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Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by budaatum: 1:25am On Jul 12, 2020 |
sotall:This is untrue, sotall. In that same book where you read about Jesus you read how he did not shut his brain and refused to be a zombie to the book of his day, which was in fact why he was crucified. 2 Likes |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 3:45am On Jul 12, 2020 |
sonmvayina: When you learnt that you could die by various means and ways, did you Truthfully restrict it to physical things alone, especially being a kid born in Nigeria? |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by kkins25(m): 3:58am On Jul 12, 2020 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=91621885]Forgiveness, doesnt mean a price has been paid. The purpose is to reconciliation I laugh in Aramaic at you saying that Jesus is useless in the whole equation. It betrays a glaring lack of understanding correctly the whole essence of why God had to come to earth, why it was necessary that its Him who had to come, why God had to die, why et ceterakindly provide evidence. That God came as jesus. [s]Jesus Christ is not an idol. Jesus Christ, is God incarnate. I am sure, you're intelligent enough to understand what that means and/or implies[/s]evidence |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 4:29am On Jul 12, 2020 |
kkins25:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] Provide evidence of particularly what? |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 6:24am On Jul 12, 2020 |
budaatum: I don't think so.. Your problem is you are still yet to figure out what God is and is not... |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 6:27am On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: There is just no where in the entire old testament where the plan was hatched.. No where, Why should a god die? |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 6:37am On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Where did you get that idea from?.. Old testament quotes please.. |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 7:59am On Jul 12, 2020 |
sonmvayina:"The life of every living thing is in the blood, and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins. Blood, which is life, takes away sins." - Leviticus 17:11 The shedding of animal blood only provides forgiveness. It doesnt reconcile or redeem souls back to God. The blood of animals was only capable of facilitating forgiveness. It didnt reconcile man, back to God. It is the shedded blood of Jesus that reconciled man back to God. Jesus' purpose on earth was to be the Lamb of God taken to slaughter for the sin of the world. Redemption, reconciliation and/or the restoration of friendly relations with God, came through the shedded blood of Jesus. |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by budaatum: 9:18am On Jul 12, 2020 |
sonmvayina:What is God, Sonm? |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by orunto27: 9:27am On Jul 12, 2020 |
budaatum:. Two naked people standing before Who created them. They saw Him and before eating the forbidden Fruit, KNEW HIM. The Knowledge after eating the FRUIT was THE PROS AND CONS OF KNOWLEDGE AND OF CREATION ASIDE THE CREATOR. THEY RECEIVED THE GARDEN AND ITS CONTENTS OF GOODIES AND STARTED ENJOYING THEM. SINCE THEY WERE NOT CREATED THIEVES OF BAGDAD, THEY SHOULD BELIEVE IN HIM WHO GAVE THEM. THAT IS FAITH. AS KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF HAPPENED CONTEMPORANEOUSLY, THEY BECAME TWO SPIRITS OF THE SUPREME SPIRIT GIVEN FREELY TO ADAM & EVE AT CREATION. |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 10:01am On Jul 12, 2020 |
budaatum:I asked what book that comes within a mile of the Bible, in terms, of salvation, problem targeting, problem solving, clarity of purpose, freedom/freewill exercising, process(es)/procedure(s) et cetera and you palm forward Books of Plato and Aristotle despite their factual errors, The Quran, The Dhammapada, and Nelkon - my secondary school textbook on Physics, and have the cheek to add "[i]to name a few[/I]" I am please you admit Books of Plato and Aristotle have factual errors, but how the Quran, escaped your notice of qualifying to having its own fair share of factual errors, as well, is baffling. Even the Quran’s teachings regarding salvation are inconsistent The Dhammapada and Nelkon - your secondary school textbook on Physics has nothing on salvation, nothing on sin problem targeting, nothing on sin problem solving. |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 10:24am On Jul 12, 2020 |
sonmvayina: budaatum: sonmvayina: sonmvayina: sonmvayina: budaatum meet sonmvayina's "What is God?" contradicting himself responses |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by orisa37: 10:36am On Jul 12, 2020 |
budaatum: THANKS Budaatum. THE CONSCIENCE, THAT'S THE BREATH OF GOD GIVEN AT CREATION WAS 1 THE LIGHT AND DARKNESS 2, THE GOOD AND EVIL 3,. THE LIFE AND DEATH 4,. THE FAITH(BELIEF) AND FORGET (DISBELIEF) 5,. THE HOPE (TRUST) AND ABANDON (DISTRUST) 6,. PEACE AND WORRY 7,. LOVE AND HATE OF THE SUPREME SPIRIT IN ALL HIS CREATURES. 8,. THE CONSCIENCE IS ALSO THE ART, SCIENCE AND PNEUMATOLOGY OF INSTRUCTIONS AND WISDOM AND FOOLISHNESS; DIRECTION AND KNOWLEDGE AND STUPIDITY; DISCERNMENT AND UNDERSTANDING AND IGNORANCE. 9,. ALL OF THE ABOVE WERE GIVEN ADAM & EVE BEFORE THEY DISOBEDIENTLY ATE THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. AND SO 10,. THE NECESSITY FOR THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WAS OVER INDULGENCE OF THE HIGH LEVEL CRIMINALS AT THE GARDEN OF EDEN. From Orunto27. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 11:22am On Jul 12, 2020 |
