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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 4:04am On Jul 03, 2020 |
The trinity theory is simple to understand-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And then it say's in the same chapter-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. So obviously the "Word" is Jesus, He became flesh and lived among us. It's Jesus who is coming in the last days-God with Him in Spirit-there's no separation between the Father the Son and the Spirit.. Jesus always said: He and the Father are One-He said He is doing His Fathers Works-He listens to His Father-obeying Him with everything His Father told Him to do.. I myself don't see a problem with the above-it's pretty simple to understand-It's common sense-wrong teaching-always leads people down the wrong path... Maximus69: 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 4:48am On Jul 03, 2020 |
fake wealthy pastor johnw47 has taken a back sit with his habits of same same quotes when DrLiveLogic came on board.I think DrLiveLogic has been here before I'm suspecting him.DrLiveLogic=Fairheart |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 6:08am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Different time zones, perhaps? ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:14am On Jul 03, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:what do you mean? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 6:21am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Rozz:I noticed that DrLiveLogic was on, all day long, meaning, at a different time, that johnw47 came online all night long |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:31am On Jul 03, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Hes not johnw47, I'm suspecting he's Fairheart |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:44am On Jul 03, 2020 |
hoopernikao:Good morning! ![]() How was your night? Question number (1) According to the psalmist there are TWO Lords the greater is JEHOVAH and the lesser is Jesus! Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 2:34-35 Question number (2) Since one is the greatest of the two then the greatest to be worshiped is JEHOVAH! Revelations 4:11 ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:52am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Maximus69:My SD,seriously are you not tired,this same Trinity issues made my pastor to report me to my mum that he thinks a jw member is somewhere deceiving me and leading me astray ,maybe we should all stick to our belief,confussion has set in for me sef.May God guide us all |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:06am On Jul 03, 2020 |
hoopernikao: The concept then must remain within the hearts of those who believe it not something that must be preached since it doesn't appear anywhere in the scriptures! ![]() Jehovah's Witnesses only reveal the true identity of Jesus to whoever has become one of us, we don't go about forcing it down people's throat since it's not clearly stated in the scriptures Jesus keeps telling his own followers and even the demons not to reveal his true identity to the rest of the Jews. Matthew 16:20 compare to Luke 4:34-35 WHY? Jesus doesn't want people to be lost in thought over what they can't comprehend easily. In his warnings to his disciples he made it clear that the only appropriate time for disclosing the identity of the Christ is after he has risen from the dead {Matthew 17:9} so it was after Jesus' ascension to heaven and the holy spirit has come to start working with his followers as they all knew from the prophecies that Peter now told the Jews who witnessed the gift of God's holy at Pentecost! Act 2:16-18 compare to Joel 2:28 Jesus is the same character yesterday, today and forever {Hebrew 13:8} so Jehovah's Witnesses don't go teaching outsiders that Jesus is angel Michael not until our friends ask us "who really is Jesus if he's not Jehovah?" note that before a person can ask such a question, he must have observed the fine qualities of God's holy spirit in our midst. That's the time {Ecclesiastes 3:1} to reveal that the Prince of Peace is no other person than archangel Michael who is standing as a signal for God's people! Daniel 12:1 God bless you! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:09am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Rozz:What particularly is it that arouses your suspicion that he is Fair\heart? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:17am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Rozz:My SB, i told you from the beginning that Paradise is not far but there are Many rivers to cross! You can now bear me witness when i told you that many people will attack you for this bold step you took, but you responded saying that's what is in your heart. Well it's the survival of those who are fittest {Luke 13:24} it's left to you my SB, Jesus said of the sower some fell amongst the thorns and it died due to pressures here and there! Matthew 13:18-22 So the fruit you saw in me that made you tag me "SD" is about to grow in you too but this is that dreadful time Jesus spoke about, it's left to you my SB if you're as tough as you claimed from the beginning of this journey! Matthew 11:12 ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:25am On Jul 03, 2020 |
johnw47: yea, they mock God because they are being controlled by the spirit of the antichrist. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:24am On Jul 03, 2020 |
solite3: The funniest thing here is how you are deceiving yourself saying JWs denied all what the group has instill in the minds of all members. ![]() For your information Sir, no member of JW will tell you that Jesus is not the Christ neither do we say he didn't come in the flesh. In fact those who disbelieve those things will not share in the tree of life. So get your facts well my guy! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer(m): 8:47am On Jul 03, 2020 |
hoopernikao: I grew up in a White garment background Celestial church to be precise. That was before joining the pentecostals. Like I said, some doctrines came by personal revelation. There are churches whose leaders found Angel Michael as a manifestation of God. Till today Celestials believe the trinity to be God, Jesus and Holy Michael. I've come to find that these are simply proofs that man cannot truly fully know God. This is why when a Christian believes his own revelation of God is true and others' false, I simply see the person as naive. God revealed himself to Paul in a different way He revealed himself to the other Apostles, even differently from his revelation to John who is so called the Beloeved of Christ. I'm glad however that you admitted the contradiction in the bible although you also decided to defend the contradiction with your own exegesis. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:51am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Maximus69:Jws teaches that Jesus is a spirit being called Michael hence denying Jesus is come in the flesh. Jws are heavily antichristian, you lots deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus by so doing deny that Jesus is the Christ. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:52am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Myer:celestia church is not of Jesus Christ. many spirits are in the world propagating different messages, 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:54am On Jul 03, 2020 |
