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Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Sheunma: 6:32am On Jun 30, 2020
There are different route of giving drugs to people: drugs can be swallowed, placed underneath the tongue, inserted through the anus and vagina, rubbed on the skin, injected into the vessels, injected into the muscles and underneath the skin etc etc. Infact, in today's world, drugs can be administered almost anywhere in the body.

Someone who swallows antimalarial tablet has taken same drug as another who have antimalarial injected into them. They are all the same thing. It does not mean at all that people who take injections are seriously or terminally sick. A maglignant cancer patient could be placed on oral drugs while someone nail prick while working in a farm could get injections. In short, many things determine what route drugs are administered and most of the time it's not due to how serious an ailment is.

It is mischievous and I dare say ignorant to say I have not taken ingection in years when you gulp loads of tablets down your gut in the name of multivitamins every single day. My father is hypertensive and basically moves about with packets of assorted antihypertensive drugs. Since I knew to differentiate by right from my left hand, I do not remember him take injections for anything.

I wish MOGs would stop saying things like this. Some of their listeners and followers most often than not, in what I describe as blind Faith, lean toward the extreme by refusing medications in whatever form even for potentially life threatening illnesses. Many people rely on religious leaders for directions and decision making in almost all aspects of their lives and statements like this is could be potentially dangerous to them and family members.

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Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 7:04am On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
if you know this, why then did you suggest earlier than Jesus Christ's power was limited by the belief of those He supposedly attempted to heal? undecided

Don't you even see how you harbor contradicting beliefs there?

Let me help you here: God is all powerful and he sent his son to the world so that all men can be saved. John 3:16. But are all men saved? No. Why? Because all men have free will. He created us as free moral agents- agents of choice. You either choose to believe in him or not. He doesn’t force anyone even though he is all-powerful.

Same way Jesus is all powerful to heal but he cannot force this power on anyone. You either choose to believe in him and get healed or disbelieve him and remain sick. What happened in his home country was that they disbelieved him, and so he couldn’t force anything on them. Does this change his all-powerful status. No. Think about it...
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 7:12am On Jun 30, 2020
XXXXTENTACION:
Why do people fall sick today.

Because they are ignorant of the divine health provision that has been made for then by Jesus Christ. Matt 8:17. People perish for lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Goke7: 7:29am On Jun 30, 2020
Bishop is just all about the numbers, attendance and figures, those things don't impress God as He doesn't dwell in temples made with human hands. You can't plant 1 million churches, who cares? Are the folks in those churches truly living the Christian life as enshrined in scriptures?

Not all can be deceived with all these claims of successes according to man's judgement. The Lord knoweth those who are His 2 Tim 2:19
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by XXXXTENTACION: 7:49am On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
A sad thing indeed for a man to worship another human being. cry
i just pity for the guy.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by XXXXTENTACION: 7:51am On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:


Because they are ignorant of the divine health provision that has been made for then by Jesus Christ. Matt 8:17. People perish for lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6
So you are saying that all those 3million people that are suffering from corona virus today is due to ignorance right
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 9:16am On Jun 30, 2020
XXXXTENTACION:
So you are saying that all those 3million people that are suffering from corona virus today is due to ignorance right

The answer to your question is yes bro. My friend, life is demystified when you know and understand the Word of God.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by XXXXTENTACION: 9:21am On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:


The answer to your question is yes bro. My friend, life is demystified when you know and understand the Word of God.
what of thoes that have not experienced the word of god what happens to them.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 9:31am On Jun 30, 2020
XXXXTENTACION:
what of thoes that have not experienced the word of god what happens to them.

That’s why Jesus put all believers on a mission to take the gospel to the uttermost parts of the earth. For those that don’t know the Word of God yet, we keep praying for them and reaching out to them until they hear about the love and goodness of God.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by XXXXTENTACION: 9:35am On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:


That’s why Jesus put all believers on a mission to take the gospel to the uttermost parts of the earth. For those that don’t know the Word of God yet, we keep praying for them and reaching out to them until they hear about the love and goodness of God.
nigeria is one of the most religous country in the world yet we are one of the underdeveloped nations in the world why is that
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by onlyfacts: 9:44am On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:


And why do you think he’d want to lie about this?

