evergreen9:
What are the most important things (type of clothes, etc) that a Nigerian student has to get ready before coming over to Germany, especially at the winter months?

On clothes: Just get enough clothes, preferably of Jean or other thick material you wear. On Jacket and Boots, get the best layered one you can get in Nigeria, with the believe that you are still going to buy better ones when you enter DE because that is when you can actually evaluate the reality yourself. More expensive but whether you are going to need to buy additional/new ones will depend on the ones you came in with and what you can cope with.

On Food: If you are a keen NG foodie, you should get your supposedly non-negotiable ingredients. Although, you should be able to get them in DE too after you probably settle down but how easy that will be and the cost might depends on your location.

Please how do I renew my passport in Germany? Appointment booking is currently on hold for all consular services at the embassy in Berlin. I need this passport urgently.

Hello guys, apart from study visa what other visa can i use to get to germany ? ( i'm not interested in going back to school ), i'm a software developer and currently work remotely for an organization in germany.

Codedboy95:
Hello guys, apart from study visa what other visa can i use to get to germany ? ( i'm not interested in going back to school ), i'm a software developer and currently work remotely for an organization in germany.

I am not really sure if this question fits the objective of this thread or not but...
One option is Work Visa - since you said you are already working with a German company remotely , you can talk to them to know if they can sponsor you for one and if they can't, you can seek employment with another company that can. You can also sponsor yourself for a limited one (6 months) to come live and seek employment in DE, if you meet the requirements. (I won't advise any of my friend to do this sha).

Another Option is Reunion - this requires that you are legally married to someone that presently lives in DE and meets the necessary requirements.
PS: You can always get all the possible Visa options and their respective requirements from the German Embassy in NG website.

Codedboy95:
Hello guys, apart from study visa what other visa can i use to get to germany ? ( i'm not interested in going back to school ), i'm a software developer and currently work remotely for an organization in germany.

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Who told you everybody that enters Germany with student visa go there for only schooling? There are so many opportunities when you get to DE....Considering all the options available, student visa still remains the best.. Imagine you have about two years to settle down and look for job, anytime you get the job you quit your studies and start working.. Unlike entering Germany with 6 months job hunt visa where you would be under serious pressure to get a job within that short period.

SOLARPOWER1:


Who told you everybody that enters Germany with student visa go there for schooling...Considering all tie options available, student visa still remains the best.. Imagine you have about two years to settle down and look for job, anytime you get the job you quit your studies and start working.. Unlike entering Germany with 6 months job hunt visa where you would be under serious pressure to get a job within that short period.

Beliefs like this is why it's getting harder and harder to get a student visa into Germany from Nigeria. The government has probably run the numbers and discovered that most Nigerians who come to study do not actually get the qualification they came for and instead abandon it for some low skilled jobs most times. Other nationalities like Indians come in and focus on their studies, finish it and then get higher paying jobs and contribute to the system.

Buliwyf:


Beliefs like this is why it's getting harder and harder to get a student visa into Germany from Nigeria. The government has probably run the numbers and discovered that most Nigerians who come to study do not actually get the qualification they came for and instead abandon it for some low skilled jobs most times. Other nationalities like Indians come in and focus on their studies, finish it and then get higher paying jobs and contribute to the system.

Please calm down, you are just being self righteous here.. You didn't read the guy's post where he said he is not interested in pursuing a degree again?... Pray you don't find yourself in some tight situations most people that quit studies like that found themselves in... My friend use to say it is always a smooth drive, free from accident when you drive a vehicle by just describing how you would navigate by mouth...... And don't bring visa issue into this, Nigerians are not the only citizens who quit studies for jobs and moreover if the job is not good enough to acquire a resident permit, the German government will not issue the permit....

Moreover, German companies and industries are not looking for big degree holders, they are looking for people who can deliver on the job......Companies don't hire degrees, they hire and pay for skills; the world has moved away from that degree acquisition and accumulation system that you believe in , if you have the skills for that "higher paying" job you talked about (don't know what you mean by that anyway) they will give you the job , degree or no degree; especially with the recent law that was passed.