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Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 11:23am On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Where did you get this from?.. When did God start accepting human sacrifice?. He called it an abomination |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 11:24am On Jul 12, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: How do spiritual things harm? |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 11:28am On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: OK, let us for the purpose of argument assume that the blood of Jesus was necessary.. So it means everybody irrespective of actions will all go to heaven.. Is it..? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 11:48am On Jul 12, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Where did I get what from? sonmvayina:"Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but my ears You have opened. Burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not require" - Psalm 40:6 1The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. 2If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared. 3But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year. 4For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5That is why, when Christa came into the world, he said to God, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings. But you have given me a body to offer. 6You were not pleased with burnt offerings or other offerings for sin. 7Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God— as is written about me in the Scriptures.’” 8First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses). 9Then he said, “Look, I have come to do your will.” He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect. 10For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time. - Hebrews 10:1-10 Except for father Abraham, God has never required a human sacrifice from any other ordinary human being. The sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, was carried out through Him legally sentenced to die on the cross at Calvary and like a sheep being led to the slaughter or a lamb that is silent before her shearers, He did not open His mouth to protest His innocence (i.e. Isaiah 53:7 and Acts 8:32) sonmvayina:Yup, God called the Molech practice, the burning of children in the fire to Baal, the shedding of innocent blood, the blood of Israelites' sons and daughters, the sacrificing of them to the idols of Canaan et cetera disgusting to Him |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by kumulus(m): 11:49am On Jul 12, 2020 |
You can't accept(believe) what you don't know. Hence, 'knowledge' births belief. -Lloyd 2 Likes |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 11:52am On Jul 12, 2020 |
sonmvayina:You at one time or the other, will have to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. You will have to at one time or the other acknowledge that Jesus is God and that you believe in Him. If you tick the boxes, you, at the very least, get a free pass to the kingdom of Heaven |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 12:35pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Lol.. So it also comes with conditions.. Meaning it did not work or it is a failure.. Get sense, is God a man or a human being?.. Number 23:19... |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 2:25pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: read this and tell me what you think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 3:03pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
sonmvayina:You do know that Jesus was at loggerheads with four major establishments, hmm, namely, marketeers, teachers/scribes, lawyers and Pharisees/Sadducees, hmm? The fourth, in that group, as returning exiles, imported Judaism to the Southern kingdom of Judah. There was no love lost between then and Jesus |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by budaatum: 8:35pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Do you really need to introduce me to someone I'm already having a conversation with? |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by budaatum: 8:37pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:I'll listen to you when you've read the books mentioned. As for factual errors in the Quran, errors exist in the Bible too as no book is perfect on these things. 2 Likes |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by budaatum: 8:38pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
This is a belief, orunto27. It is not based of facts. orunto27: |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 9:30pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
budaatum: Lol.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by budaatum: 9:33pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
kumulus:That's not quite true. If you consider your own experience you'd find you've at times believed things you know but later found not to be knowledge. An example is the one time belief that the earth was flat which was later found to be based on ignorance. Essentially, we believe precisely because we do not know the truth. Some of the things believed are pure ignorance. 1 Like |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 10:11pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
budaatum:Please desist from being specious because as a matter of fact, I not only have all these books in my e-library but I actually have, at one time or the other, read each and/or all the books budaatum:You might find errors in Bible translations, but no, there are no factual errors in or with the original Aramaic and Greek texts 1 Like |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by sonmvayina(m): 10:17pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Continue lying.. If it makes you sleep at night.. No wahala 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by budaatum: 10:19pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:I'm certain you say this because you read the Bible in "the original Aramaic and Greek texts". Or is that not so? MuttleyLaff:I think you lie just like you lied about Jung on your shelve. 1 Like |
Re: Believe In God Vs Knowledge Of God by MuttleyLaff: 10:20pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
kumulus: budaatum:The one time belief that the earth was flat was based on an opinion and not a fact Opinions, changes, but facts don't change. Opinions don't affect facts. But facts, do affect opinions, and make opinions change. The problem is, too many people don't know the difference between what's fact and what's opinion. Opinions change, facts don't because facts are based on reality. The one time belief, that the earth was flat, was based on a fantasy/speculation (i.e. an opinion) and not reality (i.e. a fact) |
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