OtemAtum:
That means it is good to kill people who work on the so called holy day too, isn't it?

Yes, I Say, Yes Again I Say, and for jara, I say, Yes Again!

Any One Who Does Not Obey The Law of His Maker, Is An Applicant, Applying for Wrath of his Maker to Be Visited Upon Him and whatever his Maker Commands Should Be Done To him, That Shall Be Done to him!

gensteejay:

You're merely making a fool of yourself by saying silly things.

Don't think everyone is foolish like you by choosing to worshipping a human or a deity. I don't worship any god/God and don't pray to anyone.

Read my signature and personal text and have some sense.

Nothing to quarel about, it is your natural right to do whatever you like, but we have seen that whatever a person does, a response in reply is not out of place.

And well Otem has clearly said that he would like to have some worshipers or at least worshipers of him, would be welcomed.

Hence, he has just launched and open a New Nairaland Religion called Otematumism or Otemism or Atumism

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, I Say, Yes Again I Say, and for jara, I say, Yes Again!

Any One Who Does Not Obey The Law of His Maker, Is An Applicant, Applying for Wrath of his Maker to Be Visited Upon Him and whatever his Maker Commands Should Be Done To him, That Shall Be Done to him!

I'm sure no one will try the trash you wrote up there and get away with it in this day and age.

Even little kids all around would know capital punishment for such a harmless action is senseless, let alone Yahweh, a so-called all-knowing god but with nothing really upstairs.

Anyone that acts based on the archaic and draconian laws of Jehovah in the Bible is a terrorist that deserves backlash and stiff punishment.

No wonder people keep becoming irreligious and atheistic these days having shattered the chains of mental slavery of religions, especialy violent ones like Christianity and Islam.

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, I Say, Yes Again I Say, and for jara, I say, Yes Again!

Any One Who Does Not Obey The Law of His Maker, Is An Applicant, Applying for Wrath of his Maker to Be Visited Upon Him and whatever his Maker Commands Should Be Done To him, That Shall Be Done to him!

That means Saturday would have been very bloody globally assuming humans didn't later become wiser that Jehovah. Lol

Dtruthspeaker:


Nothing to quarel about, it is your natural right to do whatever you like, but we have seen that whatever a person does, a response in reply is not out of place.

And well Otem has clearly said that he would like to have some worshipers or at least worshipers of him, would be welcomed.

Hence, he has just launched and open a New Nairaland Religion called Otematumism or Otemism or Atumism

You must resort to lies like your god, Jehovah, one of the chief liars on the planet.

Post proofs or links to any of your claims up there. If not, you must change your moniker to Dliespeaker because that's what you're.

gensteejay:

I'm sure no one will try the trash you wrote up there and get away with it in this day and age.

Even little kids all around would know capital punishment for such a harmless action is senseless, let alone Yahweh, a so-called all-knowing god but with nothing really upstairs.

Anyone that acts based on the archaic and draconian laws of Jehovah in the Bible is a terrorist that deserves backlash and stiff punishment.

No wonder people keep becoming irreligious and atheistic these days having shattered the chains of mental slavery of religions, especialy violent ones like Christianity and Islam.

Yep, lucky for them, the other children too were themselves Disobeying their Maker and because their Maker has Gone Deathly Silent, which they do not see, they have successfully taught every other child to be Disobedient as they are, which
has now, today, turned to the fact there are too few Obedient children who can carry out the Law and too many Disobedient children doing whatever they like, Now Therefore, it is Now Only Our Maker and Owner of this House Called the Earth, Who Can Come and Enforce His Own Laws!

Dtruthspeaker:


Yep, lucky for them, the other children too were themselves Disobeying their Maker and because their Maker has Gone Deathly Silent, which they do not see, they have successfully taught every other child to be Disobedient as they are, which
has now, today, turned to the fact there are too few Obedient children who can carry out the Law and too many Disobedient children doing whatever they like, Now Therefore, it is Now Only Our Maker Who Can Come and Enforce His Own Laws!

Is the trash above the proof of your claims above, Dliespeaker?

