adefajosekayo:
THERE IS A GOD THAT TRULY IS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND HEART. ONLY THOSE WHO SURRENDER THEMSELVES KNOW HIM. THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS POWERFUL. GOD IS A MIGHTY GOD, HAVE YOU RESEARCH OTHER NAMES OF JEHOVAH. LIKE JEHOVAH'S ADDONAI, ELLOIM, RAPHAL AND ON.p HE IS NOT THE JEWISH gOD OF WAR BUT A GOD THAT ANSWERS BY FIRE, WHO DESPISES EVIL, HE CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH JUST ALIGN AND YOU WILL KNOW HIM BETTER. SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND

Minsk24:


Lol... This is 2020, open your eyes and stop believing thrash.. The way Africans just carry this thing for head tire me... Spits

adefajosekayo:


As for me I have seen proves and a lot of evidence that their is God who created everything. He is almighty and still lives. But he disturb the wisdom of the earth with foolish things. The message of the Cross is like foolishness to them who perish.

When you sought to condemn a man even if he's doing good, you will find evil in it.

ThinkSmarter:
I didn't condemn God.
I raised questions of much concern in the Bible.
And instead of applying reasoning and intelligence.
U resort to personality attack.
Explain the various Bible passages that I mentioned.
Research independently on the Origin of world religions.
Go to Wikipedia, ask about El, Shaddai, yahweh, Baal.
Read Psalm 106.
I am a 21st century Christian.
I am an educated Christian.
I am an objective and analytic Christian that is critical in reasoning.
I'm always open minded to know the truthfulness contained in a philosophy or substance.
Belief is assumption without evidence.

BackllGodNaija:
Adam and Eve rebelliously ate from the tree of knowledge...yet they perished for lack of knowledge.

ThinkSmarter:
I didn't condemn God.
I raised questions of much concern in the Bible.
And instead of applying reasoning and intelligence.
U resort to personality attack.
Explain the various Bible passages that I mentioned.
Research independently on the Origin of world religions.
Go to Wikipedia, ask about El, Shaddai, yahweh, Baal.
Read Psalm 106.
I am a 21st century Christian.
I am an educated Christian.
I am an objective and analytic Christian that is critical in reasoning.
I'm always open minded to know the truthfulness contained in a philosophy or substance.
Belief is assumption without evidence.

adefajosekayo:


As for me I have seen proves and a lot of evidence that their is God who created everything. He is almighty and still lives. But he disturb the wisdom of the earth with foolish things. The message of the Cross is like foolishness to them who perish.

When you sought to condemn a man even if he's doing good, you will find evil in it.

budaatum:

No they did not perish! It is written that they would not surely die, and they surely didn't, for a very long time afterwards.

After "rebelliously" eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, their eyes opened, as they rightly should, and they went on to bear Cain and Abel, and Seth when Adam was 130 years old. Adam lived another 800 years till he was 930 years old!

BackllGodNaija:
You confuse me...

You said, "it is written, that they would not surely die, and they surely didn't..." yet it is written in the text you displayed that they actually died. Or am I missing something here?

budaatum:

You assume they were never going to die at some point, while the text makes it sound like they would fall down dead immediately after they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, though, Adam, at least, went on to live for another 800 years before dying at 930 years old. That's 7 times longer than when it was claimed he would die.

It's the assumption that I challenge. Why assume they were never going to die at some point?

BackllGodNaija:
You guys here are really funny. You're too quick to assume that someone's assuming things, when you're actually the ones doing so.

Now tell me, did they surely die or not, Or was any stipulated time frame given for this "sure" death to take place?

sonmvayina:
I just try to learn the messages in the story, I know the story is not based on an actual event... And move on..

I have since stopped arguing whether the snake is Satan or not or whether a snake can talk.. It is all a waste of time and energy..

budaatum:

No it isn't a waste of time, I'm afraid. The story, as unreal an event as it is, actually influences our thinking.

Imagine a story that tells you the acquisition of knowledge is a bad thing and your teacher is an evil serpent and that you are better off remaining ignorant and naked in a garden, and that if you attempt to acquire knowledge you will die. Can you not see how it could turn you into boko haram and a crucifier of the teacher?

I bet that after you crucify the teacher, you would turn round and call him or her a god, and build temples to worship him or her in because you have been told you would live eternally despite the fact that you can clearly see with your own two eyes that everyone who believed that before you died and is no more.

The Bible is not the reason for boko haram, mind. But its wrongful understanding makes us ignorant. And it is that misunderstanding that kills us.

sonmvayina:


I couldn't make heads or tails about your post, but if I may reiterate, they are stories just as you said, I don't go about arguing about the character in the story.. Noooo, I just try and learn the symbolism and imagery employed in other to decipher the messages..
In my village, the story of how death came to man is told using the tortoise and hare.. Nobody is influenced by both... The message is death came because Man made a wrong choice..

Simples....

budaatum:

Powerful stories, by virtue of the fact that they are drummed into you long before you develop the ability to think and reason for yourself. And like the hardware that most are, you dare not deviate from the program installed in you.

budaatum:

They died a very very long time after it was said they might.

No difference to me saying you will breathe. A smart person might say "doh".

BackllGodNaija:
"A very very long time" you say, but the fact remains that they "surely" died as was stated regardless of how long it took. So that's not an assumption but the fact.

sonmvayina:


I get it now.. Well, that's why we have to think for ourselves and actually do a proper research.

budaatum:

Glad you do. Often, by the time we read the book, we have already been told what it should mean and rather than read to understand, we impose on the text. I'd say that's why Christ said, "unless one becomes as a child", meaning, 'clear your mind of all you've been told and approach the text anew'.

That's not easy though. As hard as a camel through the eye of a needle. Hence would someone argue that they will surely die despite their going on to live a very very long time afterwards.

Guess it's hard to accept that God, as described in that narrative, was a slave master, and the so called wily serpent freed the slaves.

budaatum:

Well that makes eating that fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil worth eating then, I'd think, as I'd rather be a free person for 800 years than ignorant, enslaved and naked in some slave master's garden forever.

budaatum:

Powerful stories, by virtue of the fact that they are drummed into you long before you develop the ability to think and reason for yourself. And like the hardware that most are, you dare not deviate from the program installed in you.