bukatyne:


There is no superiority in a marriage relationship, just two lovers with different roles.

Love is putting the wife first.
Submission is putting the husband first.

When the man doesn't love his wife and thinks/puts himself first while expecting a submissive wife, then it is a problem.

Ditto the wife.

I agree with you on this.
You see, most people tend to misunderstand and over interpret what the bible means by submission.
Every admonition in the bible about marriage and family goes hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.
You can't not give and expect, whether you be a husband or a wife.
You can't not love as a husband and expect respect and honour from your wife, even as you can't dishonour your husband as a wife and expect to be loved.

Just as the bible admonishes children to honour their father and mother, it also admonishes fathers not to provoke their children.

Unnerve:

Perhaps he didn't listen to you because he felt he alone earned those resources and hence it was his final decision to make.

Which behoves my point. Marriage should be a partnership where each party play their respective roles and still get equal respect from each other.

A woman's voice or influence should not be restricted to how much she is contributing. Decisions should be assessed and made together irrespective of whose resources is being expended.

But men just think the final decision is theirs, probably because they earn more or because they think they are superior. Funny thing is that a woman who earns more and wants to have her way all the time will be accused of being proud and not submissive.

So you defer when it's not your money, and still defer when it's yours. Only then can you be a virtuous woman.
What a world!

UjuJoan2:


Which behoves my point. Marriage should be a partnership where each party play their respective roles and still get equal respect from each other.

A woman's voice or influence should not be restricted to how much she is contributing. Decisions should be assessed and made together irrespective of whose resources is being expended.

But men just think the final decision is their, probably because they earn more or because they think they are superior.

True.

But do you think men in western societies have that same mentality? If not, why not?

Unnerve:

Perhaps he didn't listen to you because he felt he alone earned those resources and hence it was his final decision to make.

A man who acts like that should not expect loyalty from his wife.

Unnerve:

True.

But do you think men in western societies have that same mentality? If not, why not?

I think men are men everywhere, with the same amount of ego. It is probably less pronounced in developed countries, but generally men just assume a certain level of superiority.

UjuJoan2:


Okay, so submission is NOW a compound word? Lol. I told you to just find another word biko. Don't change the meaning of a word using anectodes and baseless analogies.

In any case, if submission has humility and selflessness as it's constituents that means a man is also honour bound to be submissive to the wife, just like a wife is bound to love her husband.

The Bible says a man should love his wife, does that mean a woman's role is NOT to love?

So also, a woman being submissive doesn't mean a man should not be either.

A boss's authority is of course as it relates to then job, not by ethical or moral standards. And a man is not ethically superior to the wife just because she is a woman.

Submission just like love (countable love) has neither been a feeling nor a stand-alone word - of course, their end products breed good feelings. And like I also said before, submission is an equal variant of love - a man cannot love you without being conscientious at least in his dealings with you and having altruistic interest in you. Love isn't a woman's forte, submission is because it's feminine. Love (man) isn't superior to submission (woman), and vice versa - yet equality doesn't mean absence of leadership.

But then I understand where you're coming from citing what you said transpired between you and your hubby - but don't forget that that shouldn't be standard.

Truth is that not all women possess the attributes of submission, same as not all men possess attributes of love.

LordKO:


Submission just like love (countable love) has neither being a feeling nor a stand-alone word. And like I also said before, submission is an equal variant of love - a man cannot love you without being conscientious at least in his dealings with you and having altruistic interest in you. Love isn't a woman's forte, submission is because it's feminine. Love (man) isn't superior to submission (woman), and vice versa - yet equality doesn't mean absence of leadership.

But then I understand where you're coming from citing what you said transpired between you and your hubby - but don't forget that that shouldn't be standard.

Truth is that not all women possess the attributes of submission, same as not all men possess attributes of love.

Again, I need to understand why submission is feminine. And love is not masculine?

Aside from that one experience, I've had colleagues who think they are superior just because they are men. Not necessarrily because they are better.

I don't get why submission should be reserved for women alone. You keep saying submission is about humility and selflessness, and yet you claim it should be used just for women. So men don't need to be selfless in marriages? Is there something derogatory about that particular word that you think it should never be used to qualify men?

Is that word truly a feminine word, or you just want it be?

UjuJoan2:


Again, I need to understand why submission is feminine. And love is not masculine?

LOL. Don't tell me that you don't know the unspoken law of mutuality; both love and submission are products of goodness, so for mutuality to take place in goodness it breeds love and submission - biological necessities. In order words, the same way we've male and female is the same reason why love is masculine, and submission is feminine. Once more, neither of them is superior to each other - yet equality doesn't negate leadership.

