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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:03am On Jul 02, 2020 |
lie lie johnw47 good morning, you slept all night today |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:05am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: The truth is they are all workers of iniquity! Matthew 7:23 Take note that JWs keep saying "these people are not Christians but deceivers" Ok let us assume that they're Christians, at least as the commander in chief of God's armies, Christ Jesus commissioned a global work, Christians are supposed to be Soldiers of Christ, in any country if you claim to be an officer under any of the forces you should be able to say i'm serving my country (God's Kingdom) under the Army, Air Force, Navy, Police, Immigration Service, Custom Service and so on. Someone could easily ask you any question in your line of duty. But imagine someone saying he is a Nigerian and an officer, you now ask him "under which of the forces?" He refused to talk yet insisted on asking you questions regarding your line of duty simply because you're fully on uniform. Then telling you that you're wrong even after telling him all the things expected of Officers serving in your department! ![]() That's exactly what they are! They want to claim Christianity but under which department at least to know what to expect from their line of duty. No wonder Jesus said "then i will say to them 'i never knew you depart from me you workers of iniquity'" Matthew 7:23 They're all beast of no particular nation! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 6:08am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz:You are assuming things too quickly. I believe we should leave the spiritual and first understand the physical that is easy to relate with. So I ask again. Is it true that even though water exists in three states, it is still the same substance, yes or no? it's a very simple question and no one can insult you for a right answer. I believe you were taught in secondary school or can't you remember? 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 6:19am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: lie lie rozz, there's no fool like a fat ass fool are you drunk or on drugs |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:21am On Jul 02, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:Im a core science student and I perfectly understand that, and also know the point you are driving at |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:25am On Jul 02, 2020 |
johnw47:lol,now this is the real you. deeper life boy |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 6:34am On Jul 02, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Loser ... Quote me properly Show me where Jesus is called Almighty Do you agree an uncreated being cannot be a Son of anyone ? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 6:36am On Jul 02, 2020 |
solite3: Whose voice will raise the dead? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 6:37am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: lie lie rozz, like i said, such a fool and such a liar of course: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. you don't answer those simple questions asked you because you don't know the answers, laugh, oh most duh unintelligent one |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 6:38am On Jul 02, 2020 |
hoopernikao: Jesus is our brother, Do u agree? When you answer that, it should be open to you the Everlasting Father is just a title. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:38am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: The truth is TRINITY is confirmed madness! ![]() Though it's the Harlot that has so many bastards as children. Revelations 17:5 Today i'll like to analyze that Bible book of Revelations 17 for you my SB! Take note that in the Bible book of Revelations two symbolic women were mentioned, one a mother who gave birth to pure worship, her first child was a son (Jesus) {Revelations 12:1-6} so the book referred to him as the faithful Witness {Revelations 1:5} this means God's faithful and loyal ones both in heaven and on earth. The second a prostitute whose also claim to be married to the same husband (GOD) but she was commiting adultery with the kings of the earth (Politicians) her own children are confused because she has no specific moral training (standard) to set for her children so God's word refer to her as MYSTERY (confusion) Revelations 17:1-5 God's true servants are the children of the first woman, they don't participate in worldly politics because they're focused on God's promised kingdom {Matthew 6:10} but the children of the prostitute are confused so they're into politics, this makes it totally difficult for them to unite as one family. So they keep shedding their own blood as in killing one another since their mother keeps sleeping with different men while being promised as a bride to God! What made Jesus annoyed is the way the children of this harlot keep attacking his messengers all the time {Revelations 12:17} ever since Jesus commissioned Christianity, Satan has been fighting to erase the group of the surface of the earth. That's why Jesus said Satan will succeed in stoping his preaching and teaching work for some time when men were sleeping {Matthew 13:25-26} the time men were sleeping refers to when all the Apostles have died, there was nothing like organized true Christianity on this planet again not until JWs began taking shape to restructure the preaching and teaching program. Satan's children (the harlot's offsprings) keep shedding blood everywhere because of prominence! Revelations 6:3-4 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 6:44am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz:Good girl. I'm happy you're a science core and I wouldn't mind knowing what part of science you specialize in. Now then, just follow me on cruise mode and our jet will land safely. LMAO You have passed the first test, I assume, understanding the three states of water. Now just go through my 3 statements below. Don't answer the questions yet o. No need for that now. First, I just want to know if you understand everything I said there very well or if there is any part of the below you don't really get? Ask anything you don't understand there, don't bring up other things yet o, just focus on the below and ask me to clarify where you don't understand my statements. #1 NUMBER OF GOD It is obvious that in order, God is the only Being who can be "First and Last/Beginning and Ending/Alpha and Omega" at the same time because he existed before every created thing and is the only One who will remain when he decides to end all existence. The Simultaneous "First and Last" is a number only the Uncreated can have. Isa 44:6 Thus saith YAHWEH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. We see here that YAHWEH, the God of Israel is "First and Last" and is the only true God. Follow me now. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty We see that God calls himself by this number, "First and Last" and also the "Who is, was and is to come". He further calls himself, the Almighty/Omnipotent (El-Shaddai), an OT title of YAHWEH. Angels are mighty, even Michael is very mighty but only YAHWEH is Almighty/Omnipotent. Now watch! Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Who is and was and is to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned We see here that it is the same YAHWEH Almighty who sits on the throne worshipped by the same title "Who is, was and is to come". So, comparing the OT text and also the two verses in the Apocalypse, It is clear that YAHWEH Almighty's number is "First and Last" Now let us find out who is this YAHWEH Almighty, The First and Last, Who is, was and is to come? In the beginning of the apocalypse, John meets with Jesus Christ, who introduces himself as Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last... Rev 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. We see that this is Jesus Christ who was dead and resurrected. By his number here, "First and Last/Alpha and Omega/Beginning and Ending", we see that this same YAHWEH Almighty of OT and Jesus Christ of NT are one Being. ***These are two of my three questions. Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth. 2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2.) Jesus will judge the living and the dead and the same one is seated on the throne of God and the Lamb, as one Being with God receiving the worship of the elders. Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.? 3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows? Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:53am On Jul 02, 2020 |