Has he not been travelling abroad over the years? If he has then he must have taken the mandatory yellow fever vaccine.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by onlyfacts: 9:50am On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:
“I have not received any injection in the last 51 years and I can never take any vaccine”

“Where corona virus started there was no Churche!”

“Do you Love the Church more than you love the market?”

“My Outreach team got more than 3,000 people into Church during this lockdown, more than what we got before the lockdown.”

“We are not establishing churches for offering otherwise we won't be planting them in villages. We are seeking the unreached.”

“We are all conversant with the fact that God wants all men saved (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). We are also aware that God wants every city, every town taken for the Kingdom (Deuteronomy 2:36). He wants cities taken, He wants towns taken, He wants villages taken. This is vital.”

“To show how He wants it taken, it is by wisdom that we take over cities, towns and villages (Proverbs 21:22).”

“By His grace, we planted 5082 Churches last year but what is unique about that is the new approach. The new approach just sparked fire in all those countryside locations. A whole week long intensive induction for our missionaries: all day and part of the night, it just set fire on the tails of these missionaries. They went and invaded the places. Some locations started with 50, they just knew what to do and they went ahead to do it.”

“Today some of them are more than 300 (members), one is 600 (members) in villages. Our focus is where the gospel is not heard and giving everybody an opportunity to hear that Jesus loves (them). You know how much offering there are in villages, so we are not an offering hunting Commission, we are investors: Kingdom Investors into the souls of men.”

YouTube DomiStream.

You his member, have you not be vaccinated before? Didn't you get at least polio, measles, tetanus vaccines etc? Did you die? Does it make you from the devil or less of a Christian?
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 10:31am On Jun 30, 2020
XXXXTENTACION:
nigeria is one of the most religous country in the world yet we are one of the underdeveloped nations in the world why is that

The reason is still ignorance. Faith in God is not leaving everything for God to do- that will be an irresponsible faith. God has told you what to do, do it and you’d get results.

For example, the Bible says, “seest thou a man diligent in his business, he shall stand before kings he shall not stand before ordinary men.” Meaning, be diligent in whatever business you’re doing and you will stand out. It will be foolishness for any man to keep praying for outstanding results if he is not diligent.

When you pray to God, he shows you what to do from his word. If you do it you’d enjoy the benefits, if not you will remain backward.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by XXXXTENTACION: 11:28am On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:


The reason is still ignorance. Faith in God is not leaving everything for God to do- that will be an irresponsible faith. God has told you what to do, do it and you’d get results.

For example, the Bible says, “seest thou a man diligent in his business, he shall stand before kings he shall not stand before ordinary men.” Meaning, be diligent in whatever business you’re doing and you will stand out. It will be foolishness for any man to keep praying for outstanding results if he is not diligent.

When you pray to God, he shows you what to do from his word. If you do it you’d enjoy the benefits, if not you will remain backward.
what of China, uk and other countries that don't believe in god yet they are successful
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by petra1(m): 11:52am On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
But we know His wife has not been as hail and hearty as he claims he has been for 40 years.

Faith is personal. He speaks for himself
.

I bet if we searched heard, we would find out that he has probably been seen by at least a doctor, and maybe even prescribed medications as well.

It's an assumption . If he had lied . He would have been taken up
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 12:03pm On Jun 30, 2020
XXXXTENTACION:
what of China, uk and other countries that don't believe in god yet they are successful

They are diligent. The Bible says, “seest thou a man diligent in his business.” Meaning any man not just a religious group, diligent in his business will succeed. By being diligent they are fulfilling scriptures and they must stand out in whatever they do.

