DappaD:

I'd like to correct you, it has no basis on Christendom. The truth or “accurate knowledge” of the Bible has been hidden from those who do not do the will of Jehovah. And that's that

Even from the Apostles and their followers in early days of the church as your colleague said. I guess it was hidden from them

It was revealed to JW only sadly errorneous modern day revelation not God's revelation.

hoopernikao:




Wrestling name of Jesus?
There is nothing we won't see on Nairaland.

You want me to juxtapose scriptures to see what isn't there? Do you juxtapose it when those who preach trinity ask you to? It is convenient to ask for juxtaposing a doctrine alien to the church.

Voice of angel, why is Jesus not trumpet of God then. He must be the trumpet to be blown too. You really made me remember book of my bible story. I think that book affected many.

How convenient to align voice of as to mean the person. Even in grammar, you will be laughed at.

So, when you are told that some speaks with the voice of a lion, he must be a lion from a bush then. So convenient. You guys need to calm down and start reading scriptures properly.

The argumentative nature is a female trait. FYI, I am not a JW. I wish you the best in life.

Maximus69:


Arguing BLINDLY is their hobby, but presenting proofs is what will silence them.

Pharisee were battle ready to continue arguing with Jesus and his followers, but when Jesus present proof of what he's saying, they couldn't refute his teachings. They wanted to challenge Jesus' followers but after seeing the evidence they were left dumbfounded.
Jehovah's Witnesses are saying this Jesus is the same angel Michael, just because of this Michael has supported this group and made them the one and only group having LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating their midst!
Hen ask him to provide evidence that they know the identity of Jesus nah?
It's not about arguments anymore, our generation is the most blessed of all, HOW?
When all other generations only had God's promises backed up with miracles to help faithful servants of God put faith in the promises they can't see it's fulfilment in sight, we are seeing the RECORDS of how God made those promises and not only that, we are eyewitnesses of it's fulfilments!
Our generation is seeing Paradise gradually taking shape as people from all nations that has been divided by geographical locations, racial prejudice and political unrest are coming together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!
All that is left now is for Jesus to come and wipe out those who will not allow Paradise to work for us with their stubbornness and rebellious attitudes.

Please instead of wasting precious time on arguments just ask him for the fine works of his TRINITY God, period! James 2:18-26

E nlè o. Brother fine work. Keep the muscle. But avoid using the scriptures.

hoopernikao:


Bro, Daniel 10:13 said one of. Didn't you see that? Can you readily twist that? One of? Means it's not consistent?

Also leave aside the wrestling of Jesus as Angel. You have no scriptures for that yet you consistently mentioning it.

One of the chief princes.

See below.

Ephesians 3:10
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

The word principalities here is from the same root "arche" which implies beginning of, the chiefs. Note that it is principalities and powers. That is chiefs, leaders. Refering to heavenly being.

The bible never mentioned number of arch angels and we must stay with bible narration. Making assumptions that we have only one because Michael is refered to as arch is dubious. Scriptures pointed that we have many of them.

If you understand bible narration, you will know that it will usually leave out names that isn't needed in discussion, hence the reason for Michael mentioned.

You will only be dubious to see "one of the princes" and said Daniel made a mistake.

The same Hebrew word (Strong's Hebrew 259) "Echad" (also pronounced hatchad) in Daniel 10:13 is at Genesis 4:19 where Lamech married two wives.. the name of one (first ) wife was Adah..."

In the context of Daniel 10:13 and Genesis 4:19 both words mean "First", the first of the Princes " at Daniel 10:13

Bros, your claim is FRAUDULENT.
The Screenshots here speaks for itself.

Janosky:

Na him way to argue blindly.
Hupernikao abi hoopernikao ,( whatever that means), please DESIST FROM EXPOSURE of your ignorance

You just woke up again?
Still waiting for the early preachers of your doctrine.

hoopernikao:



Even from the Apostles and their followers in early days of the church as your colleague said. I guess it was hidden from them

It was revealed to JW only sadly errorneous modern day revelation not God's revelation.

Daniel 12:4 says “in the end...the true knowledge would become abundant.”
We find ourselves in the time of the end, and the truth about the Bible has been made known already through Jehovah assisting his faithful Witnesses.

DappaD:

Daniel 12:4 says “in the end...the true knowledge would become abundant.”
We find ourselves in the time of the end, and the truth about the Bible has been made known already through Jehovah's holy spirit assisting his faithful Witnesses.

Holyghost dont reveal error o. Be careful.
A doctrine that has no foundation or practices in the early church, it is a dangerous doctrine,

Janosky:


The same Hebrew word (Strong's Hebrew 259) "Echad" (also pronounced hatchad) in Daniel 10:13 is at Genesis 4:19 where Lamech married two wives.. the name of one (first ) wife was Adah..."