OtemAtum:

That means Saturday would have been very bloody globally assuming humans didn't later become wiser that Jehovah. Lol

One Particular Day, would have been very Bloody and every other soul who does not wish to die, would have seen reason to comply, till the next set of Disobedient children rise up and the Consequence Shall Be Repeated, yet again and again and again and again.

gensteejay:

Is the trash above the proof of your claims above, Dliespeaker?

Proof of what? And when did I make a Claim on anything?

And see, today it is you people who started the insult.

Dtruthspeaker:


One Particular Day, would have been very Bloody and every other soul who does not wish to die, would have seen reason to comply, till the next set of Disobedient children rise up and the Consequence Shall Be Repeated, yet again and again and again and again.

Lol

gensteejay:

You must resort to lies like your god, Jehovah, one of the chief liars on the planet.

Post proofs or links to any of your claims up there. If not, you must change your moniker to Dliespeaker because that's what you're.

When did I make a claim here?

Dtruthspeaker:


Nothing to quarel about, it is your natural right to do whatever you like, but we have seen that whatever a person does, a response in reply is not out of place.

And well Otem has clearly said that he would like to have some worshipers or at least worshipers of him, would be welcomed.

Hence, he has just launched and open a New Nairaland Religion called Otematumism or Otemism or Atumism

Dtruthspeaker:


Proof of what? And when did I make a Claim on anything?

Proofs of the highlighted claims above? Where did he tell you he wants a worshipper or seeks to create a new religion.

Post the proofs here.

Keep deceiving yourself.

Dtruthspeaker:

And see, today it is you people who started the insult.

When you say things without a proof, you deserve the insult.

Barring KJV & CHURCHES, my personal experience makes me believe in the Supreme Spirit and His Son, The Righteous and The Redeemer of Light, Goodness and Life.

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gensteejay:

When you say things without a proof, you deserve the insult.

Ah! Okay, take this one

"Yahweh And Allah Must Bow At The Mention Of My Name OTEM!!! by OtemAtum: 4:11pm On Oct 08, 2018
Yes, they must bow! I Otem, the destroyer of the philosophies of Yahweh and Allah have come with Authority to remove the deceptions of these evil gods from the face of the world."

Gensteejay here is More!

"The Authority Of Otem Over Yahweh And Allah by OtemAtum: 8:03pm On Oct 09, 2018
Dibnim 2:1-10


1. A million gods, both physical and spiritual may contend against me, I always will win.
2. They apply psychology and physical strength to defeat me, yet I kick them aside."

Dtruthspeaker:


Ah! Okay, take this one

"Yahweh And Allah Must Bow At The Mention Of My Name OTEM!!! by OtemAtum: 4:11pm On Oct 08, 2018
Yes, they must bow! I Otem, the destroyer of the philosophies of Yahweh and Allah have come with Authority to remove the deceptions of these evil gods from the face of the world."

And what does this have to do with gensteejay?

Dtruthspeaker:
Gensteejay here is More!

"The Authority Of Otem Over Yahweh And Allah by OtemAtum: 8:03pm On Oct 09, 2018
Dibnim 2:1-10


1. A million gods, both physical and spiritual may contend against me, I always will win.
2. They apply psychology and physical strength to defeat me, yet I kick them aside."

These are already posted publicly and he knows about them, so what's the point of posting them here?

Dtruthspeaker:


Ah! Okay, take this one

"Yahweh And Allah Must Bow At The Mention Of My Name OTEM!!! by OtemAtum: 4:11pm On Oct 08, 2018
Yes, they must bow! I Otem, the destroyer of the philosophies of Yahweh and Allah have come with Authority to remove the deceptions of these evil gods from the face of the world."

According to Otem, every being/entity with a soul is a god, just like all entities worshipped in religions are.

If you bow to your elders at home, are you worshipping them?

Otem says he's greater than your gods in religion. Only those gods can prove him wrong, and so far they've done nothing to do so.

For instance, Messi is one of the greatest players in human history. Based on Otemic philosophy, he's a god of football.

When his fellow footballers praise and bow to him, that doesn't mean they're worshipping him.

Only the foolish ones among them will worship a human like them. But Messi is a greater god than most of the other footballers, hence he's revered (not worshipped) by them.