Now, if you check the history of these countries you mentioned, they have their roots in the Bible- for America they have Bible passages even in their constitution. For Uk, you’d always hear them say, “God save the queen.” Most of the top schools in the world today started out as Christian schools. My point is most of these countries are following Bible principles for success whether consciously or unconsciously, hence they are successful.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by XXXXTENTACION: 12:09pm On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:


They are diligent. The Bible says, “seest thou a man diligent in his business.” Meaning any man not just a religious group, diligent in his business will succeed. By being diligent they are fulfilling scriptures and they must stand out in whatever they do.

Now, if you check the history of these countries you mentioned, they have their roots in the Bible- for America they have Bible passages even in their constitution. For Uk, you’d always hear them say, “God save the queen.” Most of the top schools in the world today started out as Christian schools. My point is most of these countries are following Bible principles for success whether consciously or unconsciously, hence they are successful.

so na naija na im no dey follow bible ba
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by ThothHermes: 12:40pm On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
But we know His wife has not been as hail and hearty as he claims he has been for 40 years.



And I bet his children have received injections, and vaccines of sorts, and been prescribed medications within the same period for which he claims immunity to all afflictions.

I bet if we searched heard, we would find out that he has probably been seen by at least a doctor, and maybe even prescribed medications as well.
Bad belle.

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Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Kobojunkie: 1:54pm On Jun 30, 2020
petra1:
Faith is personal. He speaks for himself
We all know Faith is personal but what has that got to do with this? undecided
petra1:
It's an assumption . If he had lied . He would have been taken up
If he had lied, he would have been taken up by what? Whom?
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Kobojunkie: 2:35pm On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:

Same way Jesus is all powerful to heal but he cannot force this power on anyone. You either choose to believe in him and get healed or disbelieve him and remain sick. What happened in his home country was that they disbelieved him, and so he couldn’t force anything on them. Does this change his all-powerful status. No. Think about it...
I am glad you have back-tracked on your earlier track. So will you answer the very questions that brought us here, to begin with? Whose faith healed whom?
Do you need me to repost the cases again? Remember you claimed that only those who come before your man of God with faith of their own to boot can be healed.... and we have found at least two reasonable cases for where we can really understand how healing works by considering two new testament case studies... Jesus's and His apostles. undecided

Matthew 8 vs 53-10 (ERV)
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28. Jesus arrived at the other side of the lake in the country of the Gadarene[b] people. There, two men who had demons inside them came to him. They lived in the burial caves and were so dangerous that no one could use the road by those caves.
29. They came to Jesus and shouted, “What do you want with us, Son of God? Did you come here to punish us before the right time?”
30. Near that place there was a large herd of pigs feeding.
31. The demons begged Jesus, “If you make us leave these men, please send us into that herd of pigs.”
32. Jesus said to them, “Go!” So the demons left the men and went into the pigs. Then the whole herd of pigs ran down the hill into the lake, and all were drowned.
33. The men who had the work of caring for the pigs ran away. They went into town and told the people everything that happened, especially about the men who had the demons.
34. Then the whole town went out to see Jesus. When the people saw him, they begged him to leave their area.
.... whose belief was it, the possessed man, healed with? Jesus's belief or the possessed man's? Again, do not come back telling me that the demons' believed enough to cause themselves to be cast out by Jesus grin
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by backnbeta(f): 2:58pm On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
But we know His wife has not been as hail and hearty as he claims he has been for 40 years.



And I bet his children have received injections, and vaccines of sorts, and been prescribed medications within the same period for which he claims immunity to all afflictions.