LordKO:


LOL. Don't tell me that you don't know the unspoken law of mutuality; both love and submission are products of goodness, so for mutuality to take place in goodness it breeds love and submission - biological necessities. In other words, the same way we've male and female is the same reason why love is masculine, and submission is feminine. Once more, neither of them is superior to each other - yet equality doesn't negate leadership.

So it all boils down to biology right?? You see why I say the premise is flawed?

Have you ever met someone who is truly incapable of loving someone else. Not because he or she doesn't want to, but they 'cannot'. Does such a person not deserve to be loved? To understand that of a person and love them anyway is the true unconditional love.

To be able to love selflessly takes grace. The grace that comes only from God. Not every man is blessed with such grace.

UjuJoan2:


So it all boils down to biology right?? You see why I say the premise is flawed?

Have you ever met someone who is truly incapable of loving someone else. Not because he or she doesn't want to, but they 'cannot'. Does such a person not deserve to be loved? To understand that of a person and love them anyway is the true unconditional love.

To be able to love selflessly takes grace. The grace that comes only from God. Not every man is blessed with such grace.

Every sane human being loves other human beings unconditionally. However, it's one thing to love someone, but it's an entire different thing to fall in love with that same person and stay in love with the same person.

Don't mistake countable love for uncountable love, or agape love for marital and erotic love.

Love is ambiguous, don't forget.

LordKO:


Every sane human being loves other human beings unconditionally. However, it's one thing to love someone, but it's an entire different thing to fall in love with that same person and stay in love with the same person.

Don't mistake countable love for uncountable love, or agape love for marital and erotic love.

Love is ambiguous, don't forget.

I'm not confused about the type of love under discussion, we are talking about love in a marriage, not even erotic love, but the kind of love Jesus described when he said men should love their wives the way he loves the church.

Now Jesus gave up his life for the Church, even while we were yet sinners. Do you think every 'sane' man has the capacity to love his wife so? Without grace?

UjuJoan2:


I'm not confused about the type of love under discussion, we are talking about love in a marriage, not even erotic love, but the kind of love Jesus described when he said men should love their wives the way he loves the church.

Now Jesus gave up his life for the Church, even while we were yet sinners. Do you think every 'sane' man has the capacity to love his wife so? Without grace?

A sane man doesn't automatically equate to good husband, just as a sane woman doesn't automatically equate to good wife. So, I refer you to one of my previous posts where I stated that not all men have the attributes of love, just as not all women have the attributes of submission; this by extension means that not all men have the capacity to love their wives, same also as not all women have the capacity to be submissive to their husbands.

Meanwhile, one doesn't automatically need "grace" to love his wife; one's ethical leanings will always determine his capacity to love or otherwise.

In summary, mutual healthy marriage is for men and women who're of strong ethical leanings, regardless of their belief systems. Oneness remains the soul of marriage, and there can't be oneness where there's no mutual altruism - conscientiousness is constant.

LordKO:



A sane man doesn't automatically equate to good husband, just as a sane woman doesn't automatically equate to good wife. So, I refer you to one of my previous posts where I stated that not all men have the attributes of love, just as not all women have the attributes of submission; this by extension means that not all men have the capacity to love their wives, same also as not all women have the capacity to be submissive to their husbands.

Meanwhile, one doesn't automatically need "grace" to love his wife; one's ethical leanings will always determine his capacity to love or otherwise.

In summary, mutual healthy marriage is for men and women who're of strong ethical leanings, regardless of their belief systems. Oneness remains the soul of marriage, and there can't be oneness where there's no mutual altruism - conscientiousness is constant.

The marriage we are discussing is Christian marriage, not based on ethics but based on the scriptures.

So if we are referring to Christian love and Christian submission, then only grace from God can give both man and woman the ability to live the life required in a marriage.

You are mixing up a whole lot of concepts and confusing yourself. Ethics does not require laying down your life for your wife, but Christian marriage does.

Again I say, choose a side and stick to it. Stop running all over the place trying to prove a pointless point. I know it negates all that you are as a man to acknowledge that you can learn something from a woman, albeit inferior. The fact that you refer to yourself as a 'Lord' gives me an insight as to the kind of person you are. That's why you say with one breath that submission is selflessness, and say with the other that it's feminine and too derogatory to use for a man.

Get over yourself already biko . . .