Otem says he's greater than Allah, Jehovah and co. Only those beings can prove him wrong, not their worshippers.

FYI, the history book he's compiling is 100 times far greater than both the Bible and Qur'an combined.

That's a simple truth from someone that knows both the Bible and Qur'an very well.

No matter how great a book is, whether it's religious texts, historical books, scientific books, etc., it can only touch a handful of aspects in the universe (more like a drop of water in an ocean).

OtemAtum:
And what does this have to do with gensteejay?

He called me a liar and that I should bring the proofs that you are a god or some sort of god deserving to be worshipped, so I am bringing all of the relevant ones I can find.

"Who Exactly Am I? by OtemAtum: 6:04pm On Apr 09, 2019
Many christians have wondered what strength has been keeping me going for the past 2 years since I've discovered their god Yahweh to be one of the creatures of God Almighty and not God Almighty itself. Among them were Jesusjnr, Tatime, Primesky, Originalkalokalo, etc to mention but a few.
May I make it clear to the Christians that I am not sent to kill your god Yahweh, rather, I am sent to declare his imprisonment and make them know that Yahweh has no power over anyone on earth."

Dtruthspeaker:
Gensteejay here is More!

"The Authority Of Otem Over Yahweh And Allah by OtemAtum: 8:03pm On Oct 09, 2018
Dibnim 2:1-10


1. A million gods, both physical and spiritual may contend against me, I always will win.
2. They apply psychology and physical strength to defeat me, yet I kick them aside."

I know all these already.

I've interacted with Otem for around 3 years now and don't have any reason to believe he seeks to create a new religion.

You're merely repeating things I know already.

gensteejay:

According to Otem, every being/entity with a soul is a god, just like all entities worshipped in religions are.

If you bow to your elders at home, are you worshipping them?

Otem says he's greater than your gods in religion. Only those gods can prove him wrong, and so far they've done nothing to do so.

For instance, Messi is one of the greatest players in human history. Based on Otemic philosophy, he's a god of football.

When his fellow footballers praise and bow to him, that doesn't mean they're worshipping him.

Only the foolish ones among them will worship a human like them. But Messi is a greater god than most of the other footballers, hence he's revered (not worshipped) by them.

Otem says he's greater than Allah, Jehovah and co. Only those beings can prove him wrong, not their worshippers.

FYI, the history book he's compiling is 100 times far greater than both the Bible and Qur'an combined.

That's a simple truth from someone that knows both the Bible and Qur'an very well.

No matter how great a book is, whether it's religious texts, historical books, scientific books, etc., it can only touch a handfuk of aspects of the universe (more like a drop of water in an ocean).

See, you are a follower Otematumism, quoting Chapters of the books written by Otem.

I have no problem with you, for you are exercising your natural power and right and I do not query your decision to follow Otem, I do not care.

But I do care that you wickedly called me a liar even in the face of proof, but there is no one to judge us, so, I'll endure it and move on along.

But it is You and the people who you represent, who started with the insults and drew first blood without due provocation.

Dtruthspeaker:


He called me a liar and that I should bring the proofs that you are a god or some sort of god deserving to be worshipped, so I am bringing all of the relevant ones I can find.

Still waiting for the proofs because I've not seen any so far.

Dtruthspeaker:


See, you are a follower Otematumism, quoting Chapters of the books written by Otem.

I have no problem with you, for you are exercising your natural power and right and I do not query your decision to follow Otem, I do not care.

But I do care that you wickedly called me a liar even in the face of proof, but there is no one to judge us, so, I'll endure it and move on along.

But it is You and the people who you represent, who started with the insults and drew first blood without due provocation.

If you think you're making any sense here, you're not doing that in any way.

Just like I follow Otem on Nairaland, I also follow some atheists. That doesn't make me an atheist.

I follow a number of irreligious people on Nairaland. That doesn't mean I practise their particular philosophy.

I follow people on Nairaland with a working brain.

gensteejay:

I know all these already.

I've interacted with Otem for around 3 years now and don't have any reason to believe he seeks to create a new religion.

You're merely repeating things I know already.