I bet if we searched heard, we would find out that he has probably been seen by at least a doctor, and maybe even prescribed medications as well.
You are right sir, he actually said the doctor once told him his blood pressure was high but he didn't need to take medication because he had faith in God. It's all about faith.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 2:59pm On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
I am glad you have back-tracked on your earlier track. So will you answer the very questions that brought us here, to begin with? Whose faith healed whom?
Do you need me to repost the cases again? Remember you claimed that only those who come before your man of God with faith of their own to boot can be healed.... and we have found at least two reasonable cases for where we can really understand how healing works by considering two new testament case studies... Jesus's and His apostles. undecided

.... whose belief was it, the possessed man, healed with? Jesus's belief or the possessed man's? Again, do not come back telling me that the demons' believed enough to cause themselves to be cast out by Jesus grin

My friend you just answered your own question. The demons believed and shuddered. Then Jesus cast them out(he even cast them out according to their desire). You just quoted James 2:19.

From the passage you quoted you can see the demons speaking to Jesus in surrender. They surrendered to his all-powerful status then he reacted. When you say you have faith in God, what you are doing is believing and acknowledging his power, then he performs.

This is no rocket science.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Kobojunkie: 3:23pm On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:

My friend you just answered your own question. The demons believed and shuddered. Then Jesus cast them out(he even cast them out according to their desire). You just quoted James 2:19.
From the passage you quoted you can see the demons speaking to Jesus in surrender. They surrendered to his all-powerful status then he reacted.
grin
WINNERSMOG:
When you say you have faith in God, what you are doing is believing and acknowledging his power, then he performs.
This is no rocket science.
For someone who just attempted to quote James, I can't believe you would still suggest that faith is all about your belief.
James did a thorough job of explaining to you that Faith is indeed not just about your beliefs, but is in fact the evidence that supports your claim that you believe. grin Please go back and re-read what James wrote carefully, and realize that faith IS NOT a belief. These are two different ideas with one being the measure of your works and the other simply your claim.

Remember the story of the lame man at the gate who asked for money and instead got healing? Well, whose faith and or belief healed him? John's?, Peter's or the lame man's?

Acts 3 vs 1-10 (ERV)
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1. Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour.[a]
2. And a man lame from birth was being carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple that is called the Beautiful Gate to ask alms of those entering the temple.
3. Seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked to receive alms.
4. And Peter directed his gaze at him, as did John, and said, “Look at us.”
5. And he fixed his attention on them, expecting to receive something from them.
6. But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”
7. And he took him by the right hand and raised him up, and immediately his feet and ankles were made strong.
8. And leaping up, he stood and began to walk, and entered the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God.
9. And all the people saw him walking and praising God,
10. and recognized him as the one who sat at the Beautiful Gate of the temple, asking for alms. And they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.
And here next, whose belief healed this man's deafness? Jesus? Or the deaf man's? Or the faith of those who brought the deaf man?

Mark 7 vs 31-37
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31. Then he returned from the region of Tyre and went through Sidon to the Sea of Galilee, in the region of the Decapolis.
32. And they brought to him a man who was deaf and had a speech impediment, and they begged him to lay his hand on him.
33. And taking him aside from the crowd privately, he put his fingers into his ears, and after spitting touched his tongue.
34. And looking up to heaven, he sighed and said to him, “Ephphatha,” that is, “Be opened.”
35. And his ears were opened, his tongue was released, and he spoke plainly.
36. And Jesus[h] charged them to tell no one. But the more he charged them, the more zealously they proclaimed it.
37. And they were astonished beyond measure, saying, “He has done all things well. He even makes the deaf hear and the mute speak.”

Is it the faith and belief of those who laid the sick out in the market places to have them healed that did it? Sick people, some of them probably not even conscious of the event? Or Jesus's belief?

Mark 6 vs 53-56
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53. When they had crossed over, they came to land at Gennesaret and moored to the shore.
54. And when they got out of the boat, the people immediately recognized him
55. and ran about the whole region and began to bring the sick people on their beds to wherever they heard he was.
56. And wherever he came, in villages, cities, or countryside, they laid the sick in the marketplaces and implored him that they might touch even the fringe of his garment. And as many as touched it were made well.
undecided
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Kobojunkie: 3:28pm On Jun 30, 2020
backnbeta:
You are right sir, he said the doctor once told him his blood pressure was high but he didn't need to take medication because he had faith in God. It's all about faith.
Well, for one, not everyone who has high blood pressure is put on medication. Thanks for admitting this at least.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 3:48pm On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
grin
For someone who just attempted to quote James, I can't believe you would still suggest that faith is all about your belief.
James did a thorough job of explaining to you that Faith is indeed not just about your beliefs, but is in fact the evidence that supports your claim that you believe. grin Please go back and re-read what James wrote carefully, and realize that faith IS NOT a belief. These are two different ideas with one being the measure of your works and the other simply your claim.

