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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Tobiloba2407: 10:50am On Jun 19, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


The hardwares were stationed at Charlie One (The entrance to Monguno through Maiduguri) and Charlie Six (Entrance to Monguno through Marte).

After the last attack in January this year the Military increased more hardwares at these entrances. The first laxity of the Military was their inability to detect the intruding BH guys. The Military guarding the entrances were taken by surprise. The Soldiers at the entrance abandoned their position after BH started shooting sporadically at the entrance.
Some Soldiers were killed at both entrance, even some soldiers trying to run back to the barracks mistakenly ran into the BH guys.

The barracks is more than a Kilometer away from that entrance. The 1:00 minute section of that video was 500meters to the barracks.

The Army needs to start hunting these guys
Around lake the neighbouring LGAs surrounding Monguno town. If these guys can pull such a stunt for 2hours during the day I don't know what will happen if this attack was during their 5:30 pm attack time.

The Army needs to start a massive operation and take the war to them. I am basically tired how we always sit duck and await their attacks. Even Repelling such attacks now has become a great positive news for the Red necks/Federal without any one of them thinking why don't we take the attacks to them. If not for that Video the Military never disclosed we lost such hardwares.

We should take this war to their doorsteps!!!!!!!


Sam thanks for the update...and if those vehicles are serviceable, the most senior personnel on duty at that location should face a B.O.I....at the same time, I think those vehicles have the wrong equipments to stop or slow down a bht, fast advance....a rapid fire 30 mm, would have been the best equipment.

I swear the waiting down to be attacked is really annoying, I hope the new equipments were bought with the mindset that they would be more mechanically efficient, so they would spearhead the hunt of boko haram.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by youghs: 11:15am On Jun 19, 2020
EricBraven:

I don't think this apply to the COAS

COAS as well is doing a good job to be honest..no army chief has come close to what he has Achieved...He has done well as for the war against terror but there still more to be done..
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jpphilips(m): 11:16am On Jun 19, 2020
Tobiloba2407:


Sam thanks for the update...and if those vehicles are serviceable, the most senior personnel on duty at that location should face a B.O.I....at the same time, I think those vehicles have the wrong equipments to stop or slow down a bht, fast advance....a rapid fire 30 mm, would have been the best equipment.

I swear the waiting down to be attacked is really annoying, I hope the new equipments were bought with the mindset that they would be more mechanically efficient, so they would spearhead the hunt of boko haram.

Shop for the military now sounds like shopping for Iswap.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by youghs: 11:19am On Jun 19, 2020
bidexiii:



Me president should improve the military budgets and we need to do some serious shopping for the army & airforce , Even if the current service chiefs gets sacks and new ones are appointed it will still be the same stories !
I’ll miss the CAS if he get sacked embarassed

Spot on..

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 11:51am On Jun 19, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


That Jet was the Major Impact. No member ISWAP died from a military bullet. The guys were marching close to the barracks before the jet showed up. I even heard their gun trucks we're shooting at the Jets.
actually most of them where killed by bullets.
What the Alpha jet did was to take out the Guntrucks which the pilot did successfully taking out three that where on the run.
Majority of the dead bodies weren't shredded na grin so obviously soilders did well if u ask me. But it's not right to start waiting to be attacked. This new set of ISWAP are daring and will return.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 12:41pm On Jun 19, 2020
Tobiloba2407:


Sam thanks for the update...and if those vehicles are serviceable, the most senior personnel on duty at that location should face a B.O.I....at the same time, I think those vehicles have the wrong equipments to stop or slow down a bht, fast advance....a rapid fire 30 mm, would have been the best equipment.

I swear the waiting down to be attacked is really annoying, I hope the new equipments were bought with the mindset that they would be more mechanically efficient, so they would spearhead the hunt of boko haram.

I completely and totally disagree.

Making use of what you have to have the most effective impact.


Putting aside tactical formation and looking at the singular Vickers MBT. The only thing that can slow it down is SVBIED and not neccesarily destroy it.

The terrain is Sahel savanna clear and open vision. Unless the tank commander is blind he will disintegrate the SVBIED with 100% accuracy at 1000 metres and even at 2000 metres once in sight.

Placing the Vickers MBT at a vantage point where it cannot be outflanked it will be able to take pot shots at everything that moves and win.

Even the RPG7 effective range of 250-300 metres range they will not get close enough before coaxial machin gun wipes them out. Again the terrain is very open not much cover to hide and shoot a RPG7. That will not even penetrate it's armour.

If you add the ERC 90 then it should have been taking out the gun trucks from its defensive position with troops in cover taking out any foot soldiers, thar dared to come close. The 60 mm on the Panhard will should halt any advance.

