive the pastor but must it foster the repentant pastor on the vulnerable flock again? This is where the world is doing better than the church, if a care worker or teacher has been adjudged to have committed sexual abuse on the vulnerable wards, after serving his term he would be placed on a sex register not to work with the vulnerable again but in the church he would be allowed to continue from where he stopped. We don't seem to have learnt any lesson from the child abuse prevalent in the Roman Catholic Church.

Samson's case was that of immorality and did he not pay with his own life?

The same God of forgiveness and justice had dealings with Peter, David, Miriam, Jonah, Samson, Nebuchadnezzar and co. These all kept their titles sir. i believe if Samson had asked for more from God, he'd have got more. He got exactly what he requested.