My friend who graduated about a year ago after Msc in Germany just got a job recently with salary of about 43k euros while I know an IT guy that dropped out earlier from the same Msc program immediately he got a job of about 65k euros (he doesn't have masters o, only Bsc from Nigeria with IT skills)....Please do more research and reevaluate your stance so you don't condemn people unnecessarily, the world is changing and in the nearest future Msc and Phd will no longer represent what they represent now in the minds of many...

SOLARPOWER1:


Please calm down, you are just being self righteous here.. You didn't read the guy's post where he said he is not interested in pursuing a degree again?... Pray you don't find yourself in some tight situations most people that quit studies like that found themselves in... My friend use to say it is always a smooth drive, free from accident when you drive a vehicle by just describing how you would navigate by mouth...... And don't bring visa issue into this, Nigerians are not the only citizens who quit studies for jobs and moreover if the job is not good enough to acquire a resident permit, the German government will not issue the permit....

Moreover, German companies and industries are not looking for big degree holders, they are looking for people who can deliver on the job......Companies don't hire degrees, they hire and pay for skills; the world has moved away from that degree acquisition and accumulation system that you believe in , if you have the skills for that "higher paying" job you talked about (don't know what you mean by that anyway) they will give you the job , degree or no degree; especially with the recent law that was passed.

My friend who graduated about a year ago after Msc in Germany just got a job recently with salary of about 43k euros while I know an IT guy that dropped out earlier from the same Msc program immediately he got a job of about 65k euros (he doesn't have masters o, only Bsc from Nigeria with IT skills)....Please do more research and reevaluate your stance so you don't condemn people unnecessarily, the world is changing and in the nearest future Msc and Phd will no longer represent what they represent now in the minds of many...

Lol. More unnecessary story. Dude I am in the IT line if you don't know. Right now I am studying and working as well. Some of you just make up stories without considering the situation. You think your friend who is making 65k before tax will be able to compete in the future with someone with masters and with the skills? How much will the 65k be after tax and other deductions? How much is the rent in the city he is earning that? Lol.
In a few years time who do you think will have more mobility in the career? Your friend who dropped out of school or some Indian who actually finished his masters in a German school and got a job?

What I see here is the general Nigerian need for short term comfort and not long-term thinking. After 1 year in the job your friend probably start wishing he had done the masters and fast tracked his career too. IT work is no joke. I mean real IT work not just being stuck in a front-end role creating web pages for years that most of you think is all what IT is about. If you don't have the perseverance to see a master's degree to completion you probably aren't cut out for it.

Sometimes it's just not about the present situation. I have friends that did what you are advising a few years back and I have friends that did otherwise. I know the difference career wise today.

Finally all you said doesn't take anything away from the fact that Student Visas are getting harder and harder by the day. Simply because Nigerians are one of the highest truants in Germany.

The world hasn't moved beyond certificates. Even jobs and skills now require certification. People with masters still get paid more one the average than people with BSc for the same role. And for you to move higher and even get some opportunities your education and skills both speak for you.

This is not to take anything away from your friend though. He could be one of the exceptions. But then again sooner or later he has to compete with another exceptional person with the same skill set.

SOLARPOWER1:


Please calm down, you are just being self righteous here.. You didn't read the guy's post where he said he is not interested in pursuing a degree again?... Pray you don't find yourself in some tight situations most people that quit studies like that found themselves in... My friend use to say it is always a smooth drive, free from accident when you drive a vehicle by just describing how you would navigate by mouth...... And don't bring visa issue into this, Nigerians are not the only citizens who quit studies for jobs and moreover if the job is not good enough to acquire a resident permit, the German government will not issue the permit....

Moreover, German companies and industries are not looking for big degree holders, they are looking for people who can deliver on the job......Companies don't hire degrees, they hire and pay for skills; the world has moved away from that degree acquisition and accumulation system that you believe in , if you have the skills for that "higher paying" job you talked about (don't know what you mean by that anyway) they will give you the job , degree or no degree; especially with the recent law that was passed.