Remember the story of the lame man at the gate who asked for money and instead got healing? Well, whose faith and or belief healed him? John's?, Peter's or the lame man's?

And here next, whose belief healed this man's deafness? Jesus? Or the deaf man's? Or the faith of those who brought the deaf man?


Is it the faith and belief of those who laid the sick out in the market places to have them healed that did it? Sick people, some of them probably not even conscious of the event? Or Jesus's belief?
undecided

Lol. Don’t get yourself confused my friend. Faith is a very simple subject not rocket science. Faith in God is simply believing the Word of God and acting on it, then God performs.

Simple example: Jesus said by virtue of his resurrection, he has carried away all our sicknesses and diseases- he has healed us(past tense). Matt 8:17/ 1 Pet 2:24. I believe it, Bishop believes it, we go about confessing it and God makes sure he keeps us healthy.

Another example: the word says if we believe in Jesus as Lord and savior and we CONFESS it, then we are born again- saved from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. Anyone who does this, God saves him.

Let me repeat myself, and please get understanding this time in Jesus name: faith is believing the word of God acting upon it, then God does the work.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Kobojunkie: 4:05pm On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:
Lol. Don’t get yourself confused my friend. Faith is a very simple subject not rocket science. Faith in God is simply believing in the Word of God and acting on it, then God performs.
I never said Faith is rocket science. I said James did a good job expounding on what Faith really is... a collection of all your good work done in the obedience of Jesus Christ's commandment, in addition to your belief. Faith is not just a belief... it is more than just belief.
WINNERSMOG:
Simple example: Jesus said by virtue of his resurrection, he has carried away all our sicknesses and diseases- he has healed us(past tense). Matt 8:17/ 1 Pet 2:24. I believe it, Bishop believes it, we go about confessing it and God makes sure he keeps us healthy.
We have been healed, past tense after Jesus Christ's resurrection? OK, so the story of the lame man at the gate who asked for money and instead got healing? Well, whose faith and or belief healed him? John's? Peter's or the lame man's?
WINNERSMOG:
Another example: the word says if we believe in Jesus as Lord and savior and we CONFESS it, then we are born again- saved from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. Anyone who does this, God saves him.
Jesus Christ said the only way to get into His kingdom is to become like a child. He also said if you are not willing to hate your father, mother, brother, wife, sister, brother, child, etc. for Him, you are not worthy of Him. The same Jesus Christ said anyone who is unwilling to die to self, pick up his own cross(not the cross of his wife/children/mother, etc. ), and follow Him, is not worthy of Him.
So obviously, there is more to the meaning of the words "believing" and "confessing", and all this according to Jesus Christ Himself.
WINNERSMOG:
Let me repeat myself, and please get understanding this time in Jesus name: faith is believing the word of God acting upon it, then God does the work.
Answer the questions though. .. whose faith or belief healed whom?

