The trinity theory is simple to understand-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And then it say's in the same chapter-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
So obviously the "Word" is Jesus, He became flesh and lived among us. It's Jesus who is coming in the last days-God with Him in Spirit-there's no separation between the Father the Son and the Spirit..
Jesus always said: He and the Father are One-He said He is doing His Fathers Works-He listens to His Father-obeying Him with everything His Father told Him to do..
I myself don't see a problem with the above-it's pretty simple to understand-It's common sense-wrong teaching-always leads people down the wrong path...

Maximus69:


The so called disbelievers are waiting for the PERFECT definition of TRINITY from Trinitarians, for almost 2,000 years now TRINITY has been causing confusion amongst it's adherents because they can neither come up with one definition nor one unified form of worship under which they can have PEACE, each is emerging with it's own definition, code of conduct, form of worship and titles all under the same mother (TRINITY) Revelations 17:5

Because of TRINITY many people have been killed for asking questions regarding the confusion caused by this harlot, TRINITY is called harlot because she commits adultery with world rulers by pushing her adherents to participate in the politics of wherever they live and everyone knows that when people engage in politics heads will roll and blood will flow! Revelations 17:8

Jesus' followers will be united in preaching and teaching zealously for God's Kingdom (government){Revelations 12:17} but the children of the harlot will be fighting and killing one another for prominence and governance of the world. Revelations 17:18

All these are sacred secrets that only the Born Again Christians can unravel, whenever anyone reads this texts without guidance of God's holy spirit, they'll continue to apply it literally that's why all of you only focus on the literal meaning of words like "burning by fire or lake of fire" but when you read other part of the same book of Revelations, you'll keep off because it's beyond your understanding!

fake wealthy pastor johnw47 has taken a back sit with his habits of same same quotes when DrLiveLogic came on board.I think DrLiveLogic has been here before I'm suspecting him.DrLiveLogic=Fairheart

Different time zones, perhaps?

MuttleyLaff:
Different time zones, perhaps?

what do you mean?

Rozz:
what do you mean?

I noticed that DrLiveLogic was on, all day long, meaning, at a different time, that johnw47 came online all night long

MuttleyLaff:
I noticed that DrLiveLogic was on, all day long, meaning, at a different time, that johnw47 came online all night long

Hes not johnw47, I'm suspecting he's Fairheart

hoopernikao:


Everyone called Lord in the bible have context to it. The word Lord means owner, the one who has control, the one i submit my desire to.

Abraham was called Lord by Sarah, as Abraham was her authority, her control. Same as those who Abraham owns. Saul/David was called Lord, same as we can call rulers Lord, because of their influence and authority over their people.


Now why is Jesus called Lord.

Let me give you the quote you submitted

1 Cor 8:5
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Note that he separated Jesus from many lords. Many lords will include Abraham, Saul, heavenly and earthly etc. Masters. Verse 6 pointed you that we have only one Lord, who is Jesus. That is in parallel to one God. He separated Jesus from the lords. and called him Lord (one Lord)

A modification of the verses will be.
...as there be gods many, But to us there is but one God
...as there be lords many, But to us there is but one Lord, Christ.

Note that in this context he is speaking about absolute authority. Who you submit your life to, who controls and own you. So, we have ONE GOD identified from the many gods, that is clear. The question i will now ask based on this is: How many Lord does a believer has. from what Paul is teaching.

So,
1. How many Lord do you have?
2. Who is that Lord?

Good morning!
How was your night?
Question number (1) According to the psalmist there are TWO Lords the greater is JEHOVAH and the lesser is Jesus! Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 2:34-35
Question number (2) Since one is the greatest of the two then the greatest to be worshiped is JEHOVAH! Revelations 4:11

Maximus69:

Good morning!
How was your night?
Question number (1) According to the psalmist there are TWO Lords the greater is JEHOVAH and the lesser is Jesus! Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 2:34-35
Question number (2) Since one is the greatest of the two then the greatest to be worshiped is JEHOVAH! Revelations 4:11

My SD,seriously are you not tired,this same Trinity issues made my pastor to report me to my mum that he thinks a jw member is somewhere deceiving me and leading me astray ,maybe we should all stick to our belief,confussion has set in for me sef.May God guide us all

hoopernikao:


Lol. Good you can agree that Jesus wasnt call Angel in the bible same as we dont have the word Trinity in the Bible.