My friend who graduated about a year ago after Msc in Germany just got a job recently with salary of about 43k euros while I know an IT guy that dropped out earlier from the same Msc program immediately he got a job of about 65k euros (he doesn't have masters o, only Bsc from Nigeria with IT skills)....Please do more research and reevaluate your stance so you don't condemn people unnecessarily, the world is changing and in the nearest future Msc and Phd will no longer represent what they represent now in the minds of many...

I can't believe you are saying this in a public forum, what is bad is bad, its so wrong to get a student visa to go and abandon your studies for work are you kidding me? comparing your friend who dropped out to someone who finished schooling? like seriously? why do we always think cheating the system is worth it, now I know why German embassy only want first class from a certain period from Nigerians, with other countries getting better requirements for application, it's all glaring, people that really want to study now can't get visa sef. That advice you gave the guy is terrible, if he can't study he should get a work visa or sit his ass in Nigeria.

clintonsparkz:
I can't believe you are saying this in a public forum, what is bad is bad, its so wrong to get a student visa to go and abandon your studies for work are you kidding me? comparing your friend who dropped out to someone who finished schooling? like seriously? why do we always think cheating the system is worth it, now I know why German embassy only want first class from a certain period from Nigerians, with other countries getting better requirements for application, it's all glaring, people that really want to study now can't get visa sef. That advice you gave the guy is terrible, if he can't study he should get a work visa or sit his ass in Nigeria.

"He should sit his ass in Nigeria?". ...Thank God you are not the consular general .....I know people like you... When you get in, you are ready to shut the doors on others and if we investigate you properly now, we would still find out one loop hole in all this your self righteous face you are trying to paint here... I am not moved by it, it is a long old Pharisees approach.... If the German government are against it, they should cancel every permit for every foreigners who dropped out of schools to get and job ....Look at the way you are putting it like those companies came to give my friend the job in his house...For your information.. The guy in question is EXTREMELY GOOD... He is not even your average student, the only problem is he does not worship certificates like you want to make us do here...

Visa issue is affecting different countries with high population even India the other op was boasting about face the same issues, infact the visa issue in india is worse, I can send you screen shots of my chats with Indian students concerning this.....

Personally, I am an academic person and I already plan to run my studies to at least phd level minimum, so don't think you are talking to somebody who is afraid to study... But in the same light, I will not force this my desire to study on another person, and I will not condemned anybody who do otherwise, I know IT guys in canada and usa working in great companies without college degrees (I mean not even Bsc)hence I refuse to be myopic by viewing career growth in terms of degrees only and concerning the career growth you emphasized... Not everybody is planning on hanging on to working and looking for better pay and better jobs till they retire... Try to see through a lens like starting up your own IT firm, creating innovative and disruptive solutions in the IT world etc, where degree or no degree is inconsequential

SOLARPOWER1:


Visa issue is affecting different countries with high population even India the other op was boasting about face the same issues, infact the visa issue in india is worse, I can send you screen shots of my chats with Indian students concerning this.....

Personally, I am an academic person and I already plan to run my studies to at least phd level minimum, so don't think you are talking to somebody who is afraid to study... But in the same light, I will not force this my desire to study on another person, and I will not condemned anybody who do otherwise, I know IT guys in canada and usa working in great companies without college degrees (I mean not even Bsc)hence I refuse to be myopic by viewing career growth in terms of degrees only and concerning the career growth you emphasized... Not everybody is planning on hanging on to working and looking for better pay and better jobs till they retire... Try to see through a lens like starting up your own IT firm, creating innovative and disruptive solutions in the IT world etc, where degree or no degree is inconsequential

You are saying something different, I am saying it is utterly wrong to advice or support someone to get study visa when he has no intention on studying but rather wants abandon schooling to work, it is wrong. there are some things we are not suppose to write here, nairaland is a large public forum. Just so u know.

SOLARPOWER1:


Who told you everybody that enters Germany with student visa go there for schooling...Considering all tie options available, student visa still remains the best.. Imagine you have about two years to settle down and look for job, anytime you get the job you quit your studies and start working.. Unlike entering Germany with 6 months job hunt visa where you would be under serious pressure to get a job within that short period.

