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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by RussellRutherfo: 10:24pm On Jul 15, 2020
Maximus69:


Intellectual stick to topic of discussion, it doesn't make any sense when right thinking persons are discussing about something serious and the next is you bringing another issue entirely! cheesy

The OP knows very well that pedophilia has been reported throughout all races of people so it's pointless attaching it to any particular religious group, since the Bible says we're all sinners and Jesus came to redeem us. So what matters now is how Jesus is gathering sinners for cleansing, not how to look for perfect people!

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is working hard to help sinners (not perfect individuals) to
regain God's favour! smiley

The definition of the word "Intellectual" must mean something different in the lexicon of the WT Society.

It must mean abuse the hell out of the Trinitarians but once the several atrocities of the JW organization is exposed then one must stick only to the manipulated&intended JW only approved "discussion of attacking Trinity".

Interesting!!

The organization prides itself as the only untainted and true religion unlike the JW code word for abusing the Christians "Christendom" of whom their bodies will be pilled up&burnt on the streets during Armageddon.
This same organization that prides itself as the only "faithful" representative of Jehovah and makes a publicational career of mocking Christian Clergy. You can see this on their publications whereby the Christian Clergy are painted as evil&always in chaotic pictures.

Surprisingly, the "faithful" and only "true" organization is now involved in pedophilia. Something Jesus never did and you want us to ignore all that and discuss just reparroted understanding of Trinity before tagging us as "intellectuals".

Lol! I don't want your JW branded "intellectual" tag.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by RussellRutherfo: 10:30pm On Jul 15, 2020
DappaD:

Shey na your apostate fathers dey sub for you make you come NL dey talk rubbish abi cheesy

Na your Elder Papa wey abuse some Kingdom Hall Children dey sub for me with "Donations" you make at the Kingdom Hall.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:11pm On Jul 15, 2020
RussellRutherfo:


Watchtower&Bible Crap Society Circus � devotee.

You screenshot something that you claim is the source of the 50,000 abuses by JWs but cunningly gave us no link. Clown Exposer, where is the link of the purported source you discovered?!

I am very sure you saw several links on this JW cancer but you purposely ignored them all and screenshot something no one knows where you got them from. grin

Now, do you want me to help you with this delusionary "exposure" by you? We will even provide you videos of several Ex-JWs as regards this Child abuse cases and how the Society covers up many of these cases while these abused kids suffer emotional damage.




Everything RussellRutherfo needs to verify the source of my screenshot is right there, please don't DISGRACE yourself..
Janosky won't spoon-feed you..

You no get any PROOF for your FRAUD that 50,000 under age kids where abused in the kingdom Hall
grin angry angry

RussellRutherfo cook up that LIE grin

Why is RussellRutherfo perpetually blind to the perennial news headlines of children molested by your gods of men and pastorpreneurs?
Bros,charity begins at home grin

Go and provide succour for the abused kids and adolescents (the screenshots speaks for itself) whose lives have been torn up side down by your pastorpreneurs and gods of men before you can claim a higher moral ground grin

Go and clean up the gut wrenching Stench of the dastardly act in your so-called body of Christ Benin franchise center before you can see the spec in JWs grin grin

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:34pm On Jul 15, 2020
GRIMMJOE:

I'm not an Atheist anyway.

But I understand it, ask me any question and I'm willing to educated you on what Atheism mean.

1st moniker: GRIMMJOE
2nd moniker: HYPOCRITE
3rd moniker: LIAR.

Can a Leopard change its spots? grin grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:45pm On Jul 15, 2020
Janosky:


Johnw FRAUD Dimwitted HYPOCRITE , rape and child abuse no dey your so-called "body of Christ"?

I challenge Johnw FRAUD to show PROOF you ever publicly CONDEMNED that dastardly act in one of your numerous Pastorpreneurs business centres in Benin city..



The outrage generated by that gruesome act is still reverberating everywhere..

WAYO Johnw HYPOCRITE , you can relate to these screenshots of the atrocities committed among your business franchise membership

angry grin
lying pharisee FRAUD jw janosky

your sects atrocities and all your lies as well
shows that the devil is your god and father, your big mouth also shows it:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you big dimwit DULLARD aren't you oh know nothing

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:47pm On Jul 15, 2020
achorladey:


Achorladey: You are coming to terms gradually. The reality before you is paedophiles abounds in your midst. Maybe you don't understand the word abound here it is......

abounds..........exist in large numbers or amounts........thrive........flourish.......


