hoopernikao:


I think it's hightime I agreed with people that some of you in JW aren't Christians. Using bible is not enough evidence to show as Christian. It is obvious that something is missing somewhere which you need to seek. The salvation of your soul is supreme, take heed to it.

DappaD:

Oga if you have nothing better to do, stay one place and stop quoting my messages again!

DappaD:


In Jesus' time, the Pharisees believed in the law of Moses but that didn't make them rightly disposed for everlasting life. The Samaritan woman who met Jesus once knew the signs that would indicate who the Messiah was but that didn't make her at the time rightly disposed for everlasting life. Likewise today, that people know God exists and Jesus came to the earth is not enough for them to gain everlasting life. Read John 17:3 please, it reads “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you[footnote: their taking in knowledge of you], the only true God[Jehovah], and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” That Bible verse shows the clear distinction between God and his son, Jesus. You think people believing that God is a trinity will gain everlasting life? When that isn't the accurate knowledge?

Show me another organization in the world that readily makes use of God's personal name, Jehovah? (Psalm 83:18)
Romans 10:13 reads, “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved” you think organizations denying or hiding God's name as Jehovah will come any closer to gaining everlasting life?

Again, since you are making distinctions, show me another organization in this world that believes only God's Kingdom can solve all of mankind's problems(Daniel 2:44). While the religions of the world prostitute with the world leaders, run for political offices and keep alliances with the nations, thinking they can bring peace and security and prosperity to the world, will you one day see any Jehovah's Witness partaking in such nonsense?(Isaiah 2:4) We, as true Christians know it is only God's Kingdom who can put an end to all of the suffering, bad governments and stubborn people who refuse to acknowledge Jehovah and his Son Jesus Christ in the world today. (Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Matthew 6:9,10; Romans 2:8; 2Peter 3:7,13; 2Thessalonians 1:7-10; Revelation 21:3,4)

Maximus69:


You don't know him!

His beef here is you should not maintain that only one Organization belongs to Jehovah, to him all those over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians even the Muslims are all worshipers of Jehovah as long as they're all praying to God. So no matter how they call God or worship God only want them to be good from human standpoint that's all!

Maximus69:


You don't know him!

His beef here is you should not maintain that only one Organization belongs to Jehovah, to him all those over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians even the Muslims are all worshipers of Jehovah as long as they're all praying to God. So no matter how they call God or worship God only want them to be good from human standpoint that's all!

achorladey:


DappaD: In Jesus' time, the Pharisees believed in the law of Moses but that didn't make them rightly disposed for everlasting life.

Achorladey: Perhaps you don't know the difference between BOOK KNOWLEDGE and actually KNOWING something. The PHARISEES know book KNOWLEDGE and added their TRADITIONS to it. But do they BELIEVE what they KNOW? Jesus said they TALK but they don't DO. So how can we say they BELIEVE what they KNOW. They kept SEARCHING the SCRIPTURES every now and then yet the REAL thing was BEFORE THEM yet they don't BELIEVE. Says so much about the book KNOWLEDGE of the PHARISEES


DappaD: The Samaritan woman who met Jesus once knew the signs that would indicate who the Messiah was but that didn't make her at the time rightly disposed for everlasting life.

Achorladey: So when did she became ONE DISPOSED to everlasting LIFE? Jesus set up another discussion with her apart from the initial one abi?

DappaD: Likewise today, that people know God exists and Jesus came to the earth is not enough for them to gain everlasting life. Read John 17:3 please, it reads “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you[footnote: their taking in knowledge of you], the only true God[Jehovah], and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”

Achorladey: The above looks CONTRADICTORY. You said it's not ENOUGH in one place the BIBLE said OTHERWISE. Perhaps expansiate.

DappaD: That Bible verse shows the clear distinction between God and his son, Jesus.

Achorladey: Interesting

DappaD: You think people believing that God is a trinity will gain everlasting life? When that isn't the accurate knowledge?

Achorladey: You think people believing and PUTTING FAITH IN A VISIBLE ORGANIZATION will gain EVERLASTING LIFE? When that isn't accurate knowledge?

DappaD: Show me another organization in the world that readily makes use of God's personal name, Jehovah? (Psalm 83:18)

Achorladey: I will show more ORGANIZATION in the world that READILY MAKE USE of the name of a PERSON who the scripture said COMES in the FATHER'S NAME and the name of the FATHER is within HIM? In fact the father said WE SHOULD all BOW and OPENLY acknowledged that name. How about that?

You shout JEHOVAH, I shout JESUS, what difference does it make?

DappaD: Romans 10:13 reads, “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved” you think organizations denying or hiding God's name as Jehovah will come any closer to gaining everlasting life?

Achorladey: Everyone who call on the NAME of JESUS will be SAVED. That they don't call on the name of JEHOVAH don't mean they will not be SAVED. Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no SALVATION in ANYONE ELSE for there is no other name under HEAVEN that has been GIVEN AMONG men by which we MUST get SAVED.