You said your pastor cannot heal people because those people did not come with their own faith. Yet example after example shows that the faith of those who are sick is not necessary for healing to take place. Jesus Christ showed us this over and over. His own apostles even proved this after Jesus Christ's own death and resurrection.
You also admitted that demons have their own belief so they can be easily cast out of those who are possessed using the belief of the demons themselves as the catalyst. So why again does your pastor host so many sick people year after year, by telling them stories of how he has not been vaccinated or hospitalized, without healing them? undecided undecided undecided
Where does this understanding to condone, and accept this, even in the face of Jesus Christ's own teachings, come from? undecided
From God or from man? undecided
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 4:24pm On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
I never said Faith is rocket science. I said James did a good job expounding on what Faith really is... a collection of all your good work done in the obedience of Jesus Christ's commandment, in addition to your belief. Faith is not just a belief... it is more than just belief.
We have been healed, past tense after Jesus Christ's resurrection? OK, so the story of the lame man at the gate who asked for money and instead got healing? Well, whose faith and or belief healed him? John's? Peter's or the lame man's?
Jesus Christ said the only way to get into His kingdom is to become like a child. He also said if you are not willing to hate your father, mother, brother, wife, sister, brother, child, etc. for Him, you are not worthy of Him. The same Jesus Christ said anyone who is unwilling to die to self, pick up his own cross(not the cross of his wife/children/mother, etc. ), and follow Him, is not worthy of Him.
So obviously, there is more to the meaning of the words "believing" and "confessing", and all this according to Jesus Christ Himself.
Answer the questions though. .. whose faith or belief healed whom?

How many times do you want me to answer your question. The lame man was healed by his faith in God after he had given heed to Peter and John. Peter and John had faith alright, but they had to infect the man with their faith by speaking to him. Rom 10:17- faith comes by hearing the Word of God.

It seems to me that your bitterness against the likes of Bishop is blinding you from seeing what I’m trying to explain to you. The Bishop is only teaching people the Word of God so that faith can come and they will be free from everything oppressing them. In the kingdom of light you should not suffer any oppression from the kingdom of darkness- but this requires you to understand the word of God

At this point I can only pray that God opens the eyes of your understanding.
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Kobojunkie: 4:30pm On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:
How many times do you want me to answer your question. The lame man was healed by his faith in God after he had given heed to Peter and John. Peter and John had faith alright, but they had to infect the man with their faith by speaking to him. Rom 10:17- faith comes by hearing the Word of God.
Are you sure you read of the same lame man that we all did?
The man did not even know what Peter and John were about to give him, so how could it have been his faith that healed him? undecided

Acts 3 vs 1-10 (ERV)
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1. Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour.[a]
2. And a man lame from birth was being carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple that is called the Beautiful Gate to ask alms of those entering the temple.
3. Seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked to receive alms.
4. And Peter directed his gaze at him, as did John, and said, “Look at us.”
5. And he fixed his attention on them, expecting to receive something from them.
6. But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”
7. And he took him by the right hand and raised him up, and immediately his feet and ankles were made strong.
8. And leaping up, he stood and began to walk, and entered the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God.
9. And all the people saw him walking and praising God,
10. and recognized him as the one who sat at the Beautiful Gate of the temple, asking for alms. And they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.
Whose faith was it that healed the lame man at the gate? Peter's faith or belief? John's faith or belief? Or the faith of the lame man who was not informed beforehand that he would be healed the next minute? undecided

WINNERSMOG:
It seems to me that your bitterness against the likes of Bishop is blinding you from seeing what I’m trying to explain to you. The Bishop is only teaching people the Word of God so that faith can come and they will be free from everything oppressing them. In the kingdom of light you should not suffer any oppression from the kingdom of darkness- but this requires you to understand the word of God
At this point I can only pray that God opens the eyes of your understanding.
Can you please stick to the discussion, rather then pretending you are still psychic cause it keeps distracting your from that which is in front of you there.

Jesus Christ said the only way to get into His kingdom is to become like a child. He also said if you are not willing to hate your father, mother, brother, wife, sister, brother, child, etc. for Him, you are not worthy of Him. The same Jesus Christ said anyone who is unwilling to die to self, pick up his own cross(not the cross of his wife/children/mother, etc. ), and follow Him, is not worthy of Him. Is this all a lie?

You said your pastor cannot heal people because those people did not come with their own faith. Yet example after example shows that the faith of those who are sick is not necessary for healing to take place. Jesus Christ showed us this over and over. His own apostles even proved this after Jesus Christ's own death and resurrection.