Fallacy of GENERALIZATION ko argumentatum ad bacculum na him you go see. Did you see us say all JWS are PAEDOPHILES? Another diversion strategy grin

Achorladey Snake man grin grin
Very Cunning and deceptive..
The guy is a Pro grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:56pm On Jul 15, 2020
FRAUD jw janosky

jw's child abuse: [url=https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=-EwOX5fdGbyf4-EP9qu8-AY&q=jehovah%27s+witnesses+child+abuse&oq=jehovah%27s+witnesses+child+abuse&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoFCAAQsQM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgIIADoECAAQCjoGCAAQFhAeUII6WKCuAWCL1wFoAHAAeACAAeYIiAHtzgGSAQY2LTMwLjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiXueav_83qAhW8zzgGHfYVD28Q4dUDCAk&uact=5]here[/url]

and: here

and: here


and much more on false jw's: here
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:06am On Jul 16, 2020
johnw47:

lying pharisee FRAUD jw janosky

your sects atrosities and all your lies as well
shows that the devil is your god and father, your big mouth also shows it:



The atrocious monstrosities of your fellow con men and gods of men in front page banner headlines (screenshots) are LIEs to a Dimwitted FRAUD Man.

Oturugbeke !!!!!!!
Abi Johnw FRAUD is a predator?

Johnw FRAUD, You no well at all ; shocked

You have no atom of sympathy for abused kids and adolescents in your so-called body of Christ angry

Na public forum you dey Ooooo !
Ikegwuru !!!!!!

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:07am On Jul 16, 2020
Rozz:
The way you always mentioned some part of my body is worrisome,i guess it has caused you unrest,dont worry you won't be seeing any again.If not that you're a fake wealthy pastor,i would have sent you a personal mail lol.night crawler

oh so very duh lie lie rozz

your god and the god of false jw accept lying as your natural way of talking
but the God of the Bible doesn't:

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:18am On Jul 16, 2020
achorladey:


You see yourself now hanging to law and who I have reported. That not what the discussion was about. You hear. No room for DIVERSION. Don't forget you started with your BIGOTRY and LIAR tags now you want information from BIGOTS and LIARS grin grin grin


grin grin grin that has not remove the fact that paedophiles are found in your midst.

Atheists are saints made up of rapists, child molesters and predators... Even for una Atheists gathering grin
No wonder, Rape is Atheists moral obligation.

TUEH !!!!!!!!!!

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:23am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


Johnw FRAUD Dimwitted HYPOCRITE , rape and child abuse no dey your so-called "body of Christ"?

lying pharisee FRAUD jw janosky

truly there is no rape and child abuse in my-the body of Christ
you very much deceived

Janosky:
I challenge Johnw FRAUD to show PROOF you ever publicly CONDEMNED that dastardly act in one of your numerous Pastorpreneurs business centres in Benin city..

truly dimwit DULLARD, i don't have any numerous Pastorpreneurs business centres in Benin city

Janosky:
The outrage generated by that gruesome act is still reverberating everywhere..

WAYO Johnw HYPOCRITE , you can relate to these screenshots of the atrocities committed among your business franchise membership

angry grin

truly know nothing false accuser, i don't have any business franchise membership


you false jw's just spew lies as your natural talk, like your father the devil does:

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:26am On Jul 16, 2020
johnw47:



lying pharisee FRAUD jw janosky

truly there is no rape and child abuse in my-the body of Christ
you very much deceived



truly dimwit DULLARD, i don't have any numerous Pastorpreneurs business centres in Benin city



truly know nothing false accuser, i don't have any business franchise membership


you false jw's just spew lies as your natural talk, like your father the devil does:

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

True true Johnw FRAUD no well grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:29am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


The atrocious monstrosities of your fellow con men and gods of men in front page banner headlines (screenshots) are LIEs to a Dimwitted FRAUD Man.

Oturugbeke !!!!!!!
Abi Johnw FRAUD is a predator?

