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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by RuggedSniper: 6:28pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
ykalhaji:Are you an Oma Igala or Ebira? You made an interesting Igala-centric origin post... Are you also an academic/historian? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 6:43pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
AreaFada2:You heaped the above inherently contradictory dogshit even with a false timeline, but yet when put in your little place by sesan85 (who showed the use of the word "Oba" in relation to a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s), you threw further tantrums as well as lies which I will expose in a moment. AreaFada2:Do you even bother to read what you type before clicking "Submit"? If you actually do read your own comments before submitting, then you would have saved yourself from this self-embarrassing statement to the effect that the use of the word "Oba" for a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s (as shown by sesan85) was subsequent to the 1940s. Now listen, the 1800s came before the 1940s, okay? The chief shameless liar and propagandist, David Edebiri (the Esogban of Benin) has clearly done a huge damage to your already pea-sized, one-cell brain. You are quoting what someone wrote in 1840s. Can you compare that to a letter written from Benin to Lisbon by a Portuguese in 1516 clearly mentioning Oba of Beny (Benin), and Benin-Idah war that began over a year earlier and still raging at the time?You are such a fatuous, janus-faced, insanely moronic liar. There was no use of the word "Oba" in any 1516 Portuguese letter. I challenge you to provide the content of the Benin letter showing the audio word "Oba". Also, provide the full reference to the content so everyone else can also see through your lies. Idiot. On the contrary, Reverend Samuel Johnson writing in the 1800s (specifically prior to the year 1898) made many references to the word "Oba" as used for different Yoruba kings who ruled in Yorubaland in the 1700s, 1600s, and 1500s. Quoting word-for-word directly from his writing, the following are a few examples of such use: (1) "Several points of similarity may be noted between the ALAFIN and his Basorun. The ALAFIN is Oba (a king), he is Iba (a lord)." (2) "From this incident, King ABIPA was nick-named Oba M'oro (the King who caught ghosts)." (3) "And this has passed into proverb, "Oku dede ki a ko iwi wo Akesan, Oba, Jayin te ori gba aso". (At the approach to Akesan of a company of chanting Eguguns, King JAYIN buried his head in a shroud.) Used of one who anticipates the inevitable." (4) "Oaths were no more taken in the name of the gods, who were now considered too lenient and indifferent; but rather in the name of the King [i.e. King AOLE himself] who was more dreaded. "Ida Oba ni yio je mi" (may the King's sword destroy me) was the new form of oath!" Reference: Samuel Johnson, "The History of the Yorubas". Completed 1897, Published 1921, pp.71, 166, 171, and 188 respectively. When Benin sacked Akure in 1818 and beheaded their king Arakale for rebellion, all documented evidence never attached the title Oba to Deji of Akure.In your subsequent reply to this, remember to adduce some of these so-called "all documented evidence", and how they showed that the then Deji of Akure was not an "Oba". Wait a minute, how come Akure has "Deji" instead of "Enogie" (or one of its variants, namely: "Ogie", "Ovie", "Ogiamen", etc)? Isn't Akure supposed to be a tRiBuTaRy uNdEr BeNiN kInGdOm? /s LMAO! Same was the case with Kings' titles throughout lands that the Muslims later baptised Yoruba (to mean untrustworthy, deceitful, unreliable, etc).Your ignorance in this regards stinks to high heavens. First of all, the word "Ya.ri.ba" which you seem to be alluding to here (as is popularly alluded to by Nairaland bigoted ignoramuses) is an early European attempt at rendering of the word "Yoruba" -- (I will provide the reference for this as soon as I find it shortly). Interestingly, this word "Ya.ri.ba" is actually meaningless in the languages of the Hausas and the Fulanis to which it is often unfortunately falsely attributed. May be we should replicate your base reasoning here to concluded that the word "Benin" -- which was similarly an European attempt at rendering the word "Ubini" -- originally relates to Gays because the word "Benin" could mean "Boys" in Arabic. Let me remind you that many yoruba people come with their condescending attitude, self given title of over educated and sophisticated, like they founded Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Sorbonne, Heidelberg, Bologna, Leuven, Karolinska, etc.Yes! They then argue blindly hoping to get no opposition. They end up swearing like a common agbero so prevalent in SW. I Know your antics by now.Nope! Unlike you and other Edo notorious liars, we do not have any need for lies when discussing our beloved Yoruba history. Accept who you are -- An Edo slave of the Yoruba-King of Benin. cc: RuggedSniper. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 7:40pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:Bros was akure not under Benin rulership for 100s of years ?? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 7:55pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