In the context of Daniel 10:13 and Genesis 4:19 both words mean "First"

Bros, your claim is FRAUDULENT.
The Screenshots here speaks for itself.

You sha want to wrestle in your thought. Continue o. One of the chief princes was written there o. .

hoopernikao:


E nlè o. Brother fine work. Keep the muscle. But avoid using the scriptures.

The Bible is our book Sir!

If we don't tell you the secret behind this book, you will continue to read and study it, you and your TRINITY cohorts will never meet up with the requirements of pure worship! 2Timothy 3:7

So humble yourself and learn from those Jesus (Michael) is directing otherwise you will remain scattered {Luke 11:23} without no group to attach to because unity will can't work when Jesus is not with you people! John 17:21-23

Learn the secret Sir!
All the words found in the Bible was meditated by Michael (Jesus) that's why he is called the word of God, he brought all the information to inspired Bible writers who penned it down. Both Jesus and all the inspired writers are Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why only Jehovah's Witnesses can make good use of the book to benefit themselves! Isaiah 48:17-18

So take heart Sir, i myself wasn't born a JW i was a Muslim before i saw the light as Michael (Jesus) promised! Matthew 5:13-16
God bless you!

Acehart:


The argumentative nature is a female trait. FYI, I am not a JW. I wish you the best in life.

People like you are the ones who still carry placard around for female/woman equality and rights in the environment. Yet you dont know when to draw the line and see a trait in woman as diminishing. So much of a trait.

Well, i love such female trait, Jesus had it, Paul, Apostles, early church fathers and delivered to believers to defend false doctrine as yours above. So as much as you arent desisting from falsehood, you will always see a Sisi calling you out of your error.

And by the way, i am less concern whether you are JW or not, there are many branches of falsehood these days. They must be treated as same.

hoopernikao:


Holyghost dont reveal error o. Be careful.
A doctrine that has no foundation or practices in the early church, it is a dangerous doctrine,

BY THEIR FRUIT

Says Michael!

Adding good tree will not produce rotten fruit! Matthew 7:16-20

So let the world see the FRUIT of your TRINITY God Sir!

Maximus69:


The Bible is our book Sir!

If we don't tell you the secret behind this book, you will continue to read and study it, you and your TRINITY cohorts will never meet up with the requirements of pure worship! 2Timothy 3:7

So humble yourself and learn from those Jesus (Michael) is directing otherwise you will remain scattered {Luke 11:23} without no group to attach to because unity will can't work when Jesus is not with you people! John 17:21-23

Learn the secret Sir!
All the words found in the Bible was meditated by Michael (Jesus) that's why he is called the word of God, he brought all the information to inspired Bible writers who penned it down. Both Jesus and all the inspired writers are Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why only Jehovah's Witnesses can make good use of the book to benefit themselves! Isaiah 48:17-18

So take heart Sir, i myself wasn't born a JW i was a Muslim before i saw the light as Michael (Jesus) promised! Matthew 5:13-16
God bless you!

You that claimed that all the believers in the first church failed God? That no one was in the will of God? You are yet to tell me where your doctrine evolved from, Who is the father of your faith. No eye witness ni? Give just one.

That same bible you lay claim to was given to you by the failed church fathers. Is it that you people dont have conscience at all?

Well, i still need your evidence bro.

Maximus69:


BY THEIR FRUIT

Says Michael!

Adding good tree will not produce rotten fruit! Matthew 7:16-20

So let the world see the FRUIT of your TRINITY God Sir!

Distraction, let us face the discussion here. You can go and show the fruit in another thread.

DappaD:

Daniel 12:4 says “in the end...the true knowledge would become abundant.”
We find ourselves in the time of the end, and the truth about the Bible has been made known already through Jehovah assisting his faithful Witnesses.

So much of the truth.

hoopernikao:


You that claimed that all the believers in the first church failed God? That no one was in the will of God? You are yet to tell me where your doctrine evolved from, Who is the father of your faith. No eye witness ni? Give just one.

That same bible you lay claim to was given to you by the failed church fathers. Is it that you people dont have conscience at all?

Well, i still need your evidence bro.

There was nothing as Church fathers my friend!

Jesus condemned such a thing {Matthew 23:8-12} so true Christians don't refer to themselves as church fathers because the founder of Christianity condemned it!

From Peter to members of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses today, all of us are brothers Sir!

In all,

I still awaits the scriptures that turn Jesus into an angel.
I also desire to read the text of anyone known in the early church (1st and 2nd Century) that preached Jesus as Angel.