Johnw FRAUD, You no well at all ; shocked

You have no atom of sympathy for abused kids and adolescents in your so-called body of Christ angry

Na public forum you dey Ooooo !
Ikegwuru !!!!!!



tormented cannot stop lying FRAUD jw janosky

truly i don't have fellow con men
you just falsely accusing and making up lies all over the place
like your daddy does:

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:32am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


True true Johnw FRAUD no well grin

tormented FRAUD jw janosky

you running out of lies, na impossible

only two there

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by WizzyVine: 12:36am On Jul 16, 2020
Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

I don't know what the JWs believe about Trinity but we all know that God revealed Himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God manifesting Himself in different forms to serve specific purposes.

In a literal example. I am a father, so there are those who call me 'Daddy'. I am also a son, and there are those who call me 'son'. I am also a brother, there are those who call me 'brother'. I'm a father to my children, a son to my parents and a brother to my siblings.

I am daddy, son and brother, but I'm not three persons. I am the same person with three different manifestations. That's the doctrine of Trinity. God is God as the Creator of the universe, He is Son as the Saviour of the believer, and He is Holy Spirit as the Helper of our faith.

However, we do not need to fret ourselves on doctrinal differences. Everyone interprets the scripture according to his understanding. Believing or not believing in the doctrine of Trinity does not make you a candidate of hell or heaven. The Christian world is United only on one injunction "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and ye shall be saved." This is enough for us. Every other Revelation anyone has, let him share, but we are not divided. We all believe in Jesus. We believe we are saved by Him. That's what matters. That's what makes us one body. Everything else is irrelevant.

We will understand things better someday, when we get beyond the blues. Jesus reigns.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 12:46am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


1st moniker: GRIMMJOE
2nd moniker: HYPOCRITE
3rd moniker: LIAR.

Can a Leopard change its spots? grin grin
I don't believe in god, but if you say your god exist, bring your religion lets it put under pressure and see if it cracks.

The day God exist is the day my perspective changes.

And if you think I'm still an Atheist, then you're also an Atheist for not believing in the gods of other religion.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 12:48am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


Atheists are saints made up of rapists, child molesters and predators... Even for una Atheists gathering grin
No wonder, Rape is Atheists moral obligation.

TUEH !!!!!!!!!!
But you're also an Atheist, has anybody accused you for the crime of a Muslim.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:49am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


Johnw FRAUD Dimwitted HYPOCRITE , rape and child abuse no dey your so-called "body of Christ"?

I challenge Johnw FRAUD to show PROOF you ever publicly CONDEMNED that dastardly act in one of your numerous Pastorpreneurs business centres in Benin city..



The outrage generated by that gruesome act is still reverberating everywhere..

WAYO Johnw HYPOCRITE , you can relate to these screenshots of the atrocities committed among your business franchise membership

angry grin

lying pharisee FRAUD jw janosky

if there is rape and child abuse in those places then they are as lost as you false jw's are
you mention the evil of other places as if it makes the evils of you false jw okay
truly you are of your father the devil, and when you speak lies
you are just speaking your natural talk, like he does:


Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 1:06am On Jul 16, 2020
Rozz:
The way you always mentioned some part of my body is worrisome,i guess it has caused you unrest,dont worry you won't be seeing any again.If not that you're a fake wealthy pastor,i would have sent you a personal mail lol.night crawler

Rozz:
which people have you been trashing mtcheww


lie lie rozz

you obviously come in and post just to show how stupid you are, laugh

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 1:09am On Jul 16, 2020
Rozz:
When you are exhausted come and embrace the lord and experience true happiness

lie lie rozz

truly you a habitual liar like false jw's don't know "THE" Lord

but your lord the devil gives you experiences of torments and sleepless nights
doesn't he oh most unintelligent one

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 1:19am On Jul 16, 2020
Rozz:
When you are exhausted come and embrace the lord and experience true happiness
Which lord are you talking about.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 3:04am On Jul 16, 2020
You are an atheist...
GRIMMJOE:
So what do you understand by it.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 5:56am On Jul 16, 2020
brocab:
You are an atheist...
So are you, we are all Atheist, glory be to whatever God we worship, while we ignore the rest.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:08am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


Atheists are saints made up of rapists, child molesters and predators... Even for una Atheists gathering grin
No wonder, Rape is Atheists moral obligation.

