LabuleofNigeria:


It is called "Belief" and not "Zombiesm" as you claim
No doubts, Science is great and has brought many innovation and knowledge, but science is not all (I am a researcher too).

How can your allmighty science explain what happens in the Bermuda triange ?
or lets even start with this little bottle without a single crack, pls explain this with science ? i am waiting..

iamdannyfc:

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https://www.instructables.com/id/Golf-Balls-in-a-Coke-Bottle/

https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Impossible-Bottle

https://playingcarddecks.com/blogs/all-in/how-to-make-an-impossible-bottle-a-top-secret-revealed

tintingz:
Nice, you even presented how it works.

Lol. It's ridiculous he thinks the cross was put in the bottle with supernatural power.

He clearly doesn't know there are tricks. These are the zombiesm I'm talking.

LabuleofNigeria:


LOL, what he posted was a mere trick.. (Thats why i didnt respond)
i was even waiting him to also post edited video tricks of how witch turn to birds too.... (google boy)

What i presented wasnt a trick, if you doubt i will show you one physically if you so wish. My words clearly stated that a bottle without a single crack.

LabuleofNigeria:


LOL, what he posted was a mere trick.. (Thats why i didnt respond)
i was even waiting him to also post edited video tricks of how witch turn to birds too.... (google boy)

What i presented wasnt a trick, if you doubt i will show you one physically if you so wish. My words clearly stated that a bottle without a single crack.

tintingz:
It's actually a trick or can you demonstrate that supernaturally?



So where and when can we meet?

LabuleofNigeria:


Lets meet this Sunday, Ikororu (last bstop). will hook you there.
Youll see hell of spiritual magic and almost pass-out i bet you. You can come along with someone if you have any doubt or fears.

Can even test some stuffs on your colleagues if they permit

tintingz:


Ibrahim skepticism didn't lead to enlightenment, he only upgraded to another version of what his family believed in, it's like moving from believing in Batman to believing in Superman. The polytheists believed their gods communicate to them, Ibrahim believes his god communicate to him they're both in the same circles of delusion(no offense), he even wanted to kill his son because a voice spoke to him in his head, imagine someone doing that today.

Using Abraham for skepticism isn't a good example.

IMAliyu:

I personally see it more of as a move similar to the move from a belief in a flat earth to a geocentric spherical earth. Getting there but not quite.

Pretty much pre Greek philosophy and the much later scientific enlightenment, a person living without a belief in the supernatural or a god was a rarity because too much was unknown about the world (well still is, slightly just less now) a simple example was what caused the rain fall and thunder to an early historic man? The "heaven father" is the one causing it would had been a relatively satisfactory answer before the study of meteorology.

So monotheism was a move from worshipping man made inanimate objects (idolatry) to a belief in an invisible entity that caused and causes everything unexplainable. Although it wasn't any better in terms of it's wackiness.
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In the your opening topic. You pointed to something I've been trying to figure out, the Islamic golden age when some Muslims were great thinkers and learners and it's down fall and how the Muslim world has pretty much regressed to the dark ages where asking certain questions would be you endangering yourself to the point that a lot of Muslims are now science deniers. I've had to explain to friends that a lot of mathematical concepts were invented by Muslims and not the Europeans trying to confuse you.

whitelotus:



How does the planet Neptune affect human scientists? It is natural for humans to explore and learn things, even if it doesnt affect them directly.

You do not own islam. You are just one Muslim out of millions.

If you believe in a creator God, you should also logically believe that God gave man a brain to learn.

Islam is a religion. A compilation of ideas. Some of those ideas not favorable to non believers, especially atheists.

It is not wrong for one to explore ideas.

AntiChristian:


Of what use is my believe to yours?
Isn't this what you atheist accuse others of?

whitelotus:



Stop repeating questions that have been answered. Again, you do not own islam. Islam is a religion with many principles and it is natural for a philosopher like myself to ask questions about those principles, whether you like it or not. If you are so afraid of debating your religion, then you should question why you believe in it.


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Hitler was not an atheist. He was a christian.

Furthermore, those guys were communists before being atheists. Communism in of itself is like a religion that worships the state. They never killed for atheism or in the name of atheism.