UjuJoan2:


The marriage we are discussing is Christian marriage, not based on ethics but based on the scriptures.

So if we are referring to Christian love and Christian submission, then only grace from God can give both man and woman the ability to live the life required in a marriage.

You are mixing up a whole lot of concepts and confusing yourself. Ethics does not require laying down your life for your wife, but Christian marriage does.

Again I say, choose a side and stick to it. Stop running all over the place trying to prove a pointless point. I know it negates all that you are as a man to acknowledge that you can learn something from a woman, albeit inferior. The fact that you refer to yourself as a 'Lord' gives me an insight as to the kind of person you are. That's why you say with one breath that submission is selflessness, and say with the other that it's feminine and too derogatory to use for a man.

Get over yourself already biko . . .

Your delusion of persecution is an open secret, which is obviously occasioned by conceit and egoism - low self-esteem is a bad thing.

And stop projecting your mental parochial husband towards me or "Nairaland men" who, according to you in your deluded mind, equate servility to submissiveness/virtuousness; two of you fit each other - crass and expedient elements.

Maybe, you can now see that no one person has monopoly of toxicity - conscientiousness is golden. Learn to exercise your liberty within the confines of decorum. Grace is a product of ethics, by the way, and for your small mind you're more Christian than I might have ever been.

I remain a proud egalitarian.

UjuJoan2:


How is 'submission' putting the husband first? Even when he is clearly making a mistake? Sometimes you need to save a man from himself even at the risk of being termed querulous. That, I think, is truly putting him first.

There is no superiority in a marriage so why assign the role of submission to one person. Shouldn't that even be a role borne by both parties?

Love should be mutual in a marriage and submission should be eradicated.

To understand submission and live in a Christian marriage is not a crash course: it is a lifestyle ingrained into the kids growing up.

No genuine Christian husband would insist on his way or the high way if he is not sure of himself. He is expected to be a servant-leader putting his wife first.

So he says they should do X, Y Z. Why? If the wife has an objection, the husband should go back, re-think his stance and come and convince his wife if he thinks his way is the better way.

The leadership of a Christian husband is a call to serve and lead his home into a glorious vision on earth and prep them up for heaven.

I remember a poster once said he waited until his wife was convinced before embarking on something she did not agree with. He did not change his stance (because he was convinced it was the right way), he just waited until he sold the vision to her so they are truly one.

There is always a window to pray together in unity and love before embarking on any major project.

And the wife can also pray for wisdom and understanding so she has the right points to dissuade her husband if/when required depending on the way they make decisions.

Husbands also pray their wives buy their points so they can agree in unity to do the project.

It is very important to note that this method would not work if things are marked with selfishness. It must be that you are convinced (husband/wife) that your way is the best to bring the family to the next level.

Submission is also not seen as a bad thing or a degoratory position. Even Ephesians 5:21 tells us to submit one to another. The new testament is also filled with verses telling Christians to submit to themselves, put others before themselves etc.

When the Bible warns that Christians should not marry non-Christians, it is ward off cases like this.

The requirement of the Christian husband and wife is great that a non-aligned partner would be extremely frustrating.

many women see submitting as a bad thing sometimes due to their bad experiences.
But we all submit one way or the other, as citizens we submit to government, as workers we submit to our employers, as students to the institution in which we school.
In a Christian home, God's standard is that the man should lead while his wife should submit to his authority but Christian leadership is different from worldly leadership.

The Christian leadership is one that is patterned after Christ. A Christian male is not somebody that goes to church or somebody who is a pastor but A Christian male is a man who has submitted to The leadership of Christ, such a man only reflects the characters and leadership of Jesus Christ in his home, while a Christian female is not one who just go to church or hold position in church but A christian female is one who has submitted to Christ and therefore can submit to her husband, any woman who cannot submit to her husband has not submitted to Christ, also any man who is devoured of Godly leadership has not submitted to Christ,

bukatyne:


To understand submission and live in a Christian marriage is not a crash course: it is a lifestyle ingrained into the kids growing up.

No genuine Christian husband would insist on his way or the high way if he is not sure of himself. He is expected to be a servant-leader putting his wife first.

So he says they should do X, Y Z. Why? If the wife has an objection, the husband should go back, re-think his stance and come and convince his wife if he thinks his way is the better way.

The leadership of a Christian husband is a call to serve and lead his home into a glorious vision on earth and prep them up for heaven.