But pushing all that aside, where is the tactical formation, from the offensive / defensive contingency strategy plan.

Under no circumstances should Boko approach within 5km without the NA not having awareness and indeed should have at least 5km spatial awareness at all times 24/7/365. No excuses.

I noticed that Boko was firing 60/90mm mortar but very rudimentary so doubt the accuracy. That means they were softening up the target before attacking. Possible range 1.5 km. Should be quite easy for a spotter to establish the firing point and a 105 mm high explosive shell from the Vickers will essentially neutralise anything within a 50 metre radius.

That means the NA had some degree of warning of what's coming. What did they do in RESPONSE


The major point of this forum is battlefield discussion there doesn't seem to be too much.

Something is very very wrong and it is not just an issue of lack of equipment. I want to believe there is basic communication Infrastructure but it seemed there was no battlefield management just unrestricted wide spread chaos. But WHY.

The airforce arrived after hours according to what has been said here. Maiduguri is not more than 100 miles away. The airforce should have been there within 15 minutes not one hour or hours.

I watched a display here some months ago of a black clothed special forces officer ( acting like Rambo) barking out commands, "forward, forward" to an MBT, an APC and a Soft skinned pick up leading in a frontal assault.

Quite a few here were commending him as being very proficient brave and outstanding. I said nothing.

It seemed more like a simulated training exercise and or a show for the cameras, l didn't think it was an actual in progress fire fight.

Nonetheless, whatever it was , it was the highest level of utter ineptitude I have seen displayed by an officer in my life . And l have seen a few.

If that represented our approach to battlefield management, then we have major problems.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 12:47pm On Jun 19, 2020
youghs:


COAS as well is doing a good job to be honest..no army chief has come close to what he has Achieved...He has done well as for the war against terror but there still more to be done..

Agreed not many have been able to acquire a $2 million dollar flat in Dubai, on a Generals salary.

Indeed well done Buratai, l can see him once he retires becoming a politician, he is already well versed in spin and manipulation of information.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 12:53pm On Jun 19, 2020
Xbee007:

This man gets it.

Despite the reality that it was a probing attack, they would have done greater damage if they weren't stopped by the fighter jets that came several hours late.

Both NA and NAF need to do a lot more.

How far is Maiduguri from this location my estimate approx 100 miles. I presume there will be a number of air assets thier.

And you are saying it took hours for the NAF to respond sorry that's high level incompetence.

But most worrying indeed Very worrying look at how close they are too Maiduguri. Will it be impossible or shocking of they attacked Maiduguri. ❓ And the tried to destroy the air assets before they can take off.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 1:30pm On Jun 19, 2020
Toju200:
actually most of them where killed by bullets.
What the Alpha jet did was to take out the Guntrucks which the pilot did successfully taking out three that where on the run.
Majority of the dead bodies weren't shredded na grin so obviously soilders did well if u ask me. But it's not right to start waiting to be attacked. This new set of ISWAP are daring and will return.
One would think pictures were never posted
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 1:36pm On Jun 19, 2020
Alarm - Brief - Pilot suit up - concurrent arming - fly to and arrive on target.

Not an excuse for coming "late". Just a different opinion on this late coming of NAF. How long do you think this chain of events last.

Meanwhile, why are some forgetting the offensive push(es) of April/May and making it seem NA has been sitting idle

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by seankafor(m): 2:30pm On Jun 19, 2020
Odunayaw:
Alarm - Brief - Pilot suit up - concurrent arming - fly to and arrive on target.

Not an excuse for coming "late". Just a different opinion on this late coming of NAF. How long do you think this chain of events last.

Meanwhile, why are some forgetting the offensive push(es) of April/May and making it seem NA has been sitting idle
thank you my brother kiss

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 2:34pm On Jun 19, 2020
Odunayaw:
Alarm - Brief - Pilot suit up - concurrent arming - fly to and arrive on target.

Not an excuse for coming "late". Just a different opinion on this late coming of NAF. How long do you think this chain of events last.