This is very misleading please. If I'm not mistaken, you're not even in Germany. You need to stay off from whoever is giving you all these wrong information....nawa for you ooo

Buliwyf:


Beliefs like this is why it's getting harder and harder to get a student visa into Germany from Nigeria. The government has probably run the numbers and discovered that most Nigerians who come to study do not actually get the qualification they came for and instead abandon it for some low skilled jobs most times. Other nationalities like Indians come in and focus on their studies, finish it and then get higher paying jobs and contribute to the system.

God will bless you my brother...all these people keep representing africans badly which is just pathetic. No wonder majority of us end up in degrading jobs and are quick to always shout racism

clintonsparkz:
I can't believe you are saying this in a public forum, what is bad is bad, its so wrong to get a student visa to go and abandon your studies for work are you kidding me? comparing your friend who dropped out to someone who finished schooling? like seriously? why do we always think cheating the system is worth it, now I know why German embassy only want first class from a certain period from Nigerians, with other countries getting better requirements for application, it's all glaring, people that really want to study now can't get visa sef. That advice you gave the guy is terrible, if he can't study he should get a work visa or sit his ass in Nigeria.

I'm very proud we still have reasonable people around..please let's continue to call out these foolishness from some of our people...its just so sad how people reason..big ups to you ma guy

SOLARPOWER1:



"He should sit his ass in Nigeria?". ...Thank God you are not the consular general .....I know people like you... When you get in, you are ready to shut the doors on others and if we investigate you properly now, we would still find out one loop hole in all this your self righteous face you are trying to paint here... I am not moved by it, it is a long old Pharisees approach.... If the German government are against it, they should cancel every permit for every foreigners who dropped out of schools to get and job ....Look at the way you are putting it like those companies came to give my friend the job in his house...For your information.. The guy in question is EXTREMELY GOOD... He is not even your average student, the only problem is he does not worship certificates like you want to make us do here...

Visa issue is affecting different countries with high population even India the other op was boasting about face the same issues, infact the visa issue in india is worse, I can send you screen shots of my chats with Indian students concerning this.....

Personally, I am an academic person and I already plan to run my studies to at least phd level minimum, so don't think you are talking to somebody who is afraid to study... But in the same light, I will not force this my desire to study on another person, and I will not condemned anybody who do otherwise, I know IT guys in canada and usa working in great companies without college degrees (I mean not even Bsc)hence I refuse to be myopic by viewing career growth in terms of degrees only and concerning the career growth you emphasized... Not everybody is planning on hanging on to working and looking for better pay and better jobs till they retire... Try to see through a lens like starting up your own IT firm, creating innovative and disruptive solutions in the IT world etc, where degree or no degree is inconsequential

You're just spewing BS. The point is that your earlier comment was completely wrong and you are still defending yourself with unnecessary epistle

I see my question is causing chaos, I'm also strongly against applying for study visa and dropping out, but to the guy that said you need certificate in IT world, I don't think you are into IT, If you are, you will know that certificate means nothing, what matters is what you can do, if without a certificate you can't get a good job, it means you are not just good enough.

You don't know anything about tech at all ,for you to say Frontend role is not a real IT, every technology built today has interface and it's built by Frontend Dev and you are even comparing certificate with skills in tech ,I have a lot of my friend that grad has a computer science student can't build what I can build and am not computer science student , go and check Google and Facebook job portals ,they ask for masters degree and still require someone that have good experience that don't have masters.

Buliwyf:


Lol. More unnecessary story. Dude I am in the IT line if you don't know. Right now I am studying and working as well. Some of you just make up stories without considering the situation. You think your friend who is making 65k before tax will be able to compete in the future with someone with masters and with the skills? How much will the 65k be after tax and other deductions? How much is the rent in the city he is earning that? Lol.
In a few years time who do you think will have more mobility in the career? Your friend who dropped out of school or some Indian who actually finished his masters in a German school and got a job?