But what you should know is that as Trinity is called a concept, it needs explanation. A concept doesnt mean the word exist, it simply means the expression was taught or explained. This is different from calling Jesus Angel, that is not a concept but a being. Hence, there is little room for you to explain that out without having direct citation. Every name Jesus is called, we have direct citation for it. So, you cant explain that away.

And like i have affirmed here, the one who preaches trinity have more scriptures to show, even if it is arguable base of knowledge. But the one who preaches Jesus as Angel will have to wrestle scriptures out to have such meaning.

The last time i asked for a scripture for Jesus as Angel, out of 5 that was wrongly quoted, only 2 has a direct mention of Jesus and angel, one of which used "voice of". The others does not even come close.
Now, looking at those two in context they still fail to justify such explanation.

But in a single scripture Jesus, the child (JESUS) was called wonderful, counselor, mighty God, everlasting father. Arguably, these are words we can refer to call God too. Very explicit in the scriptures.

Also note that Jesus was severally called Lord by those he owe nothing, neither them owe him, nor he feeds, nor usurp authority over. Yet they call him Lord. Only God owns our lives and can be called Lord in such context.

So, not to go on and on, you cant succeed in defending what doesnt even have scriptural evidence in the first place. You can argue oneness of God against the concept of trinity, and have scriptures to examine but not as making Jesus as Angel. It has no root in the scriptures.

The concept then must remain within the hearts of those who believe it not something that must be preached since it doesn't appear anywhere in the scriptures!

Jehovah's Witnesses only reveal the true identity of Jesus to whoever has become one of us, we don't go about forcing it down people's throat since it's not clearly stated in the scriptures

Jesus keeps telling his own followers and even the demons not to reveal his true identity to the rest of the Jews. Matthew 16:20 compare to Luke 4:34-35

WHY?
Jesus doesn't want people to be lost in thought over what they can't comprehend easily. In his warnings to his disciples he made it clear that the only appropriate time for disclosing the identity of the Christ is after he has risen from the dead {Matthew 17:9} so it was after Jesus' ascension to heaven and the holy spirit has come to start working with his followers as they all knew from the prophecies that Peter now told the Jews who witnessed the gift of God's holy at Pentecost! Act 2:16-18 compare to Joel 2:28

Jesus is the same character yesterday, today and forever {Hebrew 13:8} so Jehovah's Witnesses don't go teaching outsiders that Jesus is angel Michael not until our friends ask us "who really is Jesus if he's not Jehovah?" note that before a person can ask such a question, he must have observed the fine qualities of God's holy spirit in our midst. That's the time {Ecclesiastes 3:1} to reveal that the Prince of Peace is no other person than archangel Michael who is standing as a signal for God's people! Daniel 12:1
God bless you!

Rozz:
Hes not johnw\47, I'm suspecting he's Fair\heart

What particularly is it that arouses your suspicion that he is Fair\heart?

Rozz:
My SD,seriously are you not tired,this same Trinity issues made my pastor to report me to my mum that he thinks a jw member is somewhere deceiving me and leading me astray ,maybe we should all stick to our belief,confussion has set in for me sef.May God guide us all

My SB, i told you from the beginning that Paradise is not far but there are Many rivers to cross!
You can now bear me witness when i told you that many people will attack you for this bold step you took, but you responded saying that's what is in your heart.
Well it's the survival of those who are fittest {Luke 13:24} it's left to you my SB, Jesus said of the sower some fell amongst the thorns and it died due to pressures here and there! Matthew 13:18-22
So the fruit you saw in me that made you tag me "SD" is about to grow in you too but this is that dreadful time Jesus spoke about, it's left to you my SB if you're as tough as you claimed from the beginning of this journey! Matthew 11:12

johnw47:


DappaD and Maximus69 mock and blaspheme Father Son and Holy Spirit
calling them "doghead"
of course there reward is coming:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

yea, they mock God because they are being controlled by the spirit of the antichrist.


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

solite3:

yea, they mock God because they are being controlled by the spirit of the antichrist.


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The funniest thing here is how you are deceiving yourself saying JWs denied all what the group has instill in the minds of all members.

For your information Sir, no member of JW will tell you that Jesus is not the Christ neither do we say he didn't come in the flesh. In fact those who disbelieve those things will not share in the tree of life.
So get your facts well my guy!

hoopernikao:


WHO ARE THOSE CALLED SONS OF GOD IN SCRIPTURES
Firstly, being called the son of God isnt a strange thing in the bible. Note that even though you pointed out that angels were called sons of God, you refused to also show us that there are other instances when other creatures were called son.