solite3: When you quote God's word, you need to think of it's PRACTICAL APPLICATION before applying it to cases. Jesus' coming in the flesh simply means, he became human and experienced all the difficulties that's making it hard for to maintain their integrity before God. So if Jesus can also maintain his integrity as a human being then we too can do the same. In a nutshell, Jesus maintained his integrity before his God, we following him can do the same, which means he is not the Almighty God because when his time to suffer the pain on the torture stake came Michael (Jesus) wasn't aware that his heavenly father wants him to experience the torture in the flesh, so all his spirit power was taken away for him to feel the torture, that's why he shouted "my God my God why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 If he is God Almighty that couldn't have happened at all! ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:00am On Jul 03, 2020 |
solite3: Don't rush things my guy! ![]() This is why i told DappaD that you need to be pitied because you don't know what you're doing! ![]() Of course Jesus is Archangel Michael when he was in heaven but he was transformed into an embryo in the womb of a virgin Jewish girl to be born as human on planet earth! So while on earth he is no longer an angel but the son of man! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:00am On Jul 03, 2020 |
TATIME:the spirit of antichrist deny that Jesus is come in the flesh, come in the flesh denote continuity, Jesus continue to be in the flesh which Jwo denies. Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Now you are mocking the God that died for your sins to save you |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:07am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Rozz: poor tormented lost lie lie rozz you of course cannot stop lying just like your daddy: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Pro_26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. u r so duh and unintelligent like all of satans mob are i feel so sorry for you - not |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:08am On Jul 03, 2020 |
solite3:You're just joking right? ![]() If he didn't come in the flesh, why do you think JWs are zealously and industriously working hard to imitate him? Guy, it's because we believe he came in the flesh that's why we are striving to be like him. The text you quoted is actually condemning you guys because you people take him as God Almighty so none of you wants to imitate his hard works of preaching and teaching, all of you just want the easy way out because you've been brainwashed to think that what Jesus did in the flesh is not normal so you guys don't want to be like him. But JWs believe he came in the flesh that's why you're seeing us doing the work he commissioned throughout the earth in the best organized setting! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:17am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Maximus69: He thought the phrase is just something anybody can easily grasp. IN THE FLESH Yet all of them are giving contradicting opinions on what they believe, if Jesus came in the flesh how come Trinitarians can't come under the same arrangement to worship God in the flesh? Why are they contradicting one another yet they want to claim that their leader once lived on this planet in the flesh. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:21am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Maximus69: false jw mad max forever making up lies in your head - just talking naturally: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:23am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Maximus69:clown! is it not the spirit being Michael that you are working for? just as Mohammed claim he received a message from Angel gabriel @bold, John didn't say "Jesus came in the flesh" but rather Jesus has come in the flesh 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Jwo believe Jesus came in the flesh but no longer in the flesh but we Christians believe with John that Jesus is come in the flesh. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:25am On Jul 03, 2020 |
TATIME: He's just amusing me each time he quotes God's word against himself! ![]() Just imagine Jesus came in the flesh, yet all of you who claims he is your leader can't unite in thought as to what form of worship is approved by the one you're claiming once lived on this planet in the flesh. ![]() Is it not appropriate to conclude that such a person never lived for real since you his followers can't come up with one form of worship? Can any right thinking person believe 41,000 children who can't come up with one form of worship yet claiming their father was real? ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:31am On Jul 03, 2020 |
solite3: @ bolded is what revealed your folly my guy! If actually you guys believe that Jesus came in the flesh, then why aren't you people organized in one single form of worship? After all nobody can see Jesus now but observers are seeing you and you guys are living in the flesh. ![]() Abi your Jesus is the author of confusion? ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:31am On Jul 03, 2020 |
johnw47:wealthy pastor johnw47 but you have not been able to convince me about anything here, my sugar daddy did a better job lol,even DrLiveLogic is very good too. All I keep reading from you are repeated verses.I know I'm still struggling and not too learned in scripture matters but I'm sure I will beat you hands down anytime |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:38am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Jehovah false witness denies that Jesus is come in the flesh, satan is corny. If John wanted to use past tense he would have done that but He used present tense rather. Jesus is come in the flesh is a present tense. The Apostles clearly taught that Jesus Christ still remains the God-man. Jesus is completely man and completely God he remains so forever, he didn't put off his humanity |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:41am On Jul 03, 2020 |
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios), but by the Holy Ghost. Lord κύριος kurios koo'-ree-os From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir. of course anyone can say Jesus is Mr. or master or Sir but no man can say that Jesus is the Lord - God, but by the Holy Spirit |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:46am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Maximus69: you should be ashamed for your lies, so according to you Jesus is no longer the son of man in heaven? Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. see your lies that Jesus is no longer the son of man has been busted. where will you hid now 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:47am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Rozz: poor tormented unintelligent lie lie rozz i have said many times, i don't try to convince satans mob of anything i don't throw pearls to the pigs and dogs, i just show up some of your very many lies sieve for a brain, u just so duh aren't you Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 10:19am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Rozz: lie lie rozz you not only lie like false jw's you paranoid like them too Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
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