And Kenya growth is staggering - albeit from a low base - if you look at retail, hotel, infrastructure, grade A office, residential houses,name it - Nairobi is closing the gap on Joburg.

Austine1212:


In africa there 25m km2 of office and retail 23m is in SA
Bankin&insurance i can't go any further

rvp20182:
I wished you had used a condom. You'd have saved the world another fool. The stupidity here is congenital and immune to reform.

Hey rvp that ain't my kid bro. That maddam is a hoe. I don't know where she got that one from.

It must have been from a madman by the roadside.

rvp20182:
But the Magreb are not really African - they are Middle East or Magreb. They speak Arabic and are totally separated from Africa by the Sahara desert. They are only Africa geographically.

If the investor is looking at middle east - he will include Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morroco - to Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, etc

The wannabe Sudan - maybe.

Isreal is also seen as European or Western Nation.

The only reason africans wanna exclude north africa its because north africa is so good it makes other african countries look very bad.

Yall are afraid of competition, magreb is africa

Western is mainly used to discribe in terms of development and advancements. Like Australia, New Zealand, south Korea the not in the west but are called thethe west

rvp20182:
And Kenya growth is staggering - albeit from a low base - if you look at retail, hotel, infrastructure, grade A office, residential houses,name it - Nairobi is closing the gap on Joburg.

Dude joburg?

Yall not in Pretoria level by a mile

Office, hotel, retail, residential,

I admire your magnanimity in adopting this kid for the short time the Ashawo mama was at your service.

Saddamochieng00:


Hey rvp that ain't my kid bro. That maddam is a hoe. I don't know where she got that one from.

It must have been from a madman by the roadside.

Austine1212:


List them


Lol you want from an African perspective or from a south african perspective?

So many we cant try to list them you should check out that link to the thread Rvp gave you

Its Funny you object coz southafricans were the first to doubt Nairobi when that thread started
Maybe its cos it threatens jobugs position

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/nairobi-africas-new-hq-for-multinational-firms.1425616/

forgiveness:


What was the capacity of these stadiums prior to the 2010 world cup?

They were substandard.

The same for the most part.
The capacity of Ellis Park was in fact downgraded to 60 000 from 65 000
Newlands was never used for the Fifa world cup and received no upgrades
Kingspark was also not used for the Fifa world cup and received no upgrades
Loftus only received a roof on the east pavilion, no Capacity upgrade
Mmabatho Stadium was never used for the World Cup and received no upgrades
Johannesburg Stadium, Athlone Stadium and Charles Mopeli Stadium were never used for the Fifa world cup
Toyota Stadium only received a 5000 capacity upgrade for the Fifa world cup

Let not get into the usual unhelpful polemics. Nairobi is on the neck of Joburg. Pretoria is another Abuja - little city for gov operatives and ambassadors.

Austine1212:


Dude joburg?

Yall not in Pretoria level by a mile

Office, hotel, retail, residential,

rvp20182:
They mostly relocate Africawide business from Joburg to Nairobi - leaving the Joburg office to handle South Africa and maybe Southern Africa.

Which ones?

Baliv254:


So many we cant try to list them you should check out that link to the thread Rvp gave you

Its Funny you object coz southafricans were the first to doubt Nairobi when that thread started
Maybe its cos it threatens jobugs position

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/nairobi-africas-new-hq-for-multinational-firms.1425616/

Is geneva better than munich?

Baliv254:


So many we cant try to list them you should check out that link to the thread Rvp gave you

Its Funny you object coz southafricans were the first to doubt Nairobi when that thread started
Maybe its cos it threatens jobugs position

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/nairobi-africas-new-hq-for-multinational-firms.1425616/

I said list them

Coca Cola for example. Deal with violent crime otherwise, Nairobi is eating your lunch because of it's more central location.

Soft drink giant Coca Cola is finally putting up a Ksh700 million ($10.4 million) headquarters building to oversee its operations in 27 East and Central African countries, after years of shuffling its regional offices.

The Nairobi office is responsible for Angola, Botswana, Burundi, Comoros, Congo Brazzaville, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Kenya, Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mayotte, Mozambique, Namibia, Reunion, Rwanda, Seychelles, Somalia, St Helena, Swaziland, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

Joburg was left to deal with ? Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho and Swaziland

Austine1212:


Which ones?