Meanwhile, why are some forgetting the offensive push(es) of April/May and making it seem NA has been sitting idle


Nice one bro. But do the USAF and Russian Airforce have to spend much time as we mostly observe here in Naija? Tho the NAF responded earlier in Monguno attack. I will always say that Monguno has always received quick response from NAF. Some locations that are even before you arrive Monguno like Gajiram lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 2:44pm On Jun 19, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:



Nice one bro. But do the USAF and Russian Airforce have to spend much time as we mostly observe here in Naija? Tho the NAF responded earlier in Monguno attack. I will always say that Monguno has always received quick response from NAF. Some locations that are even before you arrive Monguno like Gajiram lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed


How many minutes did you think those guys used in burning down those vehicles, destroying properties and even trying to win the heart of the locals ?
The NAF his trying but they can do a lot more better by arriving earlier it would save a lot of lives, military equipment and properties.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 2:48pm On Jun 19, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:



Nice one bro. But do the USAF and Russian Airforce have to spend much time as we mostly observe here in Naija? Tho the NAF responded earlier in Monguno attack. I will always say that Monguno has always received quick response from NAF. Some locations that are even before you arrive Monguno like Gajiram lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
well I don't know for sure but factors affecting NAF early response to attacks is unknown,
We've seen Dem responded quickly on different occasions, an Example was Auno

Come to think of it we even lost a MI35M crew during CAS in Dapchi 2018( May their soul Rest in Peace) so Komekn u calling NAF incompetent is Right bro
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 3:26pm On Jun 19, 2020
bidexiii:



How many minutes did you think those guys used in burning down those vehicles, destroying properties and even trying to win the heart of the locals ?
The NAF his trying but they can do a lot more better by arriving earlier it would save a lot of lives, military equipment and properties.

I used a Gajiram attack where Soldiers fought over an hour and 30 minutes before withdrawing. Gajiram is 50Km away from Maiduguri on Monguno-Maiduguri road. Exactly the NAF should improve as it saves lives. cool

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EricBraven: 5:13pm On Jun 19, 2020
youghs:


COAS as well is doing a good job to be honest..no army chief has come close to what he has Achieved...He has done well as for the war against terror but there still more to be done..
How,in what way
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Tobiloba2407: 5:24pm On Jun 19, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


I used a Gajiram attack where Soldiers fought over an hour and 30 minutes before withdrawing. Gajiram is 50Km away from Maiduguri on Monguno-Maiduguri road. Exactly the NAF should improve as it saves lives. cool


the army should build fortifications, get equipments and build expertise, that they can overwhelm or deter a force, 3 times it's size in any location, it's not everytime air force would be available.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 5:25pm On Jun 19, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


I used a Gajiram attack where Soldiers fought over an hour and 30 minutes before withdrawing. Gajiram is 50Km away from Maiduguri on Monguno-Maiduguri road. Exactly the NAF should improve as it saves lives. cool
This is one of the reasons NA calling for their own aviation unit makes sense but reality on ground is that we're not ready to fund such gargantuan project. What the NA can do in the interim is to establish a drone unit stationed in the NE, then get very cheap drones CH-5 etc from China/Turkey within $1m to $3m with ability to drop payloads. I think 5 to 10units will be ok for a start, with $20m we could kickstart this unit get weapons, train technicians/pilots to operate them or at worst even borrow NAF personnel for the interim to run the new unit till NA finds their feet. The drone unit will have a hotline established with all frontline bases, camps, outposts etc they should be on standby 24hrs, meaning atleast one of the drones in their fleet should be ready to be launched at any given time. I think this option is quite realistic instead waiting to get Mi35s, Apaches etc
Yes, I think going for cheap drones isn't really a bad idea considering our financial state, Bokoharam for now don't have the sophistry to bring down high altitude aircrafts like rebels in Libya, so why are we not exploring that option.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 5:31pm On Jun 19, 2020
You armchair Generals again speaking on operational matters you think you know about. Have you ever considered that there are nowhere near enough platforms in the air force's inventory to maintain a 24 hour coverage of the NE? And you have the platforms scattered over the country on different operations.
Then there is also downtime involving maintenance etc. Only 80% of not many platforms are available at any time. The Airforce needs a lot more close air support aircraft and attack helicopters than they currently have when you look at the size of the NE. There are also aircraft tasked on other missions and as such also not available at your beckon call.

More advanced countries are more successful in responding because they have aircraft available in the air near 24/7 as they have numbers as well as air to air refuelling to keep them airborne for long periods and available to attack when required with Forward Air Controllers always on the ground (I am sure a few people here think a pilot will just show up with his aircraft and immediately know friend from foe).

This is where the Tucano will be helpful with their loiter time as we don't have air to air refuelling to keep aircraft in the air longer. The pilots are getting trained, what we need now are the platforms in significant numbers.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 5:37pm On Jun 19, 2020
rka2:
You armchair Generals again speaking on operational matters you think you know about. Have you ever considered that there are nowhere near enough platforms in the air force's inventory to maintain a 24 hour coverage of the NE? And you have the platforms scattered over the country on different operations.
Then there is also downtime involving maintenance etc. Only 80% of not many platforms are available at any time. The Airforce needs a lot more close air support aircraft and attack helicopters than they currently have when you look at the size of the NE. There are also aircraft tasked on other missions and as such also not available at your beckon call.