1. Adam was called "son of God" Luke 3:38 38 ... which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

We cant from this conclude that Adam was an angel nor say Adam was Jesus.

2. The Psalmist referred to some humans as "sons of God"
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

These arent angels, neither were they Jesus. So, stating that Jesus is called son of God means he is an angel is just an error of interpretation.

3. Christians/Believers were called "sons of God". Based on your submission, can we also conclude that every believer is an angel in heaven? since they are sons of God?

The phrase "sons of God" were not exclusive but must be interpreted in context.

Observe that the usage of "sons of God" for angels ended in OT. There is a reason for that. In NT we have the true light.

Hebrews says, God has not at anytime called ANY ANGEL SON.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

That stand in contradiction to the writers of the OT, yet not contradiction but better light. No angel has been called or referred to as son by God, Hence, that remove Jesus from that list of angels because he was called "son"


Why Are These Called The Sons of God?
The statement "sons of God" does not always mean a birth. It simply implies that these "comes from God". It is a term that identify those that are known to be sent from God. In OT context, this is the reason it was used for angels. Same as used for Adam.

For Believers, it refers to being come from God due to our identification with Christ. This also signify a birth from the spirit just as Jesus (John 3:5)


WHY WAS JESUS CALLED THE SON OF GOD

When you called Jesus son of God, you must understand its context. The context of Jesus as son of God is always referring from his humanity not his divinity.

Luke 1:31-32
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Observe verse 34-35
He is called son because he was to be born. That isnt a name from heaven, but signifying that he was born by the HolyGhost.
He came from God.


WHY THE ONLY BEGOTTEN?
The word "only begotten" is a single word from the Greek word "monogenes". Referring to only child. Note that this comes from two words:

"mono" which means only, one., alone
"genes" from "ginomai" The word "ginomai" implies to come from, to come into existence.

Hence, monogenes will implies "the only one who came into existence from God", i.e. the one who came to being from God, referring to his birth.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son

Observe that later in the epistles, Jesus was now referred mostly to as "first begotten", typifying that there are others which refers to believers in Christ.

Hence, in birth he was the only begotten, in resurrection, he was the first begotten.

In conclusion. there is no platform of justifying Jesus as angel in this context of "son of God". If we are to take everyone called sons of God in the bible as angels, then we will take Adam as angel, Children of Israelite as angels, believers as angels and that will mean we are all angels moving about on earth. This premise is false and such a an error of doctrine.

I grew up in a White garment background Celestial church to be precise. That was before joining the pentecostals.
Like I said, some doctrines came by personal revelation.

There are churches whose leaders found Angel Michael as a manifestation of God.
Till today Celestials believe the trinity to be God, Jesus and Holy Michael.

I've come to find that these are simply proofs that man cannot truly fully know God.

This is why when a Christian believes his own revelation of God is true and others' false, I simply see the person as naive.

God revealed himself to Paul in a different way He revealed himself to the other Apostles, even differently from his revelation to John who is so called the Beloeved of Christ.

I'm glad however that you admitted the contradiction in the bible although you also decided to defend the contradiction with your own exegesis.

Maximus69:


The funniest thing here is how you are deceiving yourself saying JWs denied all what the group has instill in the minds of all members.

For your information Sir, no member of JW will tell you that Jesus is not the Christ neither do we say he didn't come in the flesh. In fact those who disbelieve those things will not share in the tree of life.
So get your facts well my guy!

Jws teaches that Jesus is a spirit being called Michael hence denying Jesus is come in the flesh.
Jws are heavily antichristian, you lots deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus by so doing deny that Jesus is the Christ.

Myer:


I grew up in a White garment background Celestial church to be precise. That was before joining the pentecostals.
Like I said, some doctrines came by personal revelation.

There are churches whose leaders found Angel Michael as a manifestation of God.
Till today Celestials believe the trinity to be God, Jesus and Holy Michael.

I've come to find that these are simply proofs that man cannot truly fully know God.

This is why when a Christian believes his own revelation of God is true and others' false, I simply see the person as naive.

God revealed himself to Paul in a different way He revealed himself to the other Apostles, even differently from his revelation to John who is so called the Beloeved of Christ.

I'm glad however that you admitted the contradiction in the bible although you also decided to defend the contradiction with your own exegesis.

celestia church is not of Jesus Christ.
many spirits are in the world propagating different messages,

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

solite3:

yea, they mock God because they are being controlled by the spirit of the antichrist.


