emmanuelewumi:



They don't need to invest outside Nigeria. Friesland Wamco makers of peak milk is a Dutch company, their company makes a minimum profit after tax of N10 billion from a revenue of over N100 billion every year, they are also empowering Nigeria farmers and cattle ranches.

Promasidor the makers of Cowbell is a South African company making billions of Naira and also empowering farmers.

Olams is also very big in Agriculture. UAC used to have investments in Agriculture but they are not getting it right.

Our institutional Investors need to identify opportunities and invest in such, they have the resources to carry out necessary feasibility studies and management of such opportunities

The ROI is in Nigeria

We just need to start and join the portfolio guys

Loooooool

emmanuelewumi:



They are just intellectually lazy, our problem is short term thinking.

More wealth can be made by them and more people, when they Invest in enterprises or ventures that have the ability to create multiplier effects

Words of WISDOM

DexterousOne:


Nollywood and our music industry are big brands

The Dangote Group is another big brand

Dangote is known continent wide

Then we talk of the banks

UBA, First Bank GTBank and the list goes on

Then we also have Innoson growing his brand on the continent

These are just few of many


I remember in Ghana
I had an associate who had nothing good to say about Nigeria and Nigerians
For those of us who frequent Ghana
We know that type of Ghanaian


So I asked him what bank does he bank with

It was a Nigerian bank

Very hilarious story j tell u

A number of Ghanaians actually have that feeling towards Nigeria.

Wiseoldman:



A number of Ghanaians actually have that feeling towards Nigeria.

Yea

They do

I personally mingle with the upper echelon kinda ghanaians
But still among them

There are a couple who are biased against Nigerians

But that's life

Everyone with their prejudices

emmanuelewumi:



Charity begins at home, if you are not innovative here you cant be innovative abroad. I also believe this is the place for the institutional Investors to get great returns

Great returns could also be gotten abroad as well.

Investing in the america tech space for example has created billions of dollars in value for institutional investors
Much more than can ever be imagined to be made in Nigeria

Investing in hotel chains in say UAE is another money spinner

There are opportunities out there

Our Nigerian institutional investors have to go out there and have a slice of it.

That's my thought

DexterousOne:


Yea

They do

I personally mingle with the upper echelon kinda ghanaians
But still among them

There are a couple who are biased against Nigerians

But that's life

Everyone with their prejudices

Most cases they watch Nollywood, come to Nairaland, listen to Davido or Wizkid, bank with GTB and uses Glomobile, but they hate Nigeria

DexterousOne:


Great returns could also be gotten abroad as well.

Investing in the america tech space for example has created billions of dollars in value for institutional investors
Much more than can ever be imagined to be made in Nigeria

Investing in hotel chains in say UAE is another money spinner

There are opportunities out there

Our Nigerian institutional investors have to go out there and have a slice of it.

That's my thought

I am not sure you are aware of what happened during the dot com era. Pension funds can't be used for speculative investments, but we need to strike a balance between safety and sustainable returns on investment

DexterousOne:


Since the foreign investors are here

It's a no brainer that our own fund managers should dedicate a portion of their portfolio to foreign investments out of the country too

There are very big deals that can be struck abroad

They should look into that

Examples?

emmanuelewumi:



Most cases they watch Nollywood, come to Nairaland, listen to Davido or Wizkid, bank with GTB and uses Glomobile, but they hate Nigeria

Not all hate Nigerians

I'd say some

But there are also Ghanaians who really love us and learn from us too.

I think its vice versa too

Some people just have biases.


That said
Many Ghanaian dont use glo sha

Its MTN, Airtel Vodafone

ukay2:




Examples?

The American Tech space for example

Imagine financing a startup there that then grows in value overtime


For example
A share of Amazon is over $2600 plus

Imagine investing when they still had teething issues.

The tech space across the world is a good start

We could also crowdfund and enter the UAE market
Hotel/Apartments over there have potential
As tourists flock there Jan to December


There are chinese start ups looking for money too.