I remember a poster once said he waited until his wife was convinced before embarking on something she did not agree with. He did not change his stance (because he was convinced it was the right way), he just waited until he sold the vision to her so they are

There is always a window to pray together

i duff my hat for you.

bukatyne:


To understand submission and live in a Christian marriage is not a crash course: it is a lifestyle ingrained into the kids growing up.

No genuine Christian husband would insist on his way or the high way if he is not sure of himself. He is expected to be a servant-leader putting his wife first.

So he says they should do X, Y Z. Why? If the wife has an objection, the husband should go back, re-think his stance and come and convince his wife if he thinks his way is the better way.

The leadership of a Christian husband is a call to serve and lead his home into a glorious vision on earth and prep them up for heaven.

I remember a poster once said he waited until his wife was convinced before embarking on something she did not agree with. He did not change his stance (because he was convinced it was the right way), he just waited until he sold the vision to her so they are truly one.

There is always a window to pray together in unity and love before embarking on any major project.

And the wife can also pray for wisdom and understanding so she has the right points to dissuade her husband if/when required depending on the way they make decisions.

Husbands also pray their wives buy their points so they can agree in unity to do the project.

It is very important to note that this method would not work if things are marked with selfishness. It must be that you are convinced (husband/wife) that your way is the best to bring the family to the next level.

Submission is also not seen as a bad thing or a degoratory position. Even Ephesians 5:21 tells us to submit one to another. The new testament is also filled with verses telling Christians to submit to themselves, put others before themselves etc.

When the Bible warns that Christians should not marry non-Christians, it is ward off cases like this.

The requirement of the Christian husband and wife is great that a non-aligned partner would be extremely frustrating.

Me likey

LordKO:


Your delusion of persecution is an open secret, which is obviously occasioned by conceit and egoism - low self-esteem is a bad thing.

And stop projecting your mental parochial husband towards me or "Nairaland men" who according to you in your deluded mind equate servility to submissiveness/virtuousness; two of you fit each other - crass and expedient elements.

Maybe, you can now see that no one person has monopoly of toxicity - conscientiousness is golden. Learn to exercise your liberty within the confines of decorum. Grace is a product of ethics, by the way, and for your small mind you're more Christian than I might have ever been.

I remain a proud egalitarian.

Okay . . . whatever you say!

bukatyne:


To understand submission and live in a Christian marriage is not a crash course: it is a lifestyle ingrained into the kids growing up.

No genuine Christian husband would insist on his way or the high way if he is not sure of himself. He is expected to be a servant-leader putting his wife first.

So he says they should do X, Y Z. Why? If the wife has an objection, the husband should go back, re-think his stance and come and convince his wife if he thinks his way is the better way.

The leadership of a Christian husband is a call to serve and lead his home into a glorious vision on earth and prep them up for heaven.

I remember a poster once said he waited until his wife was convinced before embarking on something she did not agree with. He did not change his stance (because he was convinced it was the right way), he just waited until he sold the vision to her so they are truly one.

There is always a window to pray together in unity and love before embarking on any major project.

And the wife can also pray for wisdom and understanding so she has the right points to dissuade her husband if/when required depending on the way they make decisions.

Husbands also pray their wives buy their points so they can agree in unity to do the project.

It is very important to note that this method would not work if things are marked with selfishness. It must be that you are convinced (husband/wife) that your way is the best to bring the family to the next level.

Submission is also not seen as a bad thing or a degoratory position. Even Ephesians 5:21 tells us to submit one to another. The new testament is also filled with verses telling Christians to submit to themselves, put others before themselves etc.

When the Bible warns that Christians should not marry non-Christians, it is ward off cases like this.

The requirement of the Christian husband and wife is great that a non-aligned partner would be extremely frustrating.

If what you are saying is as clear as black and white, then every Christian marriage should be 'perfect' right? I mean Pastors should constantly be living in marital bliss?

The problem is that people have a literal interpretation of the scripture without letting the spirit guide them accordingly.

So a man believes things should go a certain way, his wife objects, he sees no reason to consider it her own way, he just bids his time until he wears her down, and then does what he wanted in the first place?

Remember Elizabeth in the bible, the mother of John? She got the ministration, not her husband. The idea of having a child was laughable to him, and if not that he was struck with dumbness he would have mocked his wife and forbidden her from mentioning such an outrageous idea.

In my own case, do you even consider that my 'objectiveness' is a gift from God, probably to help guide my husband on the right path? And He needed to make that mistake to learn that lesson?

I still believe the role of a woman is to guide and the LITERAL concept of submission negates that role.

Anyway, we all entitled to our own beliefs and interpretation of the scriptures.

