sotall:
Believing without the use of the senses is one of the attributes that drove me from christianity. For it doesn't make sense to use my senses to live rightly but christianity demands I shut my senses including my brain and thinking faculty which I find ridiculous.

As for discussing christianity and the bible, it's the only religion I have practiced and have good knowledge on. So that's why I always cite my examples from there when discussing religion.

As for moving on, it ain't an easy move to do. For something I have been involved in since childhood and even till my twenties, its gonna take more than a lifetime to cleanse myself from its indoctrination. I am making progress

sotall:

Believing without the use of the senses is one of the attributes that drove me from christianity. For it doesn't make sense to use my senses to live rightly but christianity demands I shut my senses including my brain and thinking faculty which I find ridiculous.

sotall:
As for discussing christianity and the bible, it's the only religion I have practiced and have good knowledge on. So that's why I always cite my examples from there when discussing religion.

sotall:
As for moving on, it ain't an easy move to do. For something I have been involved in since childhood and even till my twenties, its gonna take more than a lifetime to cleanse myself from its indoctrination. I am making progress.

sotall:


Pls let's not derail this thread with discussing "the use of senses to scrutinize religion/christianity "

For no religion will survive that

sotall:


Pls let's not derail this thread with discussing "the use of senses to scrutinize religion/christianity "

For no religion will survive that

sotall:


If you can open a thread and explain how the human senses can be used to verify any religion you know, I will gladly follow it. Its something of utmost interest to me

sotall:


If you can open a thread and explain how the human senses can be used to verify any religion you know, I will gladly follow it. Its something of utmost interest to me

sotall:
I believe you understand what is mean by reading and drawing inference from reading.
You posited earlier that they lacked courage and I agreed with you.
But then why did they lack courage?

First they were instructed not to go up the mountain if not they will die. Who gave the instruction? Of course God.

budaatum:

Not true sotall. Please return to responses you got to questions intelligently asked here and let me know if the truth is not that you read it in a human written book that God gave the instruction and you believe it.

If you use your senses, as suggested, you might arrive at a different opinion and understanding.

Dtruthspeaker:


Error

budaatum:

Elaborate.

sotall:


If you can open a thread and explain how the human senses can be used to verify any religion you know, I will gladly follow it. Its something of utmost interest to me

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, you have taken care of the physical ones that you have seen like everyone else is doing, but now, it is Reported that This Dangerous Person Can not be seen, would you be concerned about a danger which you can not see?

MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁸“Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are as red as crimson, they will become like wool.
¹⁹If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best of the land"
- Isaiah 1:18-19

"Getting wisdom is the wisest thing you can do!
And whatever else you do, develop good judgment."
- Proverbs 4:7

"Wisdom is a shelter as money is a shelter, but the advantage of knowledge is this:
Wisdom preserves those who have it"
- Ecclesiastes 7:12

Christianity, sure will prefer, you leave your brains at home when you participate in its organised set ups, but the bible will always invite you to come and reason (i.e. Isaiah 1:18a)

Proverbs 4:7 articulates it, as much as, Ecclesiastes 7:12 above does, if not better.

Dtruthspeaker:


That is what I was doing to Sonny until he did not want to participate anymore.

sonmvayina:
If sins where forgiven at the time of Isaiah, what is the purpose of Jesus?..

sonmvayina:
That is my purpose for this thread..
If, we truly have the knowledge of God as we claim, then it is so glaring that Jesus is useless in the whole equation

sonmvayina:
An Idol at worst that God never planed or ordered..

sotall:


If you can open a thread and explain how the human senses can be used to verify any religion you know, I will gladly follow it. Its something of utmost interest to me

Kobojunkie:
i gave you answer earlier, remember? It is just that simple

sotall:


Which answer sir?

Kobojunkie:
You take what is written, follow the recipe/commandments, and test the results by comparing actual with expected.
That is a good way to arrive at a knowing, don't you think?

sotall:
after that answer i gave you a reply. I posted that such instructions should be simple and not involve manipulating the verifier.

That's where I cited the Moses/children of Israel example.