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

When you quote God's word, you need to think of it's PRACTICAL APPLICATION before applying it to cases.
Jesus' coming in the flesh simply means, he became human and experienced all the difficulties that's making it hard for to maintain their integrity before God. So if Jesus can also maintain his integrity as a human being then we too can do the same.
In a nutshell, Jesus maintained his integrity before his God, we following him can do the same, which means he is not the Almighty God because when his time to suffer the pain on the torture stake came Michael (Jesus) wasn't aware that his heavenly father wants him to experience the torture in the flesh, so all his spirit power was taken away for him to feel the torture, that's why he shouted "my God my God why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46
If he is God Almighty that couldn't have happened at all!

solite3:
Jws teaches that Jesus is a spirit being called Michael hence denying Jesus is come in the flesh.
Jws are heavily antichristian, you lots deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus by so doing deny that Jesus is the Christ.

Don't rush things my guy!

This is why i told DappaD that you need to be pitied because you don't know what you're doing!

Of course Jesus is Archangel Michael when he was in heaven but he was transformed into an embryo in the womb of a virgin Jewish girl to be born as human on planet earth!

So while on earth he is no longer an angel but the son of man!

TATIME:


When you quote God's word, you need to think of it's PRACTICAL APPLICATION before applying it to cases.
Jesus' coming in the flesh simply means, he became human and experienced all the difficulties that's making it hard for to maintain their integrity before God. So if Jesus can also maintain his integrity as a human being then we too can do the same.
In a nutshell, Jesus maintained his integrity before his God, we following him can do the same, which means he is not the Almighty God because when his time to suffer the pain on the torture stake came Michael (Jesus) wasn't aware that his heavenly father wants him to experience the torture in the flesh, so all his spirit power was taken away for him to feel the torture, that's why he shouted "my God my God why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46
If he is God Almighty that couldn't have happened at all!

the spirit of antichrist deny that Jesus is come in the flesh,
come in the flesh denote continuity, Jesus continue to be in the flesh which Jwo denies.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Now you are mocking the God that died for your sins to save you

Rozz:
fake wealthy pastor johnw47 has taken a back sit with his habits of same same quotes when DrLiveLogic came on board.I think DrLiveLogic has been here before I'm suspecting him.DrLiveLogic=Fairheart

poor tormented lost lie lie rozz

you of course cannot stop lying just like your daddy:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



u r so duh and unintelligent like all of satans mob are


i feel so sorry for you - not

solite3:
Read very well,
the spirit of antichrist deny that Jesus is come in the flesh,
The word is come in the flesh denote continuity, Jesus continue to be in the flesh which Jwo denies.

You're just joking right?

If he didn't come in the flesh, why do you think JWs are zealously and industriously working hard to imitate him?
Guy, it's because we believe he came in the flesh that's why we are striving to be like him.
The text you quoted is actually condemning you guys because you people take him as God Almighty so none of you wants to imitate his hard works of preaching and teaching, all of you just want the easy way out because you've been brainwashed to think that what Jesus did in the flesh is not normal so you guys don't want to be like him.
But JWs believe he came in the flesh that's why you're seeing us doing the work he commissioned throughout the earth in the best organized setting!

Maximus69:

You're just joking right?

If he didn't come in the flesh, why do you think JWs are zealously and industriously working hard to imitate him?
Guy, it's because we believe he came in the flesh that's why we are striving to be like him.
The text you quoted is actually condemning you guys because you people take him as God Almighty so none of you wants to imitate his hard works of preaching and teaching, all of you just want the easy way out because you've been brainwashed to think that what Jesus did in the flesh is not normal so you guys don't want to be like him.
But JWs believe he came in the flesh that's why you're seeing us doing the work he commissioned throughout the earth in the best organized setting!

He thought the phrase is just something anybody can easily grasp.

IN THE FLESH

Yet all of them are giving contradicting opinions on what they believe, if Jesus came in the flesh how come Trinitarians can't come under the same arrangement to worship God in the flesh?
Why are they contradicting one another yet they want to claim that their leader once lived on this planet in the flesh.

Maximus69:

You're just joking right?

If he didn't come in the flesh, why do you think JWs are zealously and industriously working hard to imitate him?
Guy, it's because we believe he came in the flesh that's why we are striving to be like him.
The text you quoted is actually condemning you guys because you people take him as God Almighty so none of you wants to imitate his hard works of preaching and teaching, all of you just want the easy way out because you've been brainwashed to think that what Jesus did in the flesh is not normal so you guys don't want to be like him.
But JWs believe he came in the flesh that's why you're seeing us doing the work he commissioned throughout the earth in the best organized setting!

false jw mad max

forever making up lies in your head - just talking naturally:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Maximus69:

You're just joking right?