More advanced countries are more successful in responding because they have aircraft available in the air near 24/7 as they have numbers as well as air to air refuelling to keep them airborne for long periods and available to attack when required with Forward Air Controllers always on the ground (I am sure a few people here think a pilot will just show up with his aircraft and immediately know friend from foe).

This is where the Tucano will be helpful with their loiter time as we don't have air to air refuelling to keep aircraft in the air longer. The pilots are getting trained, what we need now are the platforms in significant numbers.

You can post without calling anyone an Arm chair General. We are Nigerians and free to ask questions wink

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 5:43pm On Jun 19, 2020
ugo4u:

This is one of the reasons NA calling for their own aviation unit makes sense but reality on ground is that we're not ready to fund such gargantuan project. What the NA can do in the interim is to establish a drone unit stationed in the NE, then get very cheap drones CH-5 etc from China/Turkey within $1m to $3m with ability to drop payloads. I think 5 to 10units will be ok for a start, with $20m we could kickstart this unit get weapons, train technicians/pilots to operate them or at worst even borrow NAF personnel for the interim to run the new unit till NA finds their feet. The drone unit will have a hotline established with all frontline bases, camps, outposts etc they should be on standby 24hrs, meaning atleast one of the drones in their fleet should be ready to be launched at any given time. I think this option is quite realistic instead waiting to get Mi35s, Apaches etc
Yes, I think going for cheap drones isn't really a bad idea considering out financial state, Bokoharam for now don't have the sophistry to bring down high altitude aircrafts like rebels in Libya, so why are we not exploring that option.

What about when you have multiple attacks at different locations? What will that one drone do? We have not even talked about the expertise needed by the army to man them as well as the logistics, base & aircraft maintenance, trained soldiers that understand base defence etc.

You can't base aircraft near trenches as some have been advocating (even a general. Shows how much he understands about military aviation). You can have FOBs, but if anywhere near hostile territory, will need to be well protected or you will lose many helicopters.

What is needed are more aircraft as well as NAF FACs based at all bases. Some Army personnel can also be trained in co-ordinating air strikes.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 5:44pm On Jun 19, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


You can post without calling anyone an Arm chair General. We are Nigerians and free to ask questions wink

They are still arm chair generals who are free to ask questions. Just like you don't have to keep typing in bold letters as we can see your posts anyway

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 5:56pm On Jun 19, 2020
rka2:


What about when you have multiple attacks at different locations? What will that one drone do? We have not even talked about the expertise needed by the army to man them as well as the logistics, base & aircraft maintenance, trained soldiers that understand base defence etc.

You can't base aircraft near trenches as some have been advocating (even a general. Shows how much he understands about military aviation). You can have FOBs, but if anywhere near hostile territory, will need to be well protected or you will lose many helicopters.

What is needed are more aircraft as well as NAF FACs based at all bases. Some Army personnel can also be trained in co-ordinating air strikes.
You didn't read my post with comprehension carefully go through it again.
I said atleast One drone amongst the fleet should be readily available 24/7 for emergencies, not that only one will be used for such operations. Moreover even if it is one available it can go a long way in ameliorating any emergency ground forces encounter. As for expertise I clearly stated that personnel from NAF can be drafted in the interim while the NA finds its feet expertise-wise.
Drones I'm talking about have a range of about 8000km with over 40hrs endurance. It doesn't need to be in the frontlines it can be operated from a very secured base in say Maiduguri or even within NAfs facilities.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 6:15pm On Jun 19, 2020
My Guys at Banki, How far? Hope all is well, Its look like this jet that flew low over my calm area is heading towards your way grin grin grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:09pm On Jun 19, 2020
86 NAF PERSONNEL GRADUATE FROM VARIOUS COURSES AT MILITARY TRAINING CENTRE, AS NAF ACTIVATES INSTITUTE OF ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGEMENT

The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) has completed the training of another set of 86 personnel on sundry courses at the Military Training Centre (MTC), Kaduna, culminating in a combined Graduation Ceremony which took place today, 19 June 2020, at the Shittu Alao Auditorium, MTC. The day’s graduands comprised: 9 officers who completed the Initial Personnel Administrative Management Officers’ Course; 53 airmen from the Integrated Basic Clerical Course and 24 personnel of the Basic Physical Education Course, whose capacities have been enhanced for more effective and efficient service delivery. This is coming just as the Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, has directed the activation of the NAF Institute of Administrative Management (NAFIAM) in Sokoto.