People who post that picture or are in support of that picture clearly show their ignorance on world politics

whitelotus:



Stop repeating questions that have been answered. Again, you do not own islam. Islam is a religion with many principles and it is natural for a philosopher like myself to ask questions about those principles, whether you like it or not. If you are so afraid of debating your religion, then you should question why you believe in it.


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Hitler was not an atheist. He was a christian.

Furthermore, those guys were communists before being atheists. Communism in of itself is like a religion that worships the state. They never killed for atheism or in the name of atheism.

People who post that picture or are in support of that picture clearly show their ignorance on world politics

AntiChristian:


I have no need to questions my religion! I'm still amazed at you atheist inciting people against their religion and stylishly wanting them to join atheism.
We don't need to think like you cos we pray not to end in hell. Keep threading your path and let's keep up ours!

And in the end we'll see!

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Hitler's mum was a Catholic while his dad wasn't religious! He can be called a Christian in his early life but he later criticised Christianity in his teenage years!

If they didn't kill for atheism can you calculate how many atheists each of them killed?

tintingz:
Zombiesm!

tintingz:

Hitler wasn't a Christian, they allied with the church and Muslims group to kill the Jews.

All those people in that picture killed for power and political reasons, there's no atheist revelation book that commands them to kill, they cannot justify their evil behaviors to Atheism. They see themselves as gods and cults group, that's not what Atheism is!

AntiChristian:


Yeah! Like your fams na!



Atheist worship their whims and desires! So an atheist whim and desire will be different from other atheist!

tintingz:
So where and when can we meet?

iamdannyfc:

Did you meet eachother as planned?

AntiChristian:


I have no need to questions my religion! I'm still amazed at you atheist inciting people against their religion and stylishly wanting them to join atheism.
We don't need to think like you cos we pray not to end in hell. Keep threading your path and let's keep up ours!

And in the end we'll see!
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Hitler's mum was a Catholic while his dad wasn't religious! He can be called a Christian in his early life but he later criticised Christianity in his teenage years!

If they didn't kill for atheism can you calculate how many atheists each of them killed?

GracieX3:


There are muslims that I joke with. My mission is not to convert anyone but to have a reasoned discussion.

I have lived in Europe and America where there are moderate muslims who respect non muslims- and I respect them back.

But fanatics like you that think you are better than non muslims (people who you see as pigs and deviants) can never get respect from me.

AntiChristian:


But i'm not a fanatic though!

tintingz:

Even the medieval Muslims that contributed to science were skeptics as they love the ancient Greeks works and they worked on it but at a point in history the Muslim community had problem with this ideology(as it conflicted their faith) and the era of the Muslim scientists ended.

tintingz:
If he intervene and people all sees it, why can't he do that today?

budaatum:

Sadly, most never heard of the Islamic Golden Age and think its all boko haram.

gensteejay:

Boko Haram, slavery, genocide, violence are a part of Islam. Anyone denying those facts is either delusional or ignorant.

tintingz:
Like Fela Kuti once said "Zombie O Zombie". People who follow follow without any doubt or questioning are called zombies, this zombiesm exist among Muslims.

Islam is base on faith and beliefs and you shouldn't question the belief, you must follow everything the religion said, this is similar to cultism, in fact religion is cultism.

Now the question is, should one be a skeptic or zombie?

Let's see

The great philosophers, physicists, scientists were skeptics, these people knowledge really have impacts on human civilization and knowledge, for there to be civilization and advancement in knowledge there has to be skepticism, questioning and doubts, these are the fundamental principles in science and philosophy.

Even the medieval Muslims that contributed to science were skeptics as they love the ancient Greeks works and they worked on it but at a point in history the Muslim community had problem with this ideology(as it conflicted their faith) and the era of the Muslim scientists ended, the Europeans took up this movement till date and they're far more developed today. Many modern research comes from the west, why? Because they're skeptics, they question things and do research on it.

I once argued with a Muslim(a pro zombiesm) who believes skepticism is bad and can even make one go psychotic(if I could remember), he claim being skeptic can make one insane. Well I won't say he was completely wrong, people may develop mental problems trying to figure out a problem due to overused of the brain, the brain is like an engine that needs a break too. It's well known in the medics not to over stress your brain. So does that mean we should throw away education, science, philosophy? Definitely not.
Developing a mental issue can be a family history/genetic or your life style and personality, it does not negate the benefits of being a skeptic which we can see it good results around us.