What I see here is the general Nigerian need for short term comfort and not long-term thinking. After 1 year in the job your friend probably start wishing he had done the masters and fast tracked his career too. IT work is no joke. I mean real IT work not just being stuck in a front-end role creating web pages for years that most of you think is all what IT is about. If you don't have the perseverance to see a master's degree to completion you probably aren't cut out for it.

Sometimes it's just not about the present situation. I have friends that did what you are advising a few years back and I have friends that did otherwise. I know the difference career wise today.

Finally all you said doesn't take anything away from the fact that Student Visas are getting harder and harder by the day. Simply because Nigerians are one of the highest truants in Germany.

The world hasn't moved beyond certificates. Even jobs and skills now require certification. People with masters still get paid more one the average than people with BSc for the same role. And for you to move higher and even get some opportunities your education and skills both speak for you.

This is not to take anything away from your friend though. He could be one of the exceptions. But then again sooner or later he has to compete with another exceptional person with the same skill set.

This is just my two cents to the discussion and not a direct response to anyone.

I will like to think we really can't have absolutes on these issues as it is more of individual preferences, what works for an individual or worked for a lot of people around him/her (information).

1. Regardless of mode of entry, the larger percentage of immigrants that enters a country are largely economic immigrants. I know this, you know this, your school/company/institution/state/city know this. So, it is a game of who can extract the biggest value from the other within well defined parameters. Therefore, on the issue of changing purpose of entry. I think I will like to also follow the guys that are against abruptly changing it, not because it is wrong but so that it won't become a pattern. On individual level, it is awesome but on a collective/community level, I am not sure it is the best thing. Students are also targeted economic immigrants and with a federated country like DE, it is somewhat a competitive economic advantage to attract them with each state trying to optimize their resources to get the best they can get without compromising much.
That is why you can easily get admission/visa in some schools/state than the other, even with similar program. Not all the states can make the Tuition move that Baden-Wuttemberg made not too long ago concerning Non-EU students, or all of the states requiring that you renew your blocked account every year.

In a nutshell, whether you want to believe me or not, all foreign students data are not just sitting in one office, pattern are drawn from them and are valuable factor for possible next set. That is why I think the requirements to get anything in DE gets updated relatively fast and I think people that have lived/stay in a city/state/school for more than 1.5 years might be able to attest to that fact.
I am not saying this is a contributory factor to the recent visa experience of prospective NG students as I don't have such fact but I won't rule it out either. However, for we in DE, as we are all trying to do and get the best out of the land for ourselves, don't let us forget the ones that might be coming behind us too.

2. On the issue of certificate, regardless of whether in IT or not, the type of certificate (traditional structured degrees or not). It will continue to be relevant especially because it is a means of evaluating knowledge and it really makes it easier. However, if we take US that runs a core capitalist economic syatem, has a very expensive education system and NG that has a not-so-good education system and runs a anywhere-belle-face economy(apologies to the patriotic ones, I really don't know the type we are running) . It is only normal that people from such system seek alternative ways to improve themselves and thereby put less emphasis on acquiring such degrees. It will be very hard to say the same for a country like DE with quality and 'free' education system. E.g I know of a department in a bigCo where you can't join permanently as an employee if you have anything less than a relevant PhD just as we have more than enough founders/business-leaders/leads/innovators with no `degrees`. For anyone with a green paali, biko pack as much as many degrees as you pack o ... you neva know when you will need to bring any of them forward unless you are 100% sure you CAN never need them.
Again, there is no right or wrong on this. It just depends on the type/kind of table you want to seat at or the type you want to build in the next few months. Na carreer matter


I think we can easily lose the proper context of this type of engagement if we over-elevate individual experiences like total earnings, how fast he/she gets a job, which company he/she works over the obtainable average, simply because we might be neglecting individual differences and preferences that might have played a big role.
With more than 5 years experience running errands in Tech/IT in NG and DE, from small startups to medium ones, to bigCoys, from the ones that demands not just your certificates but even certified references, to the others that don't care about anything as long as you can 'code'.
From front to backend engineering, to Ops, Designers, Products to deepTech, none is more important/real/superior than the other. Context is the judge of the value and value determines what you can get and how you can get it. What you get (Your Earnings) for whatever value you are offering also depends on the person buying it and not just 100% on you. Just like every other discipline, there are part of Tech/IT that you can (easily) learn yourself and sometimes on your own and there are some that you can't.