If we could have such arrangement at this time where God tells those seeking him to come to a particular location that he will show himself, many curious minds like myself will be there.

But at the moment, the best religious books like the bible offers is salvation through Jesus and the rest of the heaven and hell fables.

MuttleyLaff:
Show any other book that comes within a mile of the Bible, in terms, of salvation, problem targeting, problem solving, clarity of purpose, freedom/freewill exercising, process(es)/procedure(s) et cetera

sotall:
after that answer i gave you a reply. I posted that such instructions should be simple and not involve manipulating the verifier.

That's where I cited the Moses/children of Israel example.

sotall:

If we could have such arrangement at this time where God tells those seeking him to come to a particular location that he will show himself, many curious minds like myself will be there.

sotall:

But at the moment, the best religious books like the bible offers is salvation through Jesus and the rest of the heaven and hell fables.

sotall:
At best the the bible (new testament) tells you to shut your brain and follow Jesus like a zombie.

Do what you are told. Do not question what you are told.

sotall:
Believe what you are told even if it goes against sound reasoning. So everything you mentioned there are at best promises in the bible.

sotall:
As for showing other books that answers life questions perfectly, I haven't seen any but I dont wanna settle for mediocrity or ambiguous answers.

Kobojunkie:

The instructions should be simple? Considering you are trying here to access information that exists in a dimension that we do not exist in, don't have any other way of accessing, how much simpler do you expect for it to be?

I am not certain of what you mean when you specify that it ought not to involve manipulating the verifier.

You mean something like build a ship and meet me at the edge of the milky way?

Jesus Christ is the set of commands/ instructions He has provided for you to follow to Find Him. You could always tell Him that you want to break the contract once you have obtained the proof you desire.

sotall:

Yea , it should be very simple like ABC.
I am trying to seek a God that supposedly created me and put me here on earth so I can believe in him and worship him.
Appearing in my apartment or at a corner in my street and getting my attention shouldn't be difficult for God.

sotall:

When the bible tells you to shut your brain and follow Jesus's message like a zombie, that's simply manipulative. For my reasoning faculty is required to question my observation when following the instructions from the bible.

sotall:

For example a preacher was preaching salvation to me and told me Jesus came to die for me because the devil caused Adam and Eve to sin.

Then I asked him, why didn't God simply kill the devil instead of sending him down to earth to meet man?

Why not kill the devil instead asking Jesus to come die for my sins?

I asked so many questions and that was the last day I saw him

sotall:
Yea , it should be very simple like ABC.
I am trying to seek a God that supposedly created me and put me here on earth so I can believe in him and worship him.
Appearing in my apartment or at a corner in my street and getting my attention shouldn't be difficult for God.

When the bible tells you to shut your brain and follow Jesus's message like a zombie, that's simply manipulative. For my reasoning faculty is required to question my observation when following the instructions from the bible.

For example a preacher was preaching salvation to me and told me Jesus came to die for me because the devil caused Adam and Eve to sin.

Then I asked him, why didn't God simply kill the devil instead of sending him down to earth to meet man?

Why not kill the devil instead asking Jesus to come die for my sins?

I asked so many questions and that was the last day I saw him

orisa37:
The Totality of God was given ADAM and EVE at Creation.

When God created Adam and Eve, they saw(Wisdom), knew(Knowledge) and understand God. Creation gives Knowledge of the CREATOR.

When God built a Garden, equipped with a variety of Plantation, Rivers of good flowing Water and assorted Animals for eating and for games, God gave Adam and Eve CAUSE to Believe Him. The Riches and Wealth we have and those that surround us are SUFFICIENT Reasons for our FAITH TO BELIEVE GOD.

IN OTHER WORDS, KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IS THE GOODNESS OF GOD IN US. THE RICHES AND WEALTH WE HAVE ARE THE CAUSE OF OUR FAITH TO BELIEVE GOD.

HAPPY SUNDAY. From Orunto27.

MuttleyLaff:
Show any other book that comes within a mile of the Bible, in terms, of salvation, problem targeting, problem solving, clarity of purpose, freedom/freewill exercising, process(es)/procedure(s) et cetera