TUEH !!!!!!!!!!

I am hoping you can post as much as possible. As long as you remember the ORGANIZATION you belong have the same COMMON FACTOR or DENOMINATOR. grin grin cheesy

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:11am On Jul 16, 2020
Janosky:


Achorladey Snake man grin grin
Very Cunning and deceptive..
The guy is a Pro grin grin


grin grin grin you have updated your LIST to CUNNING and DECEPTIVE. Na your way, JUDGEMENTAL MENTALITY the narrow way that leads to EVERLASTING LIFE tongue tongue tongue

Your DIVERSION strategy no work grin grin grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:39am On Jul 16, 2020
Lets prove God exist-do you have any love to give to others?
GRIMMJOE:
To prove god exist should be easy, just like I can prove humans need to breath by telling you to hold your breath.

If a God exist anyone would be able to carry and repeat the prove, but 157 pages still struggling.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:40am On Jul 16, 2020
Yeh which God do you worship?
Rozz:
When you are exhausted come and embrace the lord and experience true happiness
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:42am On Jul 16, 2020
JW's are also child molesters, rapist and predators, even Homosexuality runs through the Watchtower....
Janosky:


Atheists are saints made up of rapists, child molesters and predators... Even for una Atheists gathering grin
No wonder, Rape is Atheists moral obligation.

TUEH !!!!!!!!!!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 12:41pm On Jul 16, 2020
achorladey:


grin grin grin you have updated your LIST to CUNNING and DECEPTIVE. Na your way, JUDGEMENTAL MENTALITY the narrow way that leads to EVERLASTING LIFE tongue tongue tongue

Your DIVERSION strategy no work grin grin grin
They seem to be choking on that narrow way.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 12:43pm On Jul 16, 2020
brocab:
Lets prove God exist-do you have any love to give to others?
Love as in how? make your point clear.

Are you trying to say god is love, which of 4,300 gods are you talking about.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rabzy: 12:55pm On Jul 16, 2020
achorladey:


1. person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition, especially a person whose religious opinions differ from established belief.

2. person who forms his or her ideas and opinions independently of authority or accepted views, esp in matters of religion.

3. Definition of freethinker
: a person who thinks freely or independently : one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority
especially : one who rejects or is skeptical of religious dogma

4. person who has formed their opinions using reason and rational enquiry; somebody who has rejected dogma, especially with regard to religion.

5. Those who contend that reason can attain to a truth that has been contradicted, obscured, or distorted by the official doctrines of a religious body which lays claim to divine revelation and the consequent right to compel assent to its teachings.

6. In his 1957 essay, “The Value of Free Thought,” philosopher and freethinker Bertrand Russell wrote:

What makes a freethinker is not his beliefs but the way in which he holds them. If he holds them because his elders told him they were true when he was young, or if he holds them because if he did not he would be unhappy, his thought is not free; but if he holds them because, after careful thought he finds a balance of evidence in their favor, then his thought is free, however odd his conclusions may seem.

By this definition, a wide range of people have been freethinkers: not only atheists and agnostics but also deists, liberal religionists, religious innovators, and those who have challenged the predominant orthodoxies in every field of endeavor, from science to politics to the arts. That adds up to a lot of people. And what it tells us is that almost every great individual in history had to, in some way or another, think free. That’s what made such people stand out. That’s generally why they became famous in the first place.

Pick the one you like


Like you said this covers almost the whole spectrum of human thinking especially with Bertrand Russell's definition.
Then how many percent of one's thoughts needs to be free to be a freethinker...if someone does not follow a political or religious dogma 100 percent but follows scientific dogma would he be a freethinker. If I believe that the constitution is just a book to contain, constrain and manipulate people and then choose to go against all the laws therein would I be a freethinker
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 1:15pm On Jul 16, 2020
rabzy:


Like you said this covers almost the whole spectrum of human thinking especially with Bertrand Russell's definition.
Then how many percent of one's thoughts needs to be free to be a freethinker...if someone does not follow a political or religious dogma 100 percent but follows scientific dogma would he be a freethinker. If I believe that the constitution is just a book to contain, constrain and manipulate people and then choose to go against all the laws therein would I be a freethinker
Yes your a free thinkers because you no longer need to be told what is right or wrong.

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