Opportunities abound

We dont have to be local champions

emmanuelewumi:


I am not sure you are aware of what happened during the dot com era. Pension funds can't be used for speculative investments, but we need to strike a balance between safety and sustainable returns on investment

Yea

Dot com bubbles of early 2000s

I remember

But it paved the way for the richest African American p

DexterousOne:


Great returns could also be gotten abroad as well.

Investing in the america tech space for example has created billions of dollars in value for institutional investors
Much more than can ever be imagined to be made in Nigeria

Investing in hotel chains in say UAE is another money spinner

There are opportunities out there

Our Nigerian institutional investors have to go out there and have a slice of it.

That's my thought

How can FGN Pension Funds be used in investing Hotels in UAE, Space projects in US?

What happened to the untapped resources in Agricultural Sector in Nigeria that can easily easily employ millions of youthful Nigerians?

DexterousOne:


Great returns could also be gotten abroad as well.

Investing in the america tech space for example has created billions of dollars in value for institutional investors
Much more than can ever be imagined to be made in Nigeria

Investing in hotel chains in say UAE is another money spinner

There are opportunities out there

Our Nigerian institutional investors have to go out there and have a slice of it.

That's my thought

How can FGN Pension Funds be used in investing Hotels in UAE, Space projects in US?

What happened to the untapped resources in Agricultural Sector in Nigeria that can easily employ millions of youthful Nigerians?

DexterousOne:


The American Tech space for example

Imagine financing a startup there that then grows in value overtime


For example
A share of Amazon is over $2600 plus

Imagine investing when they still had teething issues.

The tech space across the world is a good start

We could also crowdfund and enter the UAE market
Hotel/Apartments over there have potential
As tourists flock there Jan to December


There are chinese start ups looking for money too.


Opportunities abound

We dont have to be local champions

Yes Sir, but the Pension Funds are not targeted to such Opportunities. .....

ukay2:


How can FGN Pension Funds be used in investing Hotels in UAE, Space projects in US?

What happened to the untapped resources in Agricultural Sector in Nigeria that can easily employ millions of youthful Nigerians?

I was talking of institutional investors In general.


Pension Funds are just one type of institutional investors.

If I were a fund manager
A good percentage of my allocation is going abroad chasing opportunities



It's out there for the taking

And as an African
I have to go get my own piece

ukay2:



Yes Sir, but the Pension Funds are not targeted to such Opportunities. .....

You are right

Other institutional investors can take note

DexterousOne:


Yea

Dot com bubbles of early 2000s

I remember

But it paved the way for the richest African American p

What is percentage of the dot com businesses that are still existing, less than 10% and Investors lost huge funds

Thank God you said bubbles, I prefer the maximum daily 10% gain or loss in the Nigerian Stock Exchange compared over 100% daily gain and over 90% daily loss in the New York Stock Exchange

and you don't think a number of Nigerians have that feeling towards Ghana?

Wiseoldman:



A number of Ghanaians actually have that feeling towards Nigeria.

Oga, big money wen don enter America non easy to move out o

DexterousOne:


Great returns could also be gotten abroad as well.

Investing in the america tech space for example has created billions of dollars in value for institutional investors
Much more than can ever be imagined to be made in Nigeria

Investing in hotel chains in say UAE is another money spinner

There are opportunities out there

Our Nigerian institutional investors have to go out there and have a slice of it.

That's my thought

emmanuelewumi:


What is percentage of the dot com businesses that are still existing, less than 10% and Investors lost huge funds

Thank God you said bubbles, I prefer the maximum daily 10% gain or loss in the Nigerian Stock Exchange compared over 100% daily gain and over 90% daily loss in the New York Stock Exchange

But that range is what makes it an efficient market.

The NSE 10 % in both directions band is both good and also bad


But sha

NSE is not doing so bad either

But I seek to spread out

USA and SA

If I find a broker from here that can help me trade stocks on tbe JSE in South Africa
I'll be so happy

ojesymsym:
Oga, big money wen don enter America non easy to move out o

Oh yea?