Speaking during the graduation ceremony, the CAS, represented by the Chief of Administration, Air Vice Marshal Muhammad Idris, stated that a lot had been done over the past 5 years to address the challenges of the NAF in the aspect of capacity building, noting that the Service embarked on massive training of aircrew and non-aircrew personnel, both in Nigeria and abroad, across all specialties and trades. According to him, the current NAF administration also embarked on infrastructural development through the execution of over 900 projects, which included the provision of additional housing, schools, hospitals, operational and recreational facilities as well as upgrade of existing infrastructure. This, he said, has resulted in the accommodation of over 7,500 families.

The CAS stated further that in the continuing effort to consistently reposition the Service for efficient service delivery, he had directed the activation of the NAFIAM in Sokoto State. The activation of NAFIAM, he remarked, would address the deficiencies in manpower development and career progression in the Administration-related specialties, with attendant positive impact on service delivery. He implored personnel to uphold the high standard of discipline the NAF is known for and support the Federal Government’s efforts by ensuring adherence to various guidelines issued in response to the COVID-19 Pandemic. “I urge you to avoid unnecessary gatherings, ensure you wear a face mask and observe social and physical distancing when in public places. We must also shun unnecessary inter-state movements,” the CAS said.

Earlier in his welcome remarks, the Commandant MTC, Air Commodore Aliyu Bello, thanked the CAS for the policy guidance and the infrastructural development efforts that had empowered the Centre to sustain its excellent performance and output for the NAF. He added that, rather than rest on its oars, the Centre would undoubtedly continue to deliver the training of quality manpower to meet the NAF’s aspirations. As part of the Graduation Ceremony, awards were presented to graduands who had distinguished themselves in learning and character during the various courses.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force
19 June 2020

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 7:11pm On Jun 19, 2020
ugo4u:

You didn't read my post with comprehension carefully go through it again.
I said atleast One drone amongst the fleet should be readily available 24/7 for emergencies, not that only one will be used for such operations. Moreover even if it is one available it can go a long way in ameliorating any emergency ground forces encounter. As for expertise I clearly stated that personnel from NAF can be drafted in the interim while the NA finds its feet expertise-wise.
Drones I'm talking about have a range of about 8000km with over 40hrs endurance. It doesn't need to be in the frontlines it can be operated from a very secured base in say Maiduguri or even within NAfs facilities.

I fully comprehended your post. To have that kind of coverage, you will need more than one drone operational at the same time or on standby and we have not even talked about expended ammunition and need to return to base. The problem is not the army not having drones or helicopters, it is to do with the air force being equipped in all spectrums of operations with the right number of platforms to be able to provide such coverage. Why do you think the allies in A-stan and Iraq had multiple platforms from all arms of the military. Even then they have struggled and you think just a few drones and helicopters for the army and you can sing uhuru? It won't be long before people start saying they are useless, they never arrive on time, they ignored us, the ogas are corrupt etc, etc, etc.

Properly equip the air force now and long term, we can start talking about Army Aviation.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:36pm On Jun 19, 2020
Photos of Italian military expertise from Italy supporting GNA forces in demining efforts in Tripoli as part of MIASIT

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:38pm On Jun 19, 2020
Photos of GNA-Turkish EOD teams handling mines in southern Tripoli.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by FieldMarshall06(m): 8:03pm On Jun 19, 2020
Jimi24:


Finally, an educated person made a post on Naira land. Thank God. The ignorance in Nigeria is on another class especially when it comes to international affairs and history.

What is educated in that "fallacious" post. Comparing apples to oranges. You yourself, how educated are you You can insult nairalanders but don't come here to insult Nigerians... besides what is our business with the history of Jews... smh.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by FieldMarshall06(m): 8:11pm On Jun 19, 2020
jpphilips:


Israelites of the Biblical era & today's Israelites aren't the same people.
the former were Hebrew descendants of Jacob while the later are product of Balfour agreement.
The only Biblical Israelites in the state of Israel are the Bnei Menashe returned from India in 2005.

So the state of Israel has been at war since the 50's not Biblical era.

You wrote: "the former were Hebrew descendants... while the later are product of Balfour agreement.. "

the comparison in inherently wrong. You are comparing "descendancy with territory creation". The Balfour agreement is "the creation of a state" and cannot be compared "peoples' ancestry".

The Balfour agreement did not create people's DNA nor alter their ancestry. It created a state. So your comparison is fallacious...

The question is: Whose descendants are today's Israelites that occupy Israel ?? If only Menashe people are Israelites, where do the rest Israeli people come from

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