You also admitted that demons have their own belief so they can be easily cast out of those who are possessed using the belief of the demons themselves as the catalyst. So why again does your pastor host so many sick people year after year, by telling them stories of how he has not been vaccinated or hospitalized, without healing them?

Where does this understanding to condone, and accept this, even in the face of Jesus Christ's own teachings, come from?
From God or from man?
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 4:52pm On Jun 30, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Are you sure you read of the same lame man that we all did?
The man did not even know what Peter and John were about to give him, so how could it have been his faith that healed him? undecided

Whose faith was it that healed the lame man at the gate? Peter's faith or belief? John's faith or belief? Or the faith of the lame man who was not informed beforehand that he would be healed the next minute? undecided

Can you please stick to the discussion, rather then pretending you are still psychic cause it keeps distracting your from that which is in front of you there.

Jesus Christ said the only way to get into His kingdom is to become like a child. He also said if you are not willing to hate your father, mother, brother, wife, sister, brother, child, etc. for Him, you are not worthy of Him. The same Jesus Christ said anyone who is unwilling to die to self, pick up his own cross(not the cross of his wife/children/mother, etc. ), and follow Him, is not worthy of Him. Is this all a lie?

You said your pastor cannot heal people because those people did not come with their own faith. Yet example after example shows that the faith of those who are sick is not necessary for healing to take place. Jesus Christ showed us this over and over. His own apostles even proved this after Jesus Christ's own death and resurrection.

You also admitted that demons have their own belief so they can be easily cast out of those who are possessed using the belief of the demons themselves as the catalyst. So why again does your pastor host so many sick people year after year, by telling them stories of how he has not been vaccinated or hospitalized, without healing them?

Where does this understanding to condone, and accept this, even in the face of Jesus Christ's own teachings, come from?
From God or from man?

Honestly, now I really see you genuinely need knowledge and understanding, and that you’re not doing this for the sake of it.

The Bishop keeps gathering people so that they can be taught the Word of God, then their faith will develop and they will be able to receive from God easily. Just like the word of God says: if there is no preacher, how will the people hear? Rims 10:14

This was the same thing Jesus was doing when he was here on earth, he had to go around preaching about the goodness of God, so that people could hear him, get faith and receive whatever they wanted from God.

Go and read the gospels well, you’d notice that all that received miracles from Jesus had heard about what he was preaching, they believed, came to him and were delivered- this is the fundamentals of faith. Rom 10:17
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Kobojunkie: 6:33pm On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:
Honestly, now I really see you genuinely need knowledge and understanding, and that you’re not doing this for the sake of it.
undecided
WINNERSMOG:
The Bishop keeps gathering people so that they can be taught the Word of God, then their faith will develop and they will be able to receive from God easily. Just like the word of God says: if there is no preacher, how will the people hear? Rims 10:14
Anyways, so what you are saying is that in all that time, these people have still not learned enough to develop their faith so receive from God? Jesus Christ spent less time with His apostles, and they were able to go around preaching(never really to the same crowds every time), and healing the sick and the dead, without much as demand on those who received from them. There was not a single case of person's going home disappointed.
John the apostle even adviced all those who are born again to stick to Trusting on the Spirit of God inside of them to teach them all things about God...

Acts 3 vs 1-10 (ERV)
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20. You have the gift[a] that the Holy One[b] gave you. So you all know the truth.
21. Do you think I am writing this letter because you don’t know the truth? No, I am writing because you do know the truth. And you know that no lie comes from the truth.
22. So who is the liar? It is the one who says Jesus is not the Messiah. Whoever says that is the enemy of Christ—the one who does not believe in the Father or in his Son.
23. Whoever does not believe in the Son does not have the Father, but whoever accepts the Son has the Father too.
24. Be sure that you continue to follow the teaching you heard from the beginning. If you do that, you will always be in the Son and in the Father.
25. And this is what the Son promised us—eternal life.
26. I am writing this letter about those who are trying to lead you into the wrong way.
27. Christ gave you a special gift. You still have this gift in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you. The gift he gave you teaches you about everything. It is a true gift, not a false one. So continue to live in Christ, as his gift taught you.
I wonder when your Bishop's "followers" will in fact get to obeying God, becoming born again where they will then receive the Spirit of God, the only teacher, guide, helper they will ever need as Children of God. undecided