Else, stop propagating falsehood.

hoopernikao:


Distraction, let us face the discussion here. You can go and show the fruit in another thread.

What you're looking for is arguments after your so called Church father's key TRINITY has failed to open the door to LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in the midst of Trinitarians worldwide now all you want to do is argue.

Abegi Apostle Paul said "once you have noticed all these fruits in any group, Please! Please!! Please!!! Don't think there is any law you can use AGAINST them!" Galatians 5:22-23

A word is enough for the wise!

Maximus69:


There was nothing as Church fathers my friend!

Jesus condemned such a thing {Matthew 23:8-12} so true Christians don't refer to themselves as church fathers because the founder of Christianity condemned it!

From Peter to members of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses today, all of us are brothers Sir!

This post you wrote above, get to your kingdom hall and show one of your elder there, he will sit you down and give you lectures for additional one year. Then send you on further studies on your doctrine and believe.

But i will make it easy for you. Go and read your JW materials very well, none deny the existence of church fathers. None. They will only try to wrestle their teaching just as you are doing now with the bible. But sadly, my question today for you cannot even be wrestled into their teaching as NONE, i say again NONE of them say anything close to Jesus as Angel either my omission, mistake, deliberate, accident or dream. None.

This is the reason you are in a corner now to deny them. But when you deny such, you end up leaving yourself in the middle of the sea without connection to the source.

hoopernikao:
In all,

I still awaits the scriptures that turn Jesus into an angel.
I also desire to read the text of anyone known in the early church (1st and 2nd Century) that preached Jesus as Angel.

Else, stop propagating falsehood.

You can only go and hugg the transformer Sir!

As long as we're making LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign everywhere people accept our teachings, your argument has failed! Isaiah 54:17

hoopernikao:
In all,

I still awaits the scriptures that turn Jesus into an angel.
I also desire to read the text of anyone known in the early church (1st and 2nd Century) that preached Jesus as Angel.

Else, stop propagating falsehood.

Malachi 3:1 and 2 Thess1:7-9 are there in your Bible...Go REMOVE AM

You have ZERO love for Bible Truth, you love attention and arguments.
Please stay safe

hoopernikao:




This post you wrote above, get to your kingdom hall and show one of your elder there, he will sit you down and give you lectures for additional one year. Then send you on further studies on your doctrine and believe.

But i will make it easy for you. Go and read your JW materials very well, none deny the existence of church fathers. None. They will only try to wrestle their teaching just as you are doing now with the bible. But sadly, my question today for you cannot even be wrestled into their teaching as NONE, i say again NONE of them say anything close to Jesus as Angel either my omission, mistake, deliberate, accident or dream. None.

This is the reason you are in a corner now to deny them. But when you deny such, you end up leaving yourself in the middle of the sea without connection to the source.

Where are the WITNESSES of your TRINITY God?

Jehovah's Witnesses are everywhere making PEACE reign in the midst of all those who accepts our message!

Maximus69:


What you're looking for is arguments after your so called Church father's key TRINITY has failed to open the door to LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in the midst of Trinitarians worldwide now all you want to do is argue.

Abegi Apostle Paul said "once you have noticed all these fruits in any group, Please! Please!! Please!!! Don't think there is any law you can use AGAINST them!" Galatians 5:22-23

A word is enough for the wise!

You see, the day i will take you on this issue of one group, one group is not today. But the day will come and i hope you will be able to defend it too.

I have told you sometimes back that i am not in a rush to discuss and expose any misinterpretation you do. It is a long haul and i will be here. I may chose to be on sideline most times believing God will touch your heart to the truth, but i will always step in when your conscience isnt judging you anymore.

So, ensure what ever you say, you have evidence and truth to back it up.

Janosky:

Malachi 3:1 and 2 Thess1:7-9 are there in your Bible...Go REMOVE AM

You have ZERO love for Bible Truth, you love attention and arguments.
Please stay safe

How distracting can these folks be.

We ask you for A, you are say W.

Cant you show me what i asked you since? So much of angel turned Jesus

Maximus69:


You can only go and hugg the transformer Sir!

As long as we're making LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign everywhere people accept our teachings, your argument has failed! Isaiah 54:17

I have told you to always be detailed in your expressions. So, why cant you give me specification of the transformer Sir.

hoopernikao:


I have told you to always be detailed in your expressions. So, why cant you give me specification of the transformer Sir.