Austine1212:


I said list them

Continue saying

rvp20182:
Let not get into the usual unhelpful polemics. Nairobi is on the neck of Joburg. Pretoria is another Abuja - little city for gov operatives and ambassadors.

Dude in terms of development joburg is not the one in SA

Surely you do not know Pretoria

I don't know Pretoria enough because it's not important unless I was to be appointed Kenyan ambassador.

Austine1212:


Dude in terms of development joburg is not the one in SA

Surely you do not know Pretoria

rvp20182:
Coca Cola for example. Deal with violent crime otherwise, Nairobi is eating your lunch because of it's more central location.

Soft drink giant Coca Cola is finally putting up a Ksh700 million ($10.4 million) headquarters building to oversee its operations in 27 East and Central African countries, after years of shuffling its regional offices.

The Nairobi office is responsible for Angola, Botswana, Burundi, Comoros, Congo Brazzaville, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Kenya, Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mayotte, Mozambique, Namibia, Reunion, Rwanda, Seychelles, Somalia, St Helena, Swaziland, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

Joburg was left to deal with ? Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho and Swaziland

And?

Austine1212:


i still think it wont do good for it as a city state, developing other states cities will do good for the country to ease the over population, depressing traffic etc

Overcrowded developing cities areare not attractive, yall should be careful of.

Yeah i get your point, but you know Lagos is most economical hub in west Africa, if not in the whole Africa, i maybe wrong, and so depopulating it won't be that easy, because a lot of investments has been put in there from the locals, but i do hope with the new rail linking lagos to Ibadan, and Abeokuta, the population will be little reduced, because some people prefer living in these neighboring states, than living in lagos, but still prefer working in lagos, because there is a lot of money, and opportunities there.
But Lagos hope to also complete the light rail, to reduce the traffic congestion on the major roads, and also the sea ports coming up in other states, might reduce traffics on lagos major roads by trailer users.

I realize South Africans are like Americans and Nigerians. They are immersed in this miasma of self-delusion that they are the greatest because they are surrounded by mediocrity. I find Kenyans more worldly - Kenyans knows everything about anything.

For most of them - this thread is the first time they know anything about kenya beyond athletics.

They are like Nigerians here - shocked when they see what Kenya has done and is doing.

Baliv254:


So many we cant try to list them you should check out that link to the thread Rvp gave you

Its Funny you object coz southafricans were the first to doubt Nairobi when that thread started
Maybe its cos it threatens jobugs position

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/nairobi-africas-new-hq-for-multinational-firms.1425616/

rvp20182:
I don't know Pretoria enough because it's not important unless I was to be appointed Kenyan ambassador.

You do not know Pretoria, you just proved that

And you have 25 pages there in that thread. Go thro it.

Austine1212:


And?

Maybe. But why would we include South Africa in Sub Sahara..and likes of Bostwana and Namibia. Mauritus is practial India but we include it. Sahara is like a sea. There is very little btw Magreb and Sub Sahara Africa.

Most analyst knows this. Magreb and Middle East are very similar.

Austine1212:


The only reason africans wanna exclude north africa its because north africa is so good it makes other african countries look very bad.

Yall are afraid of competition, magreb is africa

Western is mainly used to discribe in terms of development and advancements. Like Australia, New Zealand, south Korea the not in the west but are called thethe west

rvp20182:
Let not get into the usual unhelpful polemics. Nairobi is on the neck of Joburg. Pretoria is another Abuja - little city for gov operatives and ambassadors.

Bro Pretoria and Joburg are light years ahead of Nairobi I think i've already mentioned the QOL indexes from both Numbeo and Mercer

That is hyperbole. I have already told you they are 10-15 yrs. Light years would be a billion years or what. Nairobi is catching up with Joburg. Nairobi metro is catching up with Gauteng. 10yrs min. 15yrs max. Assuming the current trajectory for both cities are maintained.

jln115:
Bro Pretoria and Joburg are light years ahead of Nairobi I think i've already mentioned the QOL indexes from both Numbeo and Mercer

rvp20182:
I realize South Africans are like Americans and Nigerians. They are immersed in this miasma of self-delusion that they are the greatest because they are surrounded by mediocrity. I find Kenyans more worldly - Kenyans knows everything about anything.