RuggedSniper:What website are you getting your information from ?? I'm showing you guardian, punch newspaper and you're showing me what ? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 8:18pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus: Short answer: No, it wasnt at any time. Long answer: Many early writings containing statements to the effect that Benin was suzerain over some eastern and southern fronteir Yoruba Kindoms are actually statements emanating originally from Benin. Such statements are not corroborated by the accounts of these Yoruba kingdoms themselves. Rather, these statements are contradicted by their own account of the relationship they had with Benin. In the 1600s, Olfert Dapper who first documented such statements emanating from Benin wasn't even an eyewitness to the events. Yet J. Barbot used Olfert Dapper even without acknowledgment and still added his own details. Moreover, H.L. Gallwey writing from Benin also documented similar statements to the effect that Benin owned the land even up to around Lokoja. In fact, many modern day Bini people still strongly believe in the obviously deluded idea that their Oba owned the land up to Europe. So, one can only imagine what the thinking of the natives must have been in the past. . . . To balance this out actually, the frontier eastern and southern Yoruba kingdoms and the Benin Kingdom both mutually consider each other to be one band of brothers from Ife, and as such didn't by default see each other as enemies. The Binis, who were veteran traders, had the practice of settling down away from home and establishing resident trading communities abraod. The Bini resident trading communities often remit tributes (from trade gain) back home to their king through their leaders known as "Olotu Ado", or "Olotu Ekiran", or, in bigger towns, "Balekale". On the whole then, conflicts between these kingdoms appear basically in the context of trade as opposed to imperial ascendancy in the context of which it has usually been often misrepresented based on the exaggerations from the Benin side. No doubt, the Benin kingdom appears to be the then militarily stronger brother-kingdom in that axis. Other kingdoms in the axis may then have, for this particular reason, acknowledged its seniority with gifts as is often the custom even among other Yoruba kingdoms in the Yoruba interior. But to be historically correct, imperial rule and domination was clearly out of the question considering the account of these other kingdoms too. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 8:22pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:Is this your final answer?? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 8:36pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus: You may refer again to my comment if you beleive you're missing any part of it. |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 8:51pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:I know you are not happy that a small tribe like benin once dominated you guys but you can't change history. Akure was once under the control of the Benin empire. I don't have energy to keep this debate going on , I wish there was voice recording on this app. Every credible site agrees in the reach of the Benin empire except you online warriors. This is from BBC.
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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 8:52pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 9:07pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus:Benin Kingdom was established and ruled by the Yoruba monarchy from Ife. In case that's what you meant here. but you can't change history. Akure was once under the control of the Benin empire. I don't have energy to keep this debate going on , I wish there was voice recording on this app. Every credible site agrees in the reach of the Benin empire except you online warriors. This is from BBC. prezeus: prezeus: prezeus: prezeus: Smiles! This BBC screenshot is not an eyewitness account. It doesn't matter if the editor is light-skinned. But very important is the fact which I have already informed you about that there are a number of early accounts (of which BBC is obviously not even part) which makes this kind of claim. And all these early accounts emanate originally from Benin itself. In fact, the earliest documentation of such accounts from Benin is via Olfert Dapper (in the 1600s) who himself was not an eyewitness, as he never travelled outside of the Netherlands throughout his entire life. Moreover, your last screenshot (where you typed "See" ) is undoubtedly from an Edo-blog. The final major blow against your propaganda is the fact that Akure traditional accounts do not corroborate any such imperial domination by Benin. Rather, they contradict it. May God help you in your ongoing battle against your self-inflicted small-tribe syndrome and insecurities. Cheers! cc: RuggedSniper 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 9:22pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 9:28pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus: Even though you seem to be having a breakdown at the moment considering your unrelated screenshot here, I would still indulge you. Yes, Oba Akiolu can possibly trace himself to Benin. Afterall Oba Ado is a Bini maternally. https://www.nairaland.com/5993201/nine-prominent-yoruba-actors-actresses/7#91778456 I pray you would be able to sleep tonight. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by sesan85(m): 10:33pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
[quote author=AreaFada2 post=91781255] Chai, see a very pained person. So pained you could not even read to understand. Despite your claim to omniscience and wisdom of king Solomon, you couldn't see where I wrote that your kings may well have been known as Obas, possibly much later in history, they never appended the title Oba. You are quoting what someone wrote in 1840s. Can you compare that to a letter written from Benin to Lisbon by a Portuguese in 1516 clearly mentioning Oba of Beny (Benin), and Benin-Idah war that began over a year earlier and still raging at the time? When Benin sacked Akure in 1818 and beheaded their king Arakale for rebellion, all documented evidence never attached the title Oba to Deji of Akure. Same was the case with Kings' titles throughout lands that the Muslims later baptised Yoruba (to mean untrustworthy, deceitful, unreliable, etc). Let me remind you that many yoruba people come with their condescending attitude, self given title of over educated and sophisticated, like they founded Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Sorbonne, Heidelberg, Bologna, Leuven, Karolinska, etc. They then argue blindly hoping to get no opposition. They end up swearing like a common agbero so prevalent in SW. I Know your antics by now. [/quote Dude, you're the dumbest Bini revisionist I've come across. The fact that a Yoruba descendant (Military General) in far away Brazil Candido da Fonseca Galvao was calling himself "Dom Oba II D'Africa" as far back as the 19th century already nullifies your codeine-influenced, IQ-deficient, not-here-not-there "1940s" ahistorical codswallop. Binis, the same people who got Ogun, Shango, Ifa, Osun, Eshu, Olokun from Yorubas claiming Oba originates from them, lol. The effrontery! