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| Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:13pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? JULY 6, 2020 Ray Comfort Founder & CEO, Living Waters  “Where is, ‘Thou shalt not rape’…?” —Pat C., Facebook question While the Bible doesn’t say, “Thou shalt not rape” in the Ten Commandments, it is summed up in the essence of the moral Law, which says to love your neighbour as yourself. Love does not rape. Hebrew criminal law considered rape such a serious crime that rapists were to be put to death: “But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die” (Deuteronomy 22:25, KJV). Yet there are some who believe that the Scriptures say that the victim of the rapist had to marry him. He wasn’t to be punished, but to be rewarded with the woman as his prize. Here is the verse used to justify that belief: “If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and LAY HOLD ON HER, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days”(Deuteronomy 22:28-29, KJV, caps added). Unbelievably, (in the light of the previous verse saying that a rapist was to be put to death) a number of modern translations interpret “lay hold on her” as rape. The Hebrew word “tapas” means to “take hold of something,” to grasp it in hand, and (by application) to capture or seize something. In Genesis 4:21, it used for “handling” the flute. If a man raped a woman, he was to be put to death. Killed. That means he is dead (no longer alive), and a dead man can’t marry the woman he raped. He can’t marry her because he’s dead. So for those who can figure out that dead men don’t marry women, coupled with the fact that the verse says “if THEY be found,” implying both were guilty, this verse obviously refers to consensual sex. It’s similar to what we nowadays call a “shotgun” wedding. They had to get married. Source 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by falcon01: 12:32am On Jul 08, 2020 |
Of course it said so |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:35am On Jul 08, 2020 |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by karo93: 6:54am On Jul 08, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: the difference is bethrothed versus not bethrothed. A bethrothed lady already belongs to someone. So if you rape her you die. A non bethrothed lady belongs to to one. If you rape her you keep her. Web version states it like this But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [3] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. This verse below is the closest thing to consensual sex and the punishment is not shotgun marriage.. .its death 23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death--the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:11pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
karo93: Wrong. "A non bethrothed lady" belongs to her family, community and nation, you cannot rape and then marry her. The penalty for rape in this context is death. If you had properly studied the verses in the OP you would have discovered that the sex between them was consensual and the enforced marriage is what is called a 'Shotgun Wedding.' www.nairaland.com/attachments/9846586_shotgunmarriage1_jpeg865fcc9cb23e81d2af41d70c13133e26 karo93: What web version are you quoting here?  |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by donnie(m): 3:30pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
That is a Hebrew custom practiced until not too long ago, and up till today in yet a few Hebrew communities in Africa. What they called rape in those days is not really what it is called today. It is what they consensual sex today. The father will hold you for destroying his daughter and you must marry her or at least pay her bride price. There was nothing like boyfriend or girlfriend like we have today after the pollution of white supremacy and Christianity. In the second instance (rape as it's called today), it was punishable by death. |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by karo93: 3:38pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: Its an online translation....seems to be a form of NIV http://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/DEUT+22.html This is Good news translation below....and its saying the same thing; Rape an engaged lady and die, rape a non engaged lady and marry her. 22 “If a man is caught having intercourse with another man's wife, both of them are to be put to death. In this way you will get rid of this evil. 23 “Suppose a man is caught in a town having intercourse with a young woman who is engaged to someone else. 24 You are to take them outside the town and stone them to death. She is to die because she did not cry out for help, although she was in a town, where she could have been heard. And the man is to die because he had intercourse with someone who was engaged. In this way you will get rid of this evil. 25 “Suppose a man out in the countryside rapes a young woman who is engaged to someone else. Then only the man is to be put to death; 26 nothing is to be done to the woman, because she has not committed a sin worthy of death. This case is the same as when one man attacks another man and murders him. 27 The man raped the engaged woman in the countryside, and although she cried for help, there was no one to help her. 28 “Suppose a man is caught raping a young woman who is not engaged. 29 He is to pay her father the bride price of fifty pieces of silver, and she is to become his wife, because he forced her to have intercourse with him. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. GNB |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:13pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