For most of them - this thread is the first time they know anything about kenya beyond athletics.

They are like Nigerians here - shocked when they see what Kenya has done and is doing.

Oh the IRONY!!!!!

rvp20182:
I realize South Africans are like Americans and Nigerians. They are immersed in this miasma of self-delusion that they are the greatest because they are surrounded by mediocrity. I find Kenyans more worldly - Kenyans knows everything about anything.

For most of them - this thread is the first time they know anything about kenya beyond athletics.

They are like Nigerians here - shocked when they see what Kenya has done and is doing.

Dude Nothing about kenya surprises, Kenya is one of those countries thatthat celebrates anything

New rail its a whole issue
New building, new road, new companies, new industrial block causes a whole hullabaloo

We don't do that here

You see Rwanda yall are shocked, where there is nothing to be shocked about it

Thats y when you asked what i think, i asked you from which perspective

rvp20182:
That is hyperbole. I have already told you they are 10-15 yrs. Light years would be a billion years or what.

Yes YOU have told me.....If YOU have forgotten you are just a random nobody on an anonymous thread!! I'm glad you are so patriotic about Kenya!! but don't be like Sammy and let your patriotism get in the way of you seeing the actual facts on the ground

jln115:
Bro Pretoria and Joburg are light years ahead of Nairobi I think i've already mentioned the QOL indexes from both Numbeo and Mercer

I dont have to drag durban nor Capetown,

He's aiming for Gauteng lol imagine

rvp20182:
Maybe. But why would we include South Africa in Sub Sahara..and likes of Bostwana and Namibia. Mauritus is practial India but we include it. Sahara is like a sea. There is very little btw Magreb and Sub Sahara Africa.

Most analyst knows this. Magreb and Middle East are very similar.

Thats what yall do, if something if better is not african

Mauritius is of coast of madagascar but you say its india whenwhen india is not even largest trading partner.

They are similar cos they not backward they developed, they not making babies like pigs, they got fairer skin...

The are african

gallivant:


You seem shocked. Tanzania is a country without morals, a communist heathen backwater. Always keep your guard around the lowlifes.

Tanzania is the sovereign state. No any nation can choose to us what to do or to do not.

Roan7:


Yeah i get your point, but you know Lagos is most economical hub in west Africa, if not in the whole Africa, i maybe wrong, and so depopulating it won't be that easy, because a lot of investments has been put in there from the locals, but i do hope with the new rail linking lagos to Ibadan, and Abeokuta, the population will be little reduced, because some people prefer living in these neighboring states, than living in lagos, but still prefer working in lagos, because there is a lot of money, and opportunities there.
But Lagos hope to also complete the light rail, to reduce the traffic congestion on the major roads, and also the sea ports coming up in other states, might reduce traffics on lagos major roads by trailer users.

You dont depopulate you build other economic centers in various parts of the country this reducing thethe migration to lagos

Investment goes to lagos cos development happens there, it will take more than a rail to stop that, develop idaban and adeokuta, make it attractive for more people to stay.

Lagos will always lack cos thethe migration rate acceded the economic rate

I think your government is giving dangote too much economic power over keyeconomic sectors don't you think so?

Austine1212:


I dont have to drag durban nor Capetown,

He's aiming for Gauteng lol imagine

the dude is delusional hence why he is the Kenyan Sammy

Austine1212:


The only reason africans wanna exclude north africa its because north africa is so good it makes other african countries look very bad.

Yall are afraid of competition, magreb is africa

Western is mainly used to discribe in terms of development and advancements. Like Australia, New Zealand, south Korea the not in the west but are called thethe west

There is nothing super impressive in North Africa that sets it apart in any type of special way from the rest of the continent. Don't bring your natural Kenyan bant slave mindedness here.

The Largest Economy in Africa is in the West Africa.

The country with the best gdp PER CAPITA is located in Central Africa.

The most advanced country is in the Southern Africa.

The most peaceful country in Africa is in Sub Saharan Africa.

The only thing North Africa has over the other regions is military hardware procurement (The Art of Killing) which sounds about right for those people.


There is nothing special about North Africa as you see. Many Africans don't count them as African because there viewed as racist Arab Invaders. Get the tanned peepee out of your mouth