In summary, Understand yourself as much as you can, the society you live in, figure out your position in the scheme of things and what it will take you to get there.

Those in DE should keep sharing from their wealth of experience, so that we can all keep making better and informed decisions.

Badmuskennis007:
You don't know anything about tech at all ,for you to say Frontend role is not a real IT, every technology built today has interface and it's built by Frontend Dev and you are even comparing certificate with skills in tech ,I have a lot of my friend that grad has a computer science student can't build what I can build and am not computer science student , go and check Google and Facebook job portals ,they ask for masters degree and still require someone that have good experience that don't have masters.

You are sounding very pained for nothing. Dude, computer science is beyond front end. Far far beyond it. You want to compare yourself with the people building the OS or the compilers? The guys writing the networking code for cloud computing; the VMs, containers, orchestration technology and other stuff that makes the system run? Those have that harder problems to solve? Lol. Wake up.

Your friend may not be a front-end guy. But if he is a serious person he would have more grasp of the fundamentals of computer science than you ever will. Don't let anyone catch you talking like computer science and IT is only about programming. Or that front end web dev makes you the sh!t. You have been warned. Lol

You can lie to yourself all you want but a guy with masters and the skills you have will end up being considered before you 9 times out of 10. Going to school is the first sign recruiters and companies check for your ability to commit yourself. And it's the same in Germany. For every 1 guy without the education that makes it in tech in places like Google and Facebook, there are 20 guys with the education too.

One more question. How long do you think you can push a front-end web dev career? By your mid to late 30s I doubt most companies will still want to hire you. They will all mostly be looking for younger guys without so much experience than can still do the work and get paid for less. You need to build a career in a skill set that becomes more desirable as you age and your experience begins to count more. So the fundamentals and your education begins to count even more then.

Like I said to the other guy: longer term plans Vs short term comfort. Make your decision.

Any one with information for flights.
Be stuck here in naija for a while. Hold a valid residence permit.

Codedboy95:
I see my question is causing chaos, I'm also strongly against applying for study visa and dropping out, but to the guy that said you need certificate in IT world, I don't think you are into IT, If you are, you will know that certificate means nothing, what matters is what you can do, if without a certificate you can't get a good job, it means you are not just good enough.

if without a certificate you can't get a good job, it means you are not just good enough

The bolded line above just summarize what I am trying to pass across, the guy should expect the shock of his life if he enters the industry with that 'certification mindset'.... I read an article recently by the co-founder of fast.ai where she was regretting and lamenting how going for a phd was a waste of time for he, stating how she would have learnt more if she spent that time and energy in the industry and work environment...

.What some people don't know is that you learn way faster on the job especially in a professional environment. I am not planning to leave my studies in Germany for job but I will not deceive myself that my degree makes me better than anybody if I don't build the required skills

SOLARPOWER1:

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Who told you everybody that enters Germany with student visa go there for only schooling? There are so many opportunities when you get to DE....Considering all the options available, student visa still remains the best.. Imagine you have about two years to settle down and look for job, anytime you get the job you quit your studies and start working.. Unlike entering Germany with 6 months job hunt visa where you would be under serious pressure to get a job within that short period.

You really can't be serious, people with this mindset are part of the problem we are facing today.

justwise:


You really can't be serious, people with this mindset are part of the problem we are facing today.

You are free to remove the post...If not that it has already been quoted by others I would have taken it down. It has generated too much controversy here

Let me quickly say this. I personally would not advice anyone to quit study and started hunting for job.

However, it is obvious that Germany need more working class immigrants especially in those unregulated field to contribute to the economy through payment of tax and social securities. Germany doesn't not run a pension scheme like Nigeria where pension fund is kept aside in a safe, they run a system where the current working populace pay those who have retired and the flow continues like that. As a student you contribute almost nothing to the economy, it's even worse when you keep changing schools and didnt finish the master on time.