UjuJoan2:


If what you are saying is as clear as black and white, then every Christian marriage should be 'perfect' right? I mean Pastors should constantly be living in marital bliss?

yes the christian marriage should be perfect but Christians are not perfect but work towards perfection. Jesus said we should be as perfect as our heavenly father.

problem is that people have a literal interpretation of the scripture without letting the spirit guide them accordingly.

which spirit is that? any spirit that twist the scripture is not from God, the Holy Spirit cannot contradict the word of God.
what do you mean by literal interpretation?

So a man believes things should go a certain way, his wife objects, he sees no reason to consider it her own way, he just bids his time until he wears her down, and then does what he wanted in the first place?

A man that obeys the Lord Jesus would not do this,

Remember Rebecca in the bible, the mother of John? She got the ministration, not her husband. The idea of having a child was laughable to him, and if not that he was struck with dumbness he would have mocked his wife and forbidden her from mentioning such an outrageous idea.

Rebecca the mother of John? where is that in the bible? Elizabeth Husband was not struck dumb because he would have mocked his wife but rather he was struck because he doubted the angel's message.

In my own case, do you even consider that my 'objectiveness' is a gift from God, probably to help guide my husband on the right path? And He needed to make that mistake to learn that lesson?

I still believe the role of a woman is to guide and the LITERAL concept of submission negates that role.

Anyway, we all entitled to our own beliefs and interpretation of the scriptures.

your belief is anti scriptural.
The scripture is not for personal interpretations

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

After fornicating finish, they will na carry bible and start preaching submission.

You couldn’t even respect God that you can’t see, is it now human being you will respect?

By the way, there is no single bible passage that can stand logic. That is why when you try to explain it, you end up saying so much and nothing.

E.g Husband love, wife submit

Question: Does that mean I should only love and not submit?

Preacher: No, you have to love to submit?

Question: Does that mean he will also love and submit?

Preacher: *More nonsense*

solite3:
yes the christian marriage should be perfect but Christians are not perfect but work towards perfection. Jesus said we should be as perfect as our heavenly father.


which spirit is that? any spirit that twist the scripture is not from God, the Holy Spirit cannot contradict the word of God.
what do you mean by literal interpretation?

A man that obeys the Lord Jesus would not do this,

Rebecca the mother of John? where is that in the bible? Elizabeth Husband was not struck dumb because he would have mocked his wife but rather he was struck because he doubted the angel's message.

your belief is anti scriptural.
The scripture is not for personal interpretations

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Anti-scriptural in what sense? Remember the bible says that a man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife and this means that the role of a wife is equivalent to that of a parent, which is fundamentally to guide. The act of marriage itself is already submission, how else will a woman abandon her own identity and take up that of a man?

Even the bible advises us to ask the spirit to interpret the words of the scripture to us. The holy spirit takes the words and translates them in a way unique to your circumstance. And that is why I don't really pay much attention to people reeling out the scriptures to prove a point, because you are obviously interpreting it in a way that would suit your own line of argument.

But you telling me that the bible dictates that a woman would defer to her husband in the way men insist is where I completely disagree. The only superior being in a marriage is God, and not the husband. And no amount of scripture you quote will convince me.

PS: My mistake, Elizabeth not Rebecca

lucianotawinji:
An advice from an older woman to a younger one:

"Don't learn how to do things better than your husband. A man needs to think he knows more than his wife so she will respsect him and depend on him. It makes him feel more like a man. "

What do you think about this advice?

I think that advice is from coven of darkness .

You shouldn't even mention God neither the bible, It is clear you don't give a damn about God neither his word.
By their fruit they shall be known.

when you are not ready to obey God, the Spirit of lies is waiting to do the interpretation.

Micah 2:11 If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.

Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

UjuJoan2:


Anti-scriptural in what sense? Remember the bible says that a man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife and this means that the role of a wife is equivalent to that of a parent, which is fundamentally to guide. The act of marriage itself is already submission, how else will a woman abandon her own identity and take up that of a man?

Even the bible advises us to ask the spirit to interpret the words of the scripture to us. The holy spirit takes the words and translates them in a way unique to your circumstance. And that is why I don't really pay much attention to people reeling out the scriptures to prove a point, because you are obviously interpreting it in a way that would suit your own line of argument.

But you telling me that the bible dictates that a woman would defer to her husband in the way men insist is where I completely disagree. The only superior being in a marriage is God, and not the husband. And no amount of scripture you quote will convince me.