karo93: That is half truth and a lie. The sex committed with the non engaged lady in verses 28 to 29 is consensual and the previous verse shows us that God gives the death sentence to rapists. You should try and mention the chapter and verse so that we can know which book you are addressing. The book is Deuteronomy, chapter 22, from verses 22-29. karo93: This is consensual sex between a married woman and a man, which is punishable by a death sentence. karo93: This is also consensual sex with a woman who is engaged to another man. This is also punishable by death. karo93: This sex is not consensual and is thus termed rape. The man only is to be put to death here. It is stated clearly in verse 27 that God gives the death sentence to rapists. karo93: The authorised version got it right here. It says: "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give to the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he has humbled her, he may not put her away all his days" (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). This is what is called a shotgun wedding. You can see from the verses above that it was consensual here. They were caught in the act (they were found). The fact that the lady did not raise an alarm shows that that they were having consensual sex with the man not willing to commit to a life time commitment in marriage. He was enjoying the benefit of marriage without committing to marriage. If they are caught the man is obligated to a shotgun wedding. Wedding by force, as you may.  www.nairaland.com/attachments/9891603_shotgunmarriage_jpegff3f69d24c556f6e8cc9e5b5b89c7e69 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by karo93: 7:42pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: Your argument is with the Good news bible translation and not me.... Good news called it rape and in the same verses 28 to 29 they stated that the man forced her to have intercourse with him and then concluded that he should marry her. I have only quoted them. You are free to discredit the translation if you dont like the way they said it.... afterall no be me write am |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:09pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
karo93: If you read it in its context you will see the import of the message. It is adjudged consensual if the lady involved does not shout for help but if she does it is considered as rape. The sexual sins depicted in these verse include adultery, fornication (consensual) and rape (non consensual). If the sexual activity took place in the city or town the lady is expected to shout for help for folks to rescue her but if she doesn't cry out for help that shows that it was consensual, that they were just making out. If the lady is not engaged to the man but they are just secretly having sex and they are caught in the act as in the case in verses 28 and 29 then they will be forced to do a quick marriage (shotgun wedding). My advise is that you read up or at least Google Shotgun Wedding for better understanding.  |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by karo93: 9:19pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: Funny guy.....u love the idea of shot gun marraige so much that you dont mind forcing an explanation for it in the bible.... Wetin concern me..... those pictures are cute sha...... double barreled gun behind that couple......the father of the bride holding a gun behind a couple....cool stuff.. Shot gun marraige is real....parents force young people to marry when they catch them having sex....although pregnancy is the most common gun to the head...... it is sha not what Deuteronomy 22 is talking about..... If you dont like what Good news bible said just discredit the translation and let everybody go and sleep.......not wasting everybody's time with pictures and gist about shotgun marraige |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:52pm On Jul 08, 2020 |
karo93: If you study the verses properly in its context you will see that the sexual activity involved here was consensual and that is what called for the "Shotgun Wedding." |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:48pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Question: "According to the book of Deuteronomy, the cost of keeping an unwed virgin which I have raped is 50 silver shekels. Is that correct?" Ray Comfort Answers: If you study the verses, you will see that the sex was consensual. We call it a shotgun wedding. Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 14 July 2017 at 14:00 · www.theEXITmovie.com |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:13pm On Jul 10, 2020 |
"God forces victims to marry their rapists." Not so. The sex in the commonly cited verse, is consensual (Deuteronomy 22:28—29). Nowadays we call it a shot-gun wedding. The previous verse will tell you that God gives the death sentence to rapists. That's how much He cares about the victim. Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 23 July 2017 · www.theEXITmovie.com |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by BeLookingIDIOT(m): 12:24pm On Jul 10, 2020 |
xtians always reinterpreting the obvious: 1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT) So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan. The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.” Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we dest60royed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes. Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil? 2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT) They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins. 3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery? 4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God. 5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”. 6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB) Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’ Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick! 7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.” Once again God approves of forcible rape.  Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB) 9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) 10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB) Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB) |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:13pm On Jul 10, 2020 |
BeLookingIDIOT: Do you believe all these crimes actually happened? |
| Re: Does The Bible Say A Rape Victim Must Marry Her Rapist? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:00pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
Is Shot Gun Wedding still happening today? |
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