CanadaOrBust:


U r still confusing actions motivated by money or deviant sexual urge with actions motivated by just gratuitous wickedness and callousness, which is what we are discussing. If a survey were taken of all 9ja households and the maids were asked who is more wicked, Oga or Madam, tell me honestly what u think will be the result.

So a man having sex with a child is not wicked because it is motivated by sexual urge and not wickedness? In other words, what he did was kind and loving right! Let me know when you are ready to be real.

CanadaOrBust:


Of course there are always exceptions but going by people I know and stories I read, it’s not even close. I know two families right now where the men’s son and daughter from previous marriages are ostracized. See the story below, it is typical. This would never happen if he was the woman’s son

The problem here is that you focus on the ones YOU know and the ones YOU read and now draw a conclusion based on that. Do you know of the countless ones that live happily? You can't draw a conclusion with a biased and subjective view

ImaIma1:


The problem here is that you focus on the ones YOU know and the ones YOU read and now draw a conclusion based on that. Do you know of the countless ones that live happily? You can't draw a conclusion with a biased and subjective view

What else should I focus on if not what I myself see and read everyday. How many times have seen stories where the husband was gratuitously torturing the maid?? It is always the wife!

CanadaOrBust:


What else should I focus on if not what I myself see and read everyday. How many times have seen stories where the husband was gratuitously torturing the maid?? It is always the wife!

Because it's not all about you. The world doesn't rise and set on you. So there are people who are not in the news and who you don't know for you to draw a conclusion.

ImaIma1:


So a man having sex with a child is not wicked because it is motivated by sexual urge and not wickedness? In other words, what he did was kind and loving right! Let me know when you are ready to be real.

Well, horrible as it is, he is NOT doing it because he hates the child or wants to punish it. He is doing it because he is sick with sick sexual urges. The wife, on the other hand, is callously torturing the child possibly out of hatred or pure wickedness - just to inflict pain on a defenseless person she has power over

ImaIma1:


Because it's not all about you. The world doesn't rise and set on you. So there are people who are not in the news and who you don't know for you to draw a conclusion.

In that case u cannot opine on anything cos there’d always be cases u don’t about. You have to go around and ask every single member to conclude about a group!

CanadaOrBust:


In that case u cannot opine on anything cos there’d always be cases u don’t about. You have to go around and ask every single member to conclude about a group!

You should be telling yourself this since you keep drawing conclusions based on limited statistics.

That's why surveys are carried out to get a more authentic analysis. And not this "doctors are more important than teachers" type of argument.

ImaIma1:


You should be telling yourself this since you keep drawing conclusions based on limited statistics.

That's why surveys are carried out to get a more authentic analysis. And not this "doctors are more important than teachers" type of argument.

U just defeated your own argument - surveys never ask all members of a group as u advocate. They take a sample - exactly same thing I do

CanadaOrBust:


U just defeated your own argument - surveys never ask all members of a group as u advocate. They take a sample - exactly same thing I do

I didn't defeat anything.

Your conclusions are biased on based on your own limited exposure and examples. And you are so determined to crucify one sex over the other.

So rest and stop trying too hard to prove a point.

ImaIma1:


I didn't defeat anything.

Your conclusions are biased on based on your own limited exposure and examples. And you are so determined to crucify one sex over the other.

So rest and stop trying too hard to prove a point.

U r the one that is totally biased and trying to make this a gender thing. Anyone who pays even cursory attention KNOWS it is vastly wives that torture maids, not husbands. It is mother-in-laws that cause problems not father. It is “wicked step mother” not father.
These are things that have been established through decades. U don’t have to go ask every mrmber to know it. Even the surveys u mentioned don’t do that

ImaIma1:


I didn't defeat anything.

Your conclusions are biased on based on your own limited exposure and examples. And you are so determined to crucify one sex over the other.

So rest and stop trying too hard to prove a point.

Check out this my new thread.
I’m actually a closet feminist:

https://www.nairaland.com/5964241/why-70-u.s-black-women

CanadaOrBust:


U r the one that is totally biased and trying to make this a gender thing. Anyone who pays even cursory attention KNOWS it is vastly wives that torture maids, not husbands. It is mother-in-laws that cause problems not father. It is “wicked step mother” not father.
These are things that have been established through decades. U don’t have to go ask every mrmber to know it. Even the surveys u mentioned don’t do that

Just the same way you hardly hear female ritualists.

My point is simple...no sex has a monopoly of wickedness. And no matter what you say, you cannot prove that one sex is more wicked than the other.

CanadaOrBust:


Check out this my new thread.
I’m actually a closet feminist:

https://www.nairaland.com/5964241/why-70-u.s-black-women

Not sure I will

ImaIma1:


Not sure I will

You may learn something. At least you’d know nothing I’m saying here is out of gender bias

ImaIma1:


Just the same way you hardly hear female ritualists.