You have chosen not to accept the evidence presented to you from the Bible and still want to keep up with your former thinking.
ALL the evidence have been laid before you, yet you refuse. As Witnesses and true Christians, we follow Jesus' admonition where he told us to shake the “dust off [our] feet” when our teaching is not received. Matthew 10:14,15 and Luke 9:5
Jehovah's Witnesses are looking for deserving ones(Matthew 10:11) and not haughty/stubborn people.

DappaD:

You have chosen not to accept the evidence presented to you from the Bible and still want to keep up with your former thinking.
ALL the evidence have been laid before you, yet you refuse. As Witnesses and true Christians, we follow Jesus' admonition where he told us to shake the “dust off [our] feet” when our teaching is not received. Matthew 10:14,15 and Luke 9:5
Jehovah's Witnesses are looking for deserving ones(Matthew 10:11) and not haughty/stubborn people.

Evidence? That Jesus is called Michael? Where sir?
The evidence you gave me is that i should be juxtaposing and infer. If we stay with that anyone can tell us to infer and one day if care is not taking, you will infer that there is no God.

I will advise you briefly this time.

Sit down again and restudy your theology, i have given you questions to ponder on. Do, dont neglect it. You cant claim to hold to a doctrine that have no foundation in the church practices. If you truly seek God, seek him with open heart and you will find him. Leave scriptures manipulation for the Antichrists and embrace Christ.

hoopernikao:


You see, the day i will take you on this issue of one group, one group is not today. But the day will come and i hope you will be able to defend it too.

I have told you sometimes back that i am not in a rush to discuss and expose any misinterpretation you do. It is a long haul and i will be here. I may chose to be on sideline most times believing God will touch your heart to the truth, but i will always step in when your conscience isnt judging you anymore.

So, ensure what ever you say, you have evidence and truth to back it up.

My friend, arguing doesn't change anything, those who accepted the truth in the first century never did because of arguments, Jesus said "my father bears Witness about me" of course Pharisees weren't there when God bear Witness verbally concerning Jesus, but the works God's holy spirit is backing him up to do is evidence of his authenticity!

Instead of arguing, just present the WORKS of your TRINITY God, that's all!

hoopernikao:



I will come to all the verses you mentioned above. But you didnt answer my question.

Show me where Jesus is called Michael in the bible. Show me the exact text of the scriptures.

I don't know if you had read this Awake magazine before where this image below was CUT OUT FROM. I believe it is in line with the question you post to the person you are in DISCUSSION with. I don't think he has seen this before yet that is what the ORGANIZATION wrote.

If he were to answer your QUESTION above it should be according to the way the ORGANIZATION he is a member of put it in this AWAKE below and considering the audience for the awake MAGAZINE (the GENERAL PUBLIC).

That should not be hard to do for him but that's what HAPPENS when someone see HERBERT MACAULEY WAY as equal to THIRD MAINLAND BRIDGE because it is said Herbert Macauley way LINKS the third mainland bridge.


https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g20020208/Who-Is-Michael-the-Archangel/

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel

hoopernikao:


I have told you to always be detailed in your expressions. So, why cant you give me specification of the transformer Sir.

Your bitterness against the fine works of God's holy spirit means nothing to those seeking the TRUTH, you're here to argue whether Jehovah's Witnesses got the identity of Jesus correctly or not.
The same Jesus said those who are with him will be identified by the LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering, everyone globally can see that happening in the midst of JWs yet you're still bent on arguing that they never got the identity of the Prince of Peace.
Haba, why not try make your TRINITY God perform the needed task instead of arguing bitterly, profusely and blindly like this?

Maximus69:


Your bitterness against the fine works of God's holy spirit means nothing to those seeking the TRUTH, you're here to argue whether Jehovah's Witnesses got the identity of Jesus correctly or not.
The same Jesus said those who are with him will be identified by the LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering, everyone globally can see that happening in the midst of JWs yet you're still bent on arguing that they never got the identity of the Prince of Peace.
Haba, why not try make your TRINITY God perform the needed task instead of arguing bitterly, profusely and blindly like this?

We wonder what their supposed 3-in-1 God has promised them as his followers.

DappaD:

We wonder what their supposed 3-in-1 God has promised them as his followers.

Oga you have forgotten that their is JESUS CHRIST someplace somewhere in that 3 in 1 that they follow and hold in HIGH ESTEEM and you agree they CALL on his name same WAY you do.

Their master will give them their DUE PROMISE don't wonder about. Just as you get yours from your master, they will get THEIRS.

hoopernikao:


Please what is the word used for principalities there and what meaning dies it carry in Greek. Government? . Spiritual government abi? So what in the government does Arche refers to.

I think he knows how ARCH relates to PRINCIPAL, even the awake cited above shows .........the archangel,” the prefix “arch” meaning “chief,” or “principal.”