Don't you think Peter should be STONED to death for BLASPHEMY when he KNEW we can equally call on JEHOVAH and be SAVED and yet he went ahead to say no SALVATION in ANYONE ELSE


DappaD: Again, since you are making distinctions, show me another organization in this world that believes only God's Kingdom can solve all of mankind's problems(Daniel 2:44).

Achorladey: I can only laugh, in your HEART of HEART when you asked the householder you preach to, do they BELIEVE that God's kingdom is coming to SOLVE our problems? What did they tell YOU?

DappaD: While the religions of the world prostitute with the world leaders, run for political offices and keep alliances with the nations, thinking they can bring peace and security and prosperity to the world, will you one day see any Jehovah's Witness partaking in such nonsense?(Isaiah 2:4)

Achorladey: I will only say DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY the ORGANIZATION you are a member of work for these governments in supporting the PEACE, SECURITY and PROSPERITY attained so far. COVID-19 is a TESTAMENT to that. Take that to the BANK you go cash out. At least your organization get CHARITY aids from these GOVERNMENTS.


DappaD: We, as true Christians know it is only God's Kingdom who can put an end to all of the suffering, bad governments and stubborn people who refuse to acknowledge Jehovah and his Son Jesus Christ in the world today. (Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Matthew 6:9,10; Romans 2:8; 2Peter 3:7,13; 2Thessalonians 1:7-10; Revelation 21:3,4)

Achorladey: Every other person believe God's kingdom will come and that they GOOD numerous things to EASE SUFFERING, make life better, manageable and comfortable don't mean they lost hope in God's Kingdom Oga DappaD. When they BOW to the SON they acknowledged the FATHER LIKEWISE

DappaD:

We are done with you, keep wallowing in your ignorance. DO NOT QUOTE ME AGAIN.

DappaD:


They are the type of people Jesus described at Matthew 7:22,23
People in such religions believe it doesn't matter how you worship God. They have this “all way na way” mentality, meanwhile Matthew 7:13,14 tells us otherwise.

Even apostle Paul when witnessing to the Greeks told them that God had overlooked times of ignorance(Acts 17:30) so these church people cannot keep saying all channels lead to God, because then it would only lead to their destruction in the end.

Maximus69:


He is a die-hard Apostate that will continue looking forward to engage you in fruitless arguments, so avoiding him is just the best!

Rozz:


Was Jesus crucified on the cross?

How did Jesus die?

Maximus69:
Oh Rozz, your pastor is really battling really hard to hold you tight in his church but it's left to you my dear!


Jesus was executed the way Romans do execute any condemned criminal, the truth is back then Romans use a straight pole NOT a cross as Christendom Churches are been taught today.
The cross is another god on it's own, that's why they're all entized to worship it, notice how they so much cherish the instrument that's supposed to be what was used in killing their so called god!
The translators changed the pole to cross in all their versions, but you can Google "Roman execution of criminals in ancient times" because it's the same Romans that executed Jesus the same way they do to all condemned criminals back then!

Rozz:
lol

Maximus69:


They're saying Jesus died on the cross, but Roman authorities that executed him back then had nothing of that nature in their history.
That's the more reason why atheists are saying Jesus never existed at all, because the churches are putting up so many lies that can't be found in the history of the Romans whom the book said killed Jesus!

Moreover, if someone should kill my friend (not to talk of my God) what on earth will make me design a necklace like the instrument used in killing my friend?

So the Cross is another god on it's own which image the churches of Christendom are unknowingly erecting to disobey God! Exodus 20:4-5

Rozz:
hmm,i think it all started with the Catholics

Maximus69:
The Catholics started the Religion after their emperors like Nero have eliminated all the Apostles, Constantine who reigned in the third century wanted his empire to have peace so he merged Pagans along with those claiming Christians back then and that was how a committee was formed to establish a religion that will not be one sided.
Pagan Romans will accept it if it allows all their pagan festivities to continue, that's how Christmas, Easter, New year, Images in worship, repetitions in prayers (using rosaries), distinguishing the priests from ordinary worshipers, separating singers, making Rome the holy land and so on (which totally contradicts the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles) was initiated.
All these religionists claiming Christians today are only removing part of those things while keeping some to gather worshipers.
None of them thought of finding out if any of what Catholics taught them were so.
So when Jehovah's Witnesses began removing all those pagan traditions one by one, all these people started criticising JWs because they're not ready to change their man-made doctrines to meet God's Standards!

DappaD:

I give scriptural basis for all I say, but you and your followers here prefer to speak from your own hearts without providing any scriptural back up. That's too bad.

Maximus69:
I'm suspecting hoopernikao has been banned but i hope he can learn from the facts that there was no connection between the first century Christians and his so called Church fathers who passed on man-made traditions to him in the name of Jesus!

hoopernikao:


She asked you a bible question, you diverted to history to tarnish another body without a single scripture but when I asked you of your own history and the fathers who preaches your message, you said history isn't important and that there is nothing like that.

I guess, it's either you aren't following things you write or you just enjoy the inconsistency.

hoopernikao:


When you deny your history, you deny your existence.