Tell me about it

DexterousOne:


I was talking of institutional investors In general.


Pension Funds are just one type of institutional investors.

If I were a fund manager
A good percentage of my allocation is going abroad chasing opportunities



It's out there for the taking

And as an African
I have to go get my own piece

The grass is usually greener on other side, foreigners are now buying into some of our Pension Fund management firms because they have identified huge growth and returns.

AIICO pension fund manager and Axa Mansard Pensions are for sale, I hope the companirs won't be bought by a foreign firms

DexterousOne:


I was talking of institutional investors In general.


Pension Funds are just one type of institutional investors.

If I were a fund manager
A good percentage of my allocation is going abroad chasing opportunities



It's out there for the taking

And as an African
I have to go get my own piece

Yes Sir.

I am an individual investor. .....I have Afolabi units outside the shores as you mentioned

I will do likewise if am in charge of a bigger financial institution

Torture2020:
and you don't think a number of Nigerians have that feeling towards Ghana?

It's two ways

But I'll say it's worse among Ghanaians (that is the section of them who dont like us)


That's my experience sha

ukay2:


Yes Sir.

I am an individual investor. .....I have Afolabi units outside the shores as you mentioned

I will do likewise if am in charge of a bigger financial institution

You have a broker that helps you trade in south Africa?

emmanuelewumi:


What is percentage of the dot com businesses that are still existing, less than 10% and Investors lost huge funds

Thank God you said bubbles, I prefer the maximum daily 10% gain or loss in the Nigerian Stock Exchange compared over 100% daily gain and over 90% daily loss in the New York Stock Exchange

As we saw some weeks ago .....

ukay2:


Yes Sir.

I am an individual investor. .....I have Afolabi units outside the shores as you mentioned

I will do likewise if am in charge of a bigger financial institution

Afolabi units?

You care to expand on that?

emmanuelewumi:



The grass is usually greener on other side, foreigners are now buying into some of our Pension Fund management firms because they have identified huge growth and returns.

AIICO pension fund manager and Axa Mansard Pensions are for sale, I hope the companirs won't be bought by a foreign firms

Exactly


So let Nigerians go seek opportunities out there too

Nigeria is not the only country with opportunities

Let them go out there and seek opportunity too

DexterousOne:


But that range is what makes it an efficient market.

The NSE 10 % in both directions band is both good and also bad


But sha

NSE is not doing so bad either

But I seek to spread out

USA and SA

If I find a broker from here that can help me trade stocks on tbe JSE in South Africa
I'll be so happy

There are Securities Africa to mention a few.

What type of growth in the fundamentals of a business will lead to 150% growth in the stock price in 24 hours, or loss of 95% loss in 24 years. Is that not madness?

DexterousOne:


You have a broker that helps you trade in south Africa?

US

emmanuelewumi:



There are Securities Africa to mention a few.

What type of growth in the fundamentals of a business will lead to 150% growth in the stock price in 24 hours, or loss of 95% loss in 24 years. Is that not madness?

Securities Africa?

I'll check them out

Thank you


As for the wild oscillator

That's why it is called the FREE MARKET.


We all know that investor sentiment is one of the key drivers of pricing

That said; we also know that the share price of a company is the present value of expected cashflow/returns to the business


So if the investors believe that the future earning potentials is huge, then they go for it, and it will reflect in the pricing of the stock

150% rise means the investors believe the earning potentials of the business is gonna double over the future

That's just how it is sir

And we all know this


But in Nigeria

Everything scatter scatter

DexterousOne:


Exactly


So let Nigerians go seek opportunities out there too

Nigeria is not the only country with opportunities

Let them go out there and seek opportunity too

The institutional Investors have shareholders, you don't look outside when you have not fully harnessed the opportunities within.

Dangote went out after he conquered the cement market in Nigeria. He is currently exporting the products to other West African countries.

A hustler or trader can go out of Nigeria to do small business or menial jobs in other countries,. You can't expect this from institutional Investors who might need to make investments of $10 million and above in most cases