Look up the various meanings of religion, one of them is to the effect "whatever you do consistently or with regularity or with a system, is a religion"

But I do not challenge any ones religion or irreligion (if it can be done), but I am entitled to fair reasonable Comment without Insults, if the circumstance allows it.

And that is what I have been doing here, I insulted no one, I ought not to be insulted, for I only excercised my right to fair and reasonable Comment on public forum, free of all insults and ridicule.

gensteejay:

If you think you're making any sense here, you're not doing that in any way.

Just like I follow Otem on Nairaland, I also follow some atheists. That doesn't make me an atheist.

I follow a number of irreligious people on Nairaland. That doesn't mean I practise their particular philosophy.

I follow people on Nairaland with a working brain.

I have no problem with who you choose to follow or not follow but if you climb up on the stage, I am entitled to comment about what I see whether accurately or not, but fair comment is always allowed.

Dtruthspeaker:


Look up the various meanings of religion, one of them is to the effect "whatever you do consistently or with regularity or with a system, is a religion"

But I do not challenge any ones religion or irreligion (if it can be done), but I am entitled to fair reasonable Comment without Insults, if the circumstance allows it.

And that is what I have been doing here, I insulted no one, I ought not to be insulted, for I only excercised my right to fair and reasonable Comment on public forum, free of all insults and ridicule.

When you make silly comments without a proof, be ready for insults.

Where did I quote chapters from the book?

Even if I did, that doesn't mean I worship or pray to anyone.

That's how some ignorant people around that don't understand Arabic will hastily conclude I'm a Muslim when I say "assalam alaykum" while greeting some elderly people on phone that know I used to practise Islam some years back.

Or some friends will hastily conclude I practise Buddhism simply because I meditate in a sitting posture the way Buddhists do, even though I've clearly told them I've no religion or fixed belief system.

Common elements in organized religions are worship of a deity or a god, praying to/or in the name of a being, adhering to some fixed rules, use of fear and threats.

In his posts on this forum and in various parts of his book, he's condemned all these with good reasons.

So, your claims are mere lies.

You also consider atheism a religion even though those common elements of a religion are not in it.

Another lives just lost because of religion. Killed for taking alcohol. Dtruthspeaker will be happy to hear this, same way he was happy that people were killed for working on Saturdays.

OtemAtum:
Another lives just lost because of religion. Killed for taking alcohol. Dtruthspeaker will be happy to hear this, same way he was happy that people were killed for working on Saturdays.

I am clear what things I am happy about and I will always declare those things I am happy with and I do not know the reason why a person should be killed and can be killed for drinking alcohol, so prima facie, I Clearly say, in the absence of a good and reasonable Reason, and neither am I able to find one, I Do Say that this is not good but evil.

And my own God Never commanded that this kind of shit should be done.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am clear what things I am happy about and I will always declare those things I am happy with and I do not know the reason why a person should be killed and can be killed for drinking alcohol, so prima facie, I Clearly say, in the absence of a good and reasonable Reason, and neither am I able to find one, I Do Say that this is not good but evil.

And my own God Never commanded this should be done.

Let's see which is worse between what your own god commands and what the muslim god command

1. Your god commanded that you should bring your stubborn son to the public to be stoned to death.
2. You should kill people who work on Saturdays.
3. They should kill all animals and human beings, including the children of other lands who didn't worship your god.
4. Commanded that Elijah should kill priests who worship other gods.
5. Kill people tagged witches and wizards.
6. Kill a woman who commits adultery.

And the long list continues...

Now compare with these killing for alcohol and tell me what difference you see.

These are the main reasons why religion is worse and it should be done away with.

OtemAtum:


Let's see which is worse between what your own god commands and what the muslim god command

1. Your god commanded that you should bring your stubborn son to the public to be stoned to death.
2. You should kill people who work on Saturdays.
3. They should kill all animals and human beings, including the children of other lands who didn't worship your god.
4. Commanded that Elijah should kill priests who worship other gods.
5. Kill people tagged witches and wizards.
6. Kill a woman who commits adultery.

And the long list continues...

Now compare with these killing for alcohol and tell me what difference you see.

These are the main reasons why religion is worse and it should be done away with.

The Difference is Very Very Wide!