Study shows that religion is also linked to delusion, most religious people show symptoms of delusions.

So should we follow his "Zombiesm" ideology?

Let's see,

Assuming everyone follows his "zombiesm" ideology can there be any development in intelligence, knowledge, society etc? Definitely not, one will be contented with whatever he/she is indoctrinated with or taught.

For example, I told you unicorns cause the rain to fall and leprechauns makes the rainbow, I claim this is the truth, someone who doesn't question nor skeptical will just accept this as true and that's it, no doubts to propose a research, this is something he will believe and hold to even if you show him evidence.

This ideology above is very bad and shouldn't be encourage.

I watched a video today where a woman bought watermelon and it burst itself like explode(not the bomb explosion type). She then started praying and saying it's the work of her enemy. I was so curious on what could happen to the watermelon to explode itself, then I did a research and found out watermelon has "explosive gene" and another cause is the chemical used to fertilized the watermelon. I also discovered that this has happened to many people like farmers. Now if I'm with the ideology of not being skeptical, I would believe it's some kind of an enemy attack and be a superstitious zombie.

So in conclusion, the ideology of not questioning and doubting is a very bad ideology which should never be encouraged, in philosophy there's epistemology, ontology etc where it encourages questioning and being skeptical.

So should we follow skepticism or zombiesm, which ideology is good for human development?

usermane:

Developing scientifically is an entire mindset that is much broader than mere tendency to question everything.

usermane:


You have to be both. You can't be either skeptic or zombie. The real question is to what extent should zombieism and skepticism be exercised?

True, but it is more complicated than mere skepticism though. Just being skeptic of religion won't make a nation progress. Developing scientifically is an entire mindset that is much broader than mere tendency to question everything.

It seem his promotion of zombiesm is restricted to Islam. I don't think otherwise. A lot of Muslims only question and challenge ideas outside of Islam.

True in part, but is not religion per se, it is any individual fixation or obsession that cultivate delusion. So, even non-religious people suffer delusion. We all do.

OK. I already answered this question. I think everyone is both skeptic and zombie to varying extent depending on the subject. Zombiesm is also a necessary primer for skepticism.

What I want to now point out is the practical problem with this question. No one consciously choose not to be zombie. Most religious people will tell you they're not zombies and that they have questioned and verified their faith and scripture thoroughly to attain certainty. Your skepticism on a subject is a product of your nature and nuture.

Peace.

budaatum:

Perhaps because people can not 'see', in the sense that they lack the ability to understanding and to actually comprehend what they see.

I'm absolutely certain that if I tell you I have evidence "some God told me to take a knife and sacrifice my child to it" you'd call police on my stupid ass!

Kind of makes it a good thing God doesn't intervene today, I think.

tintingz:


What would happen if someone divide a sea today after praying to his god?

Or what would happen if the sun stand still for days?

Or what would happen if a flying chariot came down from the sky? And everyone sees it?

Aren't this strong evidences displayed to the people in these mythical books?

budaatum:

Split the sea, or stand still the sun, make everyone see a chariot come down from the sky first before asking what would happen, would be the more logical process of thought here before asking what would happen, tingz, don't you think? Its what I would think.

But anyway, let's say I read in a mythical book (or any book, and I must say Game of Thrones which I recently finished is a mythical series I enjoyed), that the sea was split and the sun stood still and a chariot came down from the sky, you call that "strong evidence displayed"? "Strong evidence displayed" for what exactly, that I am stupid and gullible and ignorant about "evidence" and blatantly refuse to use my eyes and my own mind to seek for proper blatant evidence?

If so, I 100% agree, because that is what would be evident to me if you call a mythical book with stories that the sea was split and the sun stood still and a chariot came down from the sky, "strong evidence displayed" before you. Just imagine if I did the same with GoT!

Please note that while I play along with your use of the word "mythical", it is not a word I use to define Scripture, but if it is mythical, it should be read mythically, and not literally, which is the error you seem to be pointing out some do make. I am glad you do not.

Do also note that another way to read such texts is mystically, as in in recognition that that which we read today was written in the past by those who did not have the access we have to cross references and what they wrote has gone through rewrites, translations, corruption, etc over the centuries such that it has become mystified, as in whatever might have originally been meant might have been miswritten, hidden away, lost or simply beyond the capacity to be understood by most.