The remaining of the first set children of the bride will soon be taken to heaven because they are virgins {Revelations 14:4} this symbolises their chastity as they keep away from worldly Politics to make sure there is PEACE amongst themselves. After the marriage of the bride (144,000 Born Again Christians) and the Groom (Jesus) Revelations 21:2 compare to John 3:29 All of these are sacred secrets hidden from all the children of the harlot, they can never understand that book of Revelations. In fact they will continue to argue and argue and argue amongst themselves over the meaning of TRINITY and nothing profitable will come out of it. So let them tell us where they belong first before they start questioning us We are Jehovah's Witnesses (loyally dressed with our spiritual uniform) we are not bastards whose mother refused to tell them where they belong! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 6:54am On Jul 02, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Ignorance 102 ![]() " Now assuredly, Trypho, I shall show that, in the vision of Moses, this same One alone who is called an Angel, and who is God , appeared to and communed with Moses. " Justin Matry, Dialogue with Trypho.
I just want to know the voice that will raise the dead. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 6:57am On Jul 02, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Loser, show me where Jesus is called Almighty !!! ![]() ![]() Secondly , Jesus is created thats why he is a Son of God. I challenge you to show me where the Father Is called Son of God. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:57am On Jul 02, 2020 |
johnw47:atleast help us with another verse,you keep recycling old verses 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:59am On Jul 02, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Story! Story!! Story!!! Simple question! Which church taught you all these so others can also learn there? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:01am On Jul 02, 2020 |
You're doing a very too good work DrLiveLogic. Oinn, fantabulous you kept me busy reading through all this morning, lmao. Those easy simple, harmless, straightforward and direct questions will prove the nemesis for any that has the balls to answer them in the same format and numbered up order you asked ![]() ![]() ![]() Also when you asked what's your church/denomination, just know you had touched a raw nerve and whoever that asked has become uncomfortable, so why they insist to know, just to create a distraction, lmao 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:03am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: Deeperlife nah! Kumuyi is not here so they always feel the few quotes programmed in their skulls will be enough to woo followers for Kumuyi! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:05am On Jul 02, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Hes intelligent but concerning this,it's more of a spiritual guidance. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:13am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz:Nothing about intelligence. It is either if you know, you know. If you don't know, simply means, you're empty in that regards, and you cant give what you don't have and/or cant divulge what you don't know. Every believer has the same measure of the Holy Spirit. You demonstrate how much of the Holy Sprit has flowed in you and/or how much you want your being fill in and buff up into the made available Holy Spirit |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:14am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: Jesus perfectly established a preaching and teaching program, all what any honest hearted person needs is to identify the group teaching exactly what Jesus taught back then. So which Church each person comes from matters most, at least we know Jesus is now in heaven so if none of us here is Jesus, we should be able to point, direct, name, tell or show others where we are learning what we know presently. Satan is the one and only teacher whose form of knowledge can't be traced! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 7:18am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: i'm happy to help you liars with more verses showing who you are and your fate: Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. alas, you won't actually believe them until you are there 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:20am On Jul 02, 2020 |
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 7:24am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Maximus69: lying false jw mad max the little Truth of God's word that i quote certainly is enough more than enough, it say's who you are and where you are going: Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:26am On Jul 02, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: The OP mentioned the name of a religious group that abhors trinity,and each of the religions trying to exhibit trinity has spoken different things. So it's appropriate to ask "which church" a person belongs to ascertain where each speaker actually got his own definition! ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:33am On Jul 02, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:"6Though he was God, He did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. 7Instead, He gave up his divine privileges; He took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When He appeared in human form, 8He humbled Himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross" - Philippians 2:6-8 DrLiveLogic, fyi, Jesus didn't relinquish His Omnipotency, but was following formalities, protocol and the rule, which is that, the fathers have precedence of sons. He didnt diminish in His divine power, He only because of the Father and Son relationship did not did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 7:40am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Rozz: lie lie rozz i may as well go back to saying the truth about you you have shown like the false jw's that you cannot stop lying and you have shown like the false jw's that you are to scared or unable to answer DrLiveLogic few questions Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:44am On Jul 02, 2020 |
TATIME: Abi o! ![]() If the description of their TRINITY God is giving them a headache, at least we should know who gets it correctly and the church that teaches such accuracy! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:48am On Jul 02, 2020 |
DappaD:Ok, now show me a verse in the bible that says Jesus is Angel Michael. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:50am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Janosky:Go to Google and ask for the Ariel view of Jehovah witness headquarters. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:52am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Janosky:show me a verse that said Jesus is Angel Michael. 2 Likes |
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