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 10:49pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:See the nonsense you wrote. Aren't you ashamed of yourself ?? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by sesan85(m): 10:52pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11: He's the dumbest Bini revisionist I've ever come across, and there are many of them. Rarely have I seen a load of incoherent contradictory self-owns in one write-up. Smh. 2 Likes |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 10:52pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus:This is a counter argument?? 1 Like |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 10:53pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
[quote author=TAO11 post=91787953] Even though you seem to be having a breakdown at the moment considering your unrelated reply, I would still indulge you. Yes, Oba Akiolu can possibly trace himself to Benin. Afterall Oba Ado is a Bini maternally. https://www.nairaland.com/5993201/nine-prominent-yoruba-actors-actresses/7#91778456 I pray you would able to sleep tonight.[/quote I have never seen this type of desperation before. So you had to clone my account only for you to type something this dumb ? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 10:55pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
TAO11:the urhobos, itsekiris,agbor don't name their traditional rulers by enogie but they all pay homage to the oba if Benin |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 10:59pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by Fortunate24: 11:00pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
kheny12:Okay |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 11:02pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus:You're obviously a rookie. I think you should do yourself the favour of staying in your compound-stories-kinda-history lane It's obvious you fail to understand the difference between addressing an argument and typing anything in the hope to be seen, by your fellow kiddies, as replying. 1 Like |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 11:06pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus: Any kingdom truly under Benin kingdom's overlordship must have some variant of the root-word "Ogie" as the term or title for their monarchies -- e.g. Ogiamien, Enojie, Ovie, etc. If you're smart you should have realized that I am light years out of your gutter league. I am getting you worried. Everyone can see through that. Agbor however pays homage directly to Ife not to Benin. Get your facts right. Itsekiri pays homage to Ife through the Benin monarchy. 2 Likes |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 11:22pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
sesan85:I have known him for sometime to be an unrepentant liar. He believes strongly in the Edo idea of helping his Edo ethnic group through the only means possible, namely: BLATANT FATUOUS LIES. It's nothing but insecurities. 1 Like |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:27pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus:How about the olu of warri ?? I can't find ogie in his title or maybe e pays tribute to Ife too , right ?? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 11:27pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus:With this comment you've just screamed out the following words: I, PREZUEUS, HAVE FAILED MISERABLY IN MY ATTEMPT TO DEFEND BENIN. Everyone reading got your message. 1 Like
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Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:29pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
[quote author=TAO11 post=91791656] With this comment you've just screamed out the following words: [b]I, PREZUEUS, HAVE FAILED MISERABLE IN MY ATTEMPT TO DEFEND BENIN[/B]. Everyone reading got your message. [/quote How about the olu of warri ?? I can't find ogie in the title or does he pay tribute to the alaafin of Ife too ?? |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by TAO11(f): 11:32pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
prezeus: (1) The Olu of Warri is called Ogiamen. (2) Warri people -- i.e. Itsekiris -- are a Yoruba subgroup who accepted Ginuwa because he belonged to the Yoruba royal house ruling over the Edos. (3) Yes, they page homage to Ife directly as well as indirectly through the Benin monarchy. 1 Like |
Re: Nine Prominent Yoruba Actors, Actresses Who Are Non-yoruba by prezeus(m): 11:36pm On Jul 16, 2020 |
[color=#550000][/color] TAO11:Your attempt to refute my claims is laughable at best. The custodian of Lagos traditions are saying the Benins were the first rulers of the area yet you a non-entity is saying otherwise. Every smart person reading this knows who and what to believe. I am quoting from BBC, guardian newspaper, punch newspaper, and other reputable sights and historians you on the other hand are quoting yourself or other dumb small minded people like you. Please show me your claims from a reliable and reputable source then I will honestly have a change of mind till then you are saying trash. |
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