PS: My mistake, Elizabeth not Rebecca

solite3:
You shouldn't even mention God neither the bible, It is clear you don't give a damn about God neither his word.
By their fruit they shall be known.

when you are not ready to obey God, the Spirit of lies is waiting to do the interpretation.

Micah 2:11 If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.

Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

Okay . . . Whatever you say!

solite3:
many women see submitting as a bad thing sometimes due to their bad experiences.
But we all submit one way or the other, as citizens we submit to government, as workers we submit to our employers, as students to the institution in which we school.
In a Christian home, [s]God's standard is that the man should lead while his wife should submit to his authority [/s]but Christian leadership is different from worldly leadership.

The Christian leadership is one that is patterned after Christ. A Christian male is not somebody that goes to church or somebody who is a pastor but A Christian male is a man who has submitted to The leadership of Christ, such a man only reflects the characters and leadership of Jesus Christ in his home, while a Christian female is not one who just go to church or hold position in church but A christian female is one who has submitted to Christ and therefore can submit to her husband, any woman who cannot submit to her husband has not submitted to Christ, also any man who is devoured of Godly leadership has not submitted to Christ,

Correction, Gods standard is for the husband to love his wife, then wife should submit to her husband, if a man thinks because he is simply a man therefore the wife would automatically submit, without him loving her and showing it whole heartedly, he is delusional, it can never happen, especially for one undeserving of it,

And pls, do not compare the marriage institution to everyday attributes we have to adhere, totally different 100%


As for God comparing his love for the church to that of the husband to the wife, he gave up his life for us all, that is how much he loved us, how many men will love and give up their life for their wife? Let's not even go that far, how many men would give up a part of their organ to save the life of their wife? Can he take a bullet for her? Go to prison for her? This is the biblical standard for a Christian marriage and how it should be, and we all know it can NEVER happen, and if it did, maybe one in a billion,

See, I believe this marriage thing is very dicey, in my opinion, everyone should just do what works for them, it is not a sin, husband and wife can agree to be equal partners because it works for them, there is nothing wrong in that, and a wife can agree to be submissive regardless or being loved or not, na her problem, no one should try and coerce a man/woman to do/be/act in ways unsuitable for their kind of person, it is a recipe for disaster, this is also one of the problems in marriages today, do what works for you.

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Biglittlelois:




Correction, Gods standard is for the husband to love his wife, then wife should submit to her husband, if a man thinks because he is simply a man therefore the wife would automatically submit, without him loving her and showing it whole heartedly, he is delusional, it can never happen, especially for one undeserving of it,

And pls, do not compare the marriage institution to everyday attributes we have to adhere, totally different 100%


As for God comparing his love for the church to that of the husband to the wife, he gave up his life for us all, that is how much he loved us, how many men will love and give up their life for their wife? Let's not even go that far, how many men would give up a part of their organ to save the life of their wife? Can he take a bullet for her? Go to prison for her? This is the biblical standard for a Christian marriage and how it should be, and we all know it can NEVER happen, and if it did, maybe one in a billion,

See, I believe this marriage thing is very dicey, in my opinion, everyone should just do what works for them, it is not a sin, husband and wife can agree to be equal partners because it works for them, there is nothing wrong in that, and a wife can agree to be submissive regardless or being loved or not, na her problem, no one should try and coerce a man/woman to do/be/act in ways unsuitable for their kind of person, it is a recipe for disaster, this is also one of the problems in marriages today, do what works for you.

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I'm just thinking out loud

If indeed the requirement for submission from a wife is love from her husband, why then do women who claim to be Christians only submit completely to a man with money and not the man who loves them like God loves the church?

Mariangeles:


A man who acts like that should not expect loyalty from his wife.

You come off like one who dreams of a fairytale married life. Cinderella or Snow White kinda marriage, lol

You Maria, even you when married, will prefer to have the final say on how any money you earned from your own hard work, should be spent.
This is a human thing, not a gender thing.

Unnerve:
I'm just thinking out loud

If indeed the requirement for submission from a wife is love from her husband, why then do women who claim to be Christians only submit completely to a man with money and not the man who loves them like God loves the church?

Your answer lies in the bolded. There's a difference between what you claim and what you are.

You people should stop dragging Christianity nah.

Ariza:
Your answer lies in the bolded. There's a difference between what you claim and what you are.

You people should stop dragging Christianity nah.

What kind of man would you submit to? The one who loves you like God loves his church, or the one who provides for you like Solomon provided for his harem?

I already figure you want the best of both worlds, but you still humour me. Lol