In as much as you want to condemn the act, note that the system permit it and in fact has a very smooth path to change your residence status. A friend confirmed that from one of the staff at the Munich foreign office.

So, doing stuff that is totally permitted by the immigration law shouldn't be seen as bad.

SOLARPOWER1:


if without a certificate you can't get a good job, it means you are not just good enough

The bolded line above just summarize what I am trying to pass across, the guy should expect the shock of his life if he enters the industry with that 'certification mindset'. ... I read an article recently by the co-founder of fast.ai where she was regretting and lamenting how going for a phd was a waste of time for he, stating how she would have learnt more if she spent that time and energy in the industry and work environment...

.What some people don't know is that you learn way faster on the job especially in a professional environment. I am not planning to leave my studies in Germany for job but I will not deceive myself that my degree makes me better than anybody if I don't build the required skills

I am just laughing at you here. Dude I had 5 years experience before I left Nigeria. So compared to me you probably don't even know what you are talking about when it comes to knowing the importance of having skills in IT or otherwise. Believe you me.

The story you shared about Fast.ai deals with someone who went for PhD. Who doesn't know that getting a PhD is just a form of apprenticeship for a life in research and academia? But I bet the person wasn't making the same arguments about masters. If you want to work in industry you probably don't need a PhD. So she was just regretting that earlier career choice.

The beauty of having an education especially at masters level in a system that works like most Western democracies are not just the education or the certificates. Also consider the sort of networking opportunities it opens you up to. Some of the people you meet in an educational environment today will be a big payoff tomorrow. Those guys will be tomorrow's managers and politicians in those countries. These are the sort of networking money can't buy. The sort of connection people click randomly on LinkedIn to have.

Some companies have even blossomed from school work projects and friendships. Some of the projects you work on in school will become career-makers. These are just the facts.

See I will stop here. But he that hath ear must have heard.

In the end, every man will still do what pleases him. May fortune smile on us all.

Buliwyf:


I am just laughing at you here. Dude I had 5 years experience before I left Nigeria. So compared to me you probably don't even know what you are talking about when it comes to knowing the importance of having skills in IT or otherwise. Believe you me.

The story you shared about Fast.ai deals with someone who went for PhD. Who doesn't know that getting a PhD is just a form of apprenticeship for a life in research and academia? But I bet the person wasn't making the same arguments about masters. If you want to work in industry you probably don't need a PhD. So she was just regretting that earlier career choice.

The beauty of having an education especially at masters level in a system that works like most Western democracies are not just the education or the certificates. Also consider the sort of networking opportunities it opens you up to. Some of the people you meet in an educational environment today will be a big payoff tomorrow. Those guys will be tomorrow's managers and politicians in those countries. These are the sort of networking money can't buy. The sort of connection people click randomly on LinkedIn to have.

Some companies have even blossomed from school work projects and friendships. Some of the projects you work on in school will become career-makers. These are just the facts.

See I will stop here. But he that hath ear must have heard.

In the end, every man will still do what pleases him. May fortune smile on us all.

like I said before if you believe you need certificate to "boost" yourself it means you are not good enough. Good software engineers show projects and experience not certificate, if I own a company I will be more interested in your skills not the certificates you have, any company that's wow'ed by your certificate is a "baby company" big companies are more interested in your skills. I'm not saying certificate won't get you job but when you place someone that has certificates with another person who is a dropout but has portfolios, the dropout wins any day any time, go on twitter and see what dropouts are building.

stephots10:
Let me quickly say this. I personally would not advice anyone to quit study and started hunting for job.

However, it is obvious that Germany need more working class immigrants especially in those unregulated field to contribute to the economy through payment of tax and social securities. Germany doesn't not run a pension scheme like Nigeria where pension fund is kept aside in a safe, they run a system where the current working populace pay those who have retired and the flow continues like that. As a student you contribute almost nothing to the economy, it's even worse when you keep changing schools and didnt finish the master on time.

In as much as you want to condemn the act, note that the system permit it and in fact has a very smooth path to change your residence status. A friend confirmed that from one of the staff at the Munich foreign office.

So, doing stuff that is totally permitted by the immigration law shouldn't be seen as bad.