If there is no connection between the apostles and the first century Christians, tell me who and where your doctrine of Jesus is Angel started. That is what I have been asking you for a full day.

I believe your doctrine have history, tell me the figure the church history that preached that heresy, you can't. Should that be hard?

Like I told you, you aren't a student of history and that is a big gap in knowledge.

A bible student must both be a student of history of the church and and the writings of its ordinance.

The bible is both historical and prophetical. Even the events of Jesus on earth must be traced to history and bible prophecy. So in essence, we never know anyone in the history of the first century church or believers to preach your doctrine. Then it has a faulty and deceptive foundation.

Maximus69:


@ bolded answers your inquiry Sir!

It was Rozz who asked me the question NOT you!

Perhaps you're not aware of the cordiality that's been going on in this thread before you came in!

Well Rozz knew me already that if it's to start quoting the scriptures to back what i'm saying, that's not a problem.
It's you that's now agitating over scriptural support even though your TRINITY God and cohorts can't produce a single fruitage of God's holy spirit.

Rozz already knows JWs are up to the task of quoting the scriptures to back up what we say!

hoopernikao:


Sorry, no familiarity takes the place of the scriptures. It's manipulation to leave the bible and start gisting on biblical question with the mindset of answering it. Don't hide behind friendship. Use the bible, or you don't believe it again? Quote it sir. It is the scriptures that give evidence not gist.

Maximus69:


There you go again, making the same mistake over as usual!

The Apostles are the first century Christians!

It's your so called church fathers who initiated the TRINITY that i'm talking about NOT the first century Christians (Apostles)

That's why you can never found the word TRINITY anywhere in their writings!

Maximus69:


You are the one having problems with the discuss sir NOT Rozz, she's just observing how things turn out!

So if you want to ask questions, i'll not only quote the scriptures but point to life events as in modern day fulfilment to back up what i'm saying Sir!

hoopernikao:


History isn't hidden. If I were you, I will take a break and go and read history. There are first and second century Christians known today to have been one of Jesus Apostles disciples and also met them. There are reliable Christians text from 1st and 2nd century that even your organization can't dispute and even use to defend your dogma yet fall away in proper context. It shows you don't read and not a good disciple of your organization.


So, show me one of those known Christian text that wrote about Jesus as Angel. At least they should have heard it from the apostles. Show me. Evidence prevail that some of them wrote as per the divinity of Christ as God, evidence prevail in their writings. Now, give me one who wrote about Jesus as Angel. You can't. Give me scriptures about it. You can't. Aren't you seeing yourself?

Is it gist and imagery of what is never documented that you want me to take? I still wait for your evidence to prove such falsehood.

hoopernikao:


What scriptures have you given that Jesus is Angel Michael in the bible. What scripture please.

DappaD:

Don't make it look like that subject matter hasn't been thoroughly explained before with the scriptures! Please if you're just joining this thread, this topic has already been explained with scriptural references to it. Check pages 27/28 and read through. The explanations there are all drawn from the Bible.
After you do that, please don't come back here and tell me “explain where Jesus is Angel” I'd be mad with you.

Maximus69:


What he wants you to quote is "Jesus is an angel and Michael was his angelic name" from the Bible!

They're just so funny at times, please why did they think the Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and Priests were arguing with Jesus?

Pharisee will simply tell everyone that the prophecies says the Messiah (Christ) will be called Emmanuel NOT Jesus! Isaiah 7:14, 8:8 compare to Matthew 1:23


How do you prove that Jesus is the Messiah when there was no scriptures that specifically mentioned that name "Jesus" in the prophecies?

So if he's not satisfied with comparisons provided and the fulfilment as PEACE is working in the midst of Jesus' true followers today, let him go back and meet his TRINITY God!

TATIME:


You guys started it!
Why do you ask them to quote the word TRINITY in the Bible?

hoopernikao:
So, it was an insight? Abi?

Yet you constantly ask that others should show you where Jesus is called God or Trinity used in the bible directly. Can't that be insight too?

You believe it's an insight to say Jesus is an angel just because it is only written that he will come with the voice of an angel, yet you neglect where he was called MY LORD, MY GOD; OUR GOD, JESUS CHRIST; THE WORD OF GOD; ONLY LORD GOD, JESUS CHRIST.

These ones are not insight. Abi?

You have been given over 20 scriptures that INSIGHTFULLY (using your terminology) but arguably pointed to Jesus as God. Yet you neglect and held to 3 scriptures that 2 of it does not even have Jesus mentioned in it and the last voice of angel and trumpet of God. Think on that yourself.

Which of these has more scriptures to settle or discuss.

Jesus as angels or Jesus as God?

No scriptures pointed to Jesus as Angel, yet you want me to insightfully see it when we have many insightfully plethora of scriptures arguably refering to Christ divinity as God.

Be careful sir.

hoopernikao:
And likewise, you should not all loose focus of the above, we will need it as time goes on

@Maximus69
@Janosky
@Rozz
@DappaD