1). Stubborn, very stubborn children are always unruly, badly and wickedly behaved and there is no soul on earth who in Truth, does not wish them away from the kingdom of the living.

And if they can not live among the living, then they should live with the dead, maybe the dead would be happy to receive them and they can all continue there together in "that happiness".

Whilst the living continue in their own living happiness. Equation balance 1-1.

2) I have already addressed No 2 up in my response to you, so I skip to 3.

3) Did You not hear that our father, Abraham and his house was Cleansed and made Holy? And that it was our God's Plan to make the whole earth Holy and Good, as He Had first made it? So, if our house is Holy, how then shall we then Tolerate Any Speck of Unholiness?

No we shall not, and just like A Little Spit of Corona Virus, destroys the whole body, and no one would even allow the shadow of a Corona Virus Patient to even pass near their person, not to talk about their children, animals or land, so also is an unholy nation including all their possessions, lands, animals, everything is infested with their unholiness and they Must All Be Burnt like everything a Dead Corona Virus Patient has touched!

Same answer for Nos 4 and 5.

6) I do not even need to talk too much, Romance Section has done the talking for me. See how the Cheated, Verily Wants to Kill the Cheat and her or his partner or is it the news where couples have killed the ones they have caught, including themselves, the Lastma man case still they drip blood!

There is Always Always a Good Reason and Explanation For All of My God's Laws and every soul, Truly would have been happy if His Laws have been implemented.

Foolish Stubborn children would not exist as to make other foolish children to become clearly foolish. Therefore even foolish children could have lived foolishly without dying for their foolishness!

Every Holy Day we supposed to dey laugh, dance and Jam tire!

3, 4, and 5, No Disease and death in the land because Holiness and Long Good Life go Plenty!

6) Nobody go dey near our Babes and Bobos, our wives and our husbands and even our daughters go dey marry well well!

But una don spoil the Party Finish, so nothing for una!

I Rest here!

I don go sleep, till we meet again!

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The Difference is Very Very Wide!

1). Stubborn, very stubborn children are always unruly, badly and wickedly behaved and there is no soul on earth who in Truth, does not wish them away from the kingdom of the living.

And if they can not live among the living, then they should live with the dead, maybe the dead would be happy to receive them and they can all continue there together in "that happiness".

Whilst the living continue in their own living happiness. Equation balance 1-1.

2) I have already addressed No 2 up in my response to you, so I skip to 3.

3) Did You not hear that our father, Abraham and his house was Cleansed and made Holy? And that it was our God's Plan to make the whole earth Holy and Good, as He Had first made it? So, if our house is Holy, how then shall we then Tolerate Any Speck of Unholiness?

No we shall not, and just like A Little Spit of Corona Virus, destroys the whole body, and no one would even allow the shadow of a Corona Virus Patient to even pass near their person, not to talk about their children, animals or land, so also is an unholy nation including all their possessions, lands, animals, everything is infested with their unholiness and they Must All Be Burnt like everything a Dead Corona Virus Patient has touched!

Same answer for Nos 4 and 5.

6) I do not even need to talk too much, Romance Section has done the talking for me. See how the Cheated, Verily Wants to Kill the Cheat and her or his partner or is it the news where couples have killed the ones they have caught, including themselves, the Lastma man case still they drip blood!

There is Always Always a Good Reason and Explanation For All of My God's Laws and every soul, Truly would have been happy if His Laws have been implemented.

Foolish Stubborn children would not exist as to make other foolish children to become clearly foolish. Therefore even foolish children could have lived foolishly without dying for their foolishness!

Every Holy Day we supposed to dey laugh, dance and Jam tire!

3, 4, and 5, No Disease and death in the land because Holiness and Long Good Life go Plenty!

6) Nobody go dey near our Babes and Bobos, our wives and our husbands and even our daughters go dey marry well well!

But una don spoil the Party Finish, so nothing for una!

I Rest here!

I don go sleep, till we meet again!

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1. Lol, as if you can offer your very stubborn son to be killed even if he broke your laptop twice in a week.
2. Today is Saturday, how many people working will you kill?
3. You didn't answer the question. Most of the Indians don't worship your god, is it right to go and kill them and their animals?