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 (ERV)
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31. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32. not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
God said He will teach His own about Himself... either God lied or your preacher is doing something different from what God said to do.
WINNERSMOG:
This was the same thing Jesus was doing when he was here on earth, he had to go around preaching about the goodness of God so that people could hear him, get faith and receive whatever they wanted from God.
Jesus did not preach to the same crowd day after day, year after year. And He certainly did not linger to teach them so they could develop their faith and all.
Even His own disciples had to learn to develop their faith on their own, given what Faith in fact refers to.
WINNERSMOG:
Go and read the gospels well, you’d notice that all that received miracles from Jesus had heard about what he was preaching, they believed, came to him and were delivered- this is the fundamentals of faith. Rom 10:17
Not true for you see that many of those who were healed were not saved. undecided
Many of the sick had maybe heard about Him as a healer, but Him as the messiah to believe and be saved, not so. And He was not the first "healer" to show up at the time. There were many so-called healers and messiahs in the days before Jesus Christ showed up, and even after Him. Jesus Christ did not preach everywhere He healed people. There is no record of that happening. undecided
And He healed hundreds who were sick, in a matter of 3 and half years. That is what the Scripture reveals. At the time before His death, He had healed hundreds and preached to at least 5000, but He had just the 11 as his disciples to His name. undecided
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by WINNERSMOG: 7:33pm On Jun 30, 2020
From looking for bus “attachments” to flying aircraftS for Jesus- Bishop David Oyedepo.

“One day, we were on our way to Kaduna (I think it was night), we were running to our ‘big Church’, maybe 40 people and then we had an issue on the road. A friend of mine pressed hard for us to sleep in his house in Lokoja because we were waiting there for any kind of vehicle whether Tipper or anything that can get us to Kaduna.”

“We started waiting for attachment from buses coming from the East, all attachments were filled. I told my companions on that journey, “sleep with your legs on the ground, and put your bags on your back, so anytime you want to turn, you will wake up because if you wake up one minute after 4:30 am, you will trek to Kaduna.”

“As I laid my bag down, God said, ‘I will increase your greatness and comfort you on every side’ (Psalm 71:21)”

“Let me tell you what happened: when the car had a problem, it was a silencer problem of the Beetle. So, I went under to see how we could tie it, my hand mistakenly touched the silencer, the heat entered my brain – Jesus. But I said, ‘Kaduna, we must get there.’”

“Now, if you watch the offering in that Church, it cannot repair the silencer, so we were not running for offerings, we were running after souls- God’s greatest interests on the earth.”

“But here we are now, we bought a plane without pressure, without levying people, without stealing. Amen.”

“And all those places, we are now flying over them. There is no silencer in the plane, we are just flying over them.”

“Serve God sacrificially. Every demand on your life is another opportunity for a change of story. Every extra demand on your life is another opportunity for your change of story. You will never miss it in the name of Jesus.”
Re: I Haven't Received Injection In 51 Years, I Can Never Take Any Vaccine- Oyedepo by Barristter07: 8:23pm On Jun 30, 2020
WINNERSMOG:


Nobody has the power to heal any other person. ONLY faith in God through Jesus can get you healed. So don’t blame men of God for members of churches that don’t get healed- they have to exercise faith in the Word, then they’d be healed. Even Jesus could not perform any miracle in his home country. Why? You know he even had the power to heal? But because of the people’s unbelief he could not do anything... Only believe bro.

Wrong, Jesus healed a man who doesnt have faith in him

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