My point is simple...no sex has a monopoly of wickedness. And no matter what you say, you cannot prove that one sex is more wicked than the other.

Popular culture will tend to disagree with u. None of the following applies to their male counterparts:

Wicked step mother
Wicked Mother-in-law
Madam tortures maid
Lady steals baby
“Hell hath no fury...”

Lol

So men are really out there telling themselves that women are more wicked than them?
Wawuu

Look at heinous/violent crime stats around you and around the world.

CanadaOrBust:


I should have put “wicked” in quotes. And I did say GENERALLY. Maybe it’s just my experience, but I don’t think so. Women just generally seem more callous than men. Consider, who is usually more “wicked” - step mum vs. step dad, mother in-law vs f.., madam vs. Oga.
How many times have we read of women almost killing house help; women callously stealing other women’s babies or killing pregnant women to take the child...

Haven’t you heard of the women who the men didn’t even know they fathered other people kids until years and years later? Why didn’t those women kill the men the moment they slept with other people? How did they maintain their homes while cheating like the men did too?

None of these things are determined by gender.

Don’t judge by beer parlor stats. Those aren’t real life.

CanadaOrBust:


Your post sounds very logical and reasonably until we start looking at real life - Women just generally seem more callous than men. Consider, who is usually more “wicked” - step mum vs. step dad, mother in-law vs f.., madam vs. Oga.
How many times have we read of women almost killing house helps; women callously stealing other women’s babies or killing pregnant women to take the child.
Even the cheating u mentioned, a man will be doing it and still maintain his home. Let a woman do it once, next thing you’ll hear is she was arrested for attempting to get rid the husband . Here’s another: men get turned down and even ridiculed all the time, but “hell hath no fury like a woman turned down even once”. A woman will tell a lovelorn pleading man, “Look, I don’t want u, get out of my face b4 I slap u”...

CanadaOrBust:


Seems u forgotten the point of the discussion - the woman usually automatically gets the house, usually their most expensive asset that they both contributed towards. She also usually automatically gets custody of the kids while the man is stuck paying child support!

This is wrong information

CanadaOrBust:


Popular culture will tend to disagree with u. None of the following applies to their male counterparts:

Wicked step mother
Wicked Mother-in-law
Madam tortures maid
Lady steals baby
“Hell hath no fury...”

I see that you can't see far from your own view.
So goodluck finding someone else to engage you in this "pointlessness".

cococandy:
Haven’t you heard of the women who the men didn’t even know they fathered other people kids until years and yeasr later? Why didn’t those women kill the men the moment they slept with other people? How did they maintain their homes while cheating like the men did too?

None of these things are determined by gender.

Don’t judge by beer parlor stats. Those aren’t real life.

Some truths are too difficult to handle.

CanadaOrBust:


You may learn something. At least you’d know nothing I’m saying here is out of gender bias

There's no point. You have established that you can't see beyond your prejudice

eyinjuege:


Some truths are too difficult to handle.

It doesn’t fit their narrative

Well, statistics from the US cannot be used to draw any reasonable conclusions especially on issues about marriage.

cococandy:
Haven’t you heard of the women who the men didn’t even know they fathered other people kids until years and years later? Why didn’t those women kill the men the moment they slept with other people? How did they maintain their homes while cheating like the men did too?

None of these things are determined by gender.

Don’t judge by beer parlor stats. Those aren’t real life.

You got that right! Beer parlour stats. Lol

cococandy:


It doesn’t fit their narrative

So it fit urs?

cococandy:
Look at heinous/violent crime stats around you and around the world.

Who do u consider more wicked - someone who callously tortures a helpless maid simply because she can or someone who robs a store because he wants easy money?

Check out this my thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/5964241/why-70-u.s-black-women

cococandy:
Haven’t you heard of the women who the men didn’t even know they fathered other people kids until years and years later? Why didn’t those women kill the men the moment they slept with other people? How did they maintain their homes while cheating like the men did too?

None of these things are determined by gender.

Don’t judge by beer parlor stats. Those aren’t real life.

Of course there are always exceptions, but generally speaking such women tend to want to get rid of their husband much more more than men.

Popular culture does not evolve from beer parlor stats. They evolve from observation over decades and centuries. Wicked step mother, mother in-law, torturer madam, etc, did not evolve from beer parlor gist

cococandy:

This is wrong information

So these memes evolved out of thin air

ImaIma1:


I see that you can't see far from your own view.
So goodluck finding someone else to engage you in this "pointlessness".

I am not the one that coined those terms. They evolved from centuries of observation.
Nice chatting withcha

ImaIma1:


There's no point. You have established that you can't see beyond your prejudice

I was only stating popular culture. How can that be prejudice. Am I the one who established the mother in- law lore or the wicked step mother ish. These simply represent what society has observed over centuries.

BTW on the other extreme, the most empathetic, bleeding heart people are also women

CanadaOrBust:


So these memes evolved out of thin air

Exactly.

Memes aren’t scholarly articles