If he didn't come in the flesh, why do you think JWs are zealously and industriously working hard to imitate him?
Guy, it's because we believe he came in the flesh that's why we are striving to be like him.
The text you quoted is actually condemning you guys because you people take him as God Almighty so none of you wants to imitate his hard works of preaching and teaching, all of you just want the easy way out because you've been brainwashed to think that what Jesus did in the flesh is not normal so you guys don't want to be like him.
But JWs believe he came in the flesh that's why you're seeing us doing the work he commissioned throughout the earth in the best organized setting!

clown! is it not the spirit being Michael that you are working for? just as Mohammed claim he received a message from Angel gabriel

@bold,

John didn't say "Jesus came in the flesh" but rather Jesus has come in the flesh

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.



2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Jwo believe Jesus came in the flesh but no longer in the flesh but we Christians believe with John that Jesus is come in the flesh.

TATIME:


He thought the phrase is just something anybody can easily grasp.

IN THE FLESH

Yet all of them are giving contradicting opinions on what they believe, if Jesus came in the flesh how come Trinitarians can't come under the same arrangement to worship God in the flesh?
Why are they contradicting one another yet they want to claim that their leader once lived on this planet in the flesh.

He's just amusing me each time he quotes God's word against himself!

Just imagine Jesus came in the flesh, yet all of you who claims he is your leader can't unite in thought as to what form of worship is approved by the one you're claiming once lived on this planet in the flesh.

Is it not appropriate to conclude that such a person never lived for real since you his followers can't come up with one form of worship?

Can any right thinking person believe 41,000 children who can't come up with one form of worship yet claiming their father was real?

solite3:
clown! is it not the spirit being Michael that you are working for? just as Mohammed claim he received a message from Angel gabriel
@bold,
John didn't say "Jesus came in the flesh" but rather Jesus has come in the flesh
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Jwo believe Jesus came in the flesh but no longer in the flesh but we Christians believe with John that Jesus is come in the flesh.

@ bolded is what revealed your folly my guy!

If actually you guys believe that Jesus came in the flesh, then why aren't you people organized in one single form of worship?
After all nobody can see Jesus now but observers are seeing you and you guys are living in the flesh.

Abi your Jesus is the author of confusion?

johnw47:


poor tormented lost lie lie rozz

you of course cannot stop lying just like your daddy:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



u r so duh and unintelligent like all of satans mob are


i feel so sorry for you - not

wealthy pastor johnw47 but you have not been able to convince me about anything here, my sugar daddy did a better job lol,even DrLiveLogic is very good too. All I keep reading from you are repeated verses.I know I'm still struggling and not too learned in scripture matters but I'm sure I will beat you hands down anytime

Jehovah false witness denies that Jesus is come in the flesh, satan is corny.

If John wanted to use past tense he would have done that but He used present tense rather.
Jesus is come in the flesh is a present tense.

The Apostles clearly taught that Jesus Christ still remains the God-man.
Jesus is completely man and completely God he remains so forever, he didn't put off his humanity

1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.


Lord
κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.


of course anyone can say Jesus is Mr. or master or Sir

but no man can say that Jesus is the Lord - God, but by the Holy Spirit

Maximus69:


Don't rush things my guy!

This is why i told DappaD that you need to be pitied because you don't know what you're doing!

Of course Jesus is Archangel Michael when he was in heaven but he was transformed into an embryo in the womb of a virgin Jewish girl to be born as human on planet earth!

So while on earth he is no longer an angel but the son of man!

you should be ashamed for your lies,
so according to you Jesus is no longer the son of man in heaven?

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

see your lies that Jesus is no longer the son of man has been busted.
where will you hid now

Rozz:
wealthy pastor johnw47 but you have not been able to convince me about anything here, my sugar daddy did a better job lol,even DrLiveLogic is very good too. All I keep reading from you are repeated verses.I know I'm still struggling and not too learned in scripture matters but I'm sure I will beat you hands down anytime

poor tormented unintelligent lie lie rozz

i have said many times, i don't try to convince satans mob of anything
i don't throw pearls to the pigs and dogs, i just show up some of your very many lies

sieve for a brain, u just so duh aren't you


Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rozz:
Hes not johnw47, I'm suspecting he's Fairheart

lie lie rozz

you not only lie like false jw's
you paranoid like them too

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.