Show me any official link to support this false claim you made up there

This is totally misleading and should not be taken seriously. The system did not encourage foreign students to abound their studies and start working full time. lets not even attempt to encourage what is obviously bad here.

justwise:


Show me any official link to support this false claim you made up there

This is totally misleading and should not be taken seriously. The system did not encourage foreign students to abound their studies and start working full time. lets not even attempt to encourage what is obviously bad here.

I'm sure I didn't state anywhere that the system encourage students to abandon their studies. My point is that change of resident title is allowed simple

stephots10:


I'm sure I didn't state anywhere that the system encourage students to abandon their studies. My point is that change of resident title is allowed simple

This is completely different thing and you know it, you stated that the system permitted it and that it should not be seen as bad, that its a path to change residence status.

Are you denying what you wrote or you realized that you made a mistake?

Codedboy95:

like I said before if you believe you need certificate to "boost" yourself it means you are not good enough. Good software engineers show projects and experience not certificate, if I own a company I will be more interested in your skills not the certificates you have, any company that's wow'ed by your certificate is a "baby company" big companies are more interested in your skills. I'm not saying certificate won't get you job but when you place someone that has certificates with another person who is a dropout but has portfolios, the dropout wins any day any time, go on twitter and see what dropouts are building.

Lol. It's very clear that you haven't worked in any corporate environment before and don't know what office politics is. You are probably one of those guys that read a book on programming did some few small projects for some people and started feeling fly. You probably cannot build a fully functional distributed system on your own or provision networking components remotely which are the things I worked on before even leaving Nigeria.

One of the open source projects I am being paid for right now is run by a senior software solutions architect at a very famous multinational in Germany. The only reason I got the job is because of my education and skills and because he finished his masters from my school 2 years ago. And this guy was already a highly skilled Eclipse framework developer with years of skills and commitment under his belt. If you had had to develop on Eclipse there's no way you won't have heard of the guy. When I asked him why he felt the need to complete a master degree in my school, considering what I already know about him, he told me he needed it to further his career. Lol. That's a German citizen in Germany with years of experience. There are a few in my other departments in my school working and doing their masters too. They are all also IT guys.

To give another example, I have built and commited to the Flutter SDK repository a few times. One of the guys that actually started the Flutter community was on Twitter begging for jobs a few weeks ago. This is a guy with years of experience and commits under his name. He still couldn't get someone to hire him. So he had to cry out. That's because he was still a mobile developer while most of his mates had transitioned into management by studying and certificates mostly MBAs.

Certificates are one of the first things they will look out for in your CV. It shows commitment and time investment. It helps you get your foot in the door for interviews and demonstrates that at least you are likely to have some of the skills you claim to have. In IT today AWS certification counts a lot. People pay money to have it. If it's as unimportant as you claim then it won't be so popular. Portfolios are also good. But nobody has argued against having portfolios here. I have one too. I am talking about long term career mobility.

I usually don't comment on German study threads and I probably won't comment again for a long while but something brought me here and I feel someone needs to hear this.

Buliwyf:


Beliefs like this is why it's getting harder and harder to get a student visa into Germany from Nigeria. The government has probably run the numbers and discovered that most Nigerians who come to study do not actually get the qualification they came for and instead abandon it for some low skilled jobs most times. Other nationalities like Indians come in and focus on their studies, finish it and then get higher paying jobs and contribute to the system.

Tomorrow, they will accuse the German government of racism and say Indians are being subservient to oyinbos. Next thing, they form a BLM organisation in Germany and go woke. Few years from now, that's what should be expected after all most don't like following rules and regulations.

justwise:


This is completely different thing and you know it, you stated that the system permitted it and that it should not be seen as bad, that its a path to change residence status.

Are you denying what you wrote or you realized that you made a mistake?

You asked me for a proof and I shared a screen shot of an official document with you. If you insist my assertions were wrong I think I'll have to agree with you as it's not in my nature to go back and forth on issues that are of less importance to me.

Everybody should follow whatever they believe is in their best interest as long as they act within the confiment of the law. The bottom line is "do not break the law"