Amoto94:
Read this piece by Sebastien Chapuis on Jorginho it's a long read but it detailed some of his shortcomings and how it affect Chelsea games. cc: Donjazet, Airmark, Ibime, Unlimited


https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/platform/amp/features/2020/7/17/21328060/jorginho?

go straight to the comments and thank me later.

Amoto94:
Read this piece by Sebastien Chapuis on Jorginho it's a long read but it detailed some of his shortcomings and how it affect Chelsea games.


https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/platform/amp/features/2020/7/17/21328060/jorginho?

Players like Jorginho and Busquet are few these days and not something a big team should sell off.

Just pair them with a dirty player and you'll enjoy them.

Jorginho is good and will be rated above 80% of midfielders if he play for Pep.

Sarri won a major trophy at Chelsea, but Chelsea fans hated him because of his possession game. They are used to Conte and Mourinho style of play.

Toooom toooom tooooom! Win by all means!!

Just dey booooley the ball like that till it enters the net, forgetting that they don't have strong strikers like Drogba and Costa!

donjazet:


go straight to the comments and thank me later.

I've read the comments before posting the link and they didn't counter him at all. At best Jorginho he's a poor man's Pirlo even though I understand the structural and personnel deficit hampering his effectiveness.

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donstan18:

Players like Jorginho and Busquet are few these days and not something a big team should sell off.

Just pair them with a dirty player and you'll enjoy them.

Jorginho is good and will be rated above 80% of midfielders if he play for Pep.

Sarri won a major trophy at Chelsea, but Chelsea fans hated him because of his possession game. They are used to Conte and Mourinho style of play.

Toooom toooom tooooom! Win by all means!!

Just dey booooley the ball like that till it enters the net, forgetting that they don't have strong strikers like Drogba and Costa!

Jorginho is at best a poor man's Pirlo, Michael Carrick was a better DLP than Jorginho during his playing days yet he was heavily criticized for his lack of athleticism.
EPL is a different animal compared to other leagues because the intensity is higher and your DLP must have legs and be physically robust else he will run into trouble, Xabi Alonso was DLP and excelled in that role while playing for Liverpool because of his athleticism coupled with his technical qualities, Fernandinho excelled too in this role because of the aforementioned qualities.

airmark:


I don't want to say God, our creator, was partial by giving you good brain and denying raumdeuter, a40 and lordfalcao of same priviledge.

Courtois and Ramos were more influential in Madrid's triumph than Benzema that would get 5 chances and score 1. Put Kepa in goal and Rudiger at the back for Madrid, and see how Benzema's paltry 21 goals would have taken them to europa.

For some of us that watched most of Madrid's matches, we couldn't but laugh at the stupidity coming from Aparisports crew.

Rie nsi you shameless he-goat.

Benzema has scored 21 goals from 60 shots on goal. To put it in perspective Messi has 23 goals from 67 shots and Messi is Barca's primary PK taker. So where did you see 1 in 5 chances conversion rate. What an unlettered m0ron.

Ramos and Courtois are more important than the man that led Madrid in goals and assists? Better stick to MMM and commandclem analysis you stupid phucktard

Benzema contributed 21 goals and 8 assists. No other Madrid player scored half his goals or created as many assists. Clown

Amoto94:

Jorginho is at best a poor man's Pirlo, Michael Carrick was a better DLP than Jorginho during his playing days yet he was heavily criticized for his lack of athleticism.
EPL is a different animal compared to other leagues because the intensity is higher and your DLP must have legs and be physically robust else he will run into trouble, Xabi Alonso was DLP and excelled in that role while playing for Liverpool because of his athleticism coupled with his technical qualities, Fernandinho excelled too in this role because of the aforementioned qualities.

Lol Jorginho is nothing like Pirlo even at extreme poverty. What kind of blasphemy is this? Jorginho that can barely throw pass more than 5 yards? Stop this rough play

BlueAngel444:

What makes this man city transfer ban that was canceled more annoying is they have power in the market. The £150m they want to invest this summer in their squad would have been what they would have lost if the ban was upheld and that would for once make them frugal in spending.

I had hoped maybe Chelsea would consider going for Koulibaly seeing he may not join a UCL banned team giving his age, and the fee might be just about £60m but with city in the mix that's a dream now.

Anyway if we do sign Rice he can play DM as well, if he doesn't make that CB position work that is.

I would like a CB that's great in the air and as you said an organizer not a pointer or a mere shouter

ManCity will not spend much because of drop in match day revenue and how lucky they were to escape hammering they will only buy if they can move on some of their fringe players for decent sum of money which is highly unlikely due to financial crisis occasioned by Covid19 pandemic, so Chelsea may be able to beat off City's competition.
As for Koulibaly I'm quite skeptical of him due to age and occasional brainfarts if we move for him at present he'd struggle to adapt and the expectation will weigh him down.

obainojazz:
Hazard brings more to a team than goals and assists..
(Hesben and Airmark 1970)

Dumb and dumber

A40:
Lol Jorginho is nothing like Pirlo even at extreme poverty. What kind of blasphemy is this? Jorginho that can barely throw pass more than 5 yards? Stop this rough play

Jorginho can play them but need runners

Amoto94:

Jorginho is at best a poor man's Pirlo, Michael Carrick was a better DLP than Jorginho during his playing days yet he was heavily criticized for his lack of athleticism.
EPL is a different animal compared to other leagues because the intensity is higher and your DLP must have legs and be physically robust else he will run into trouble, Xabi Alonso was DLP and excelled in that role while playing for Liverpool because of his athleticism coupled with his technical qualities, Fernandinho excelled too in this role because of the aforementioned qualities.

The truth is that any style of play can work in any League so long as the exact team got players who are good with that style of play.

Barcelona aren't that physical with their pattern of play. Does this mean they'll be relegated in EPl? Same goes with Bayern and Psg.

Get a good coach, good players that suit your style and you are good to go. Jorginho is good and not as useless as people criticize him here.

I understand your post regarding the needed qualities to excel in his position, especially in a club like Chelsea where you must play like a tout to be valued by their fans.

But he is GOOD!!!

Amoto94:

Jorginho can play them but need runners

That Jorginho no sabi anything make I no lie for you. Sluggishness is the only common denominator between him and Pirlo

A40:
Rie nsi you shameless he-goat.

Benzema has scored 21 goals from 60 shots on goal. To put it in perspective Messi has 23 goals from 67 shots and Messi is Barca's primary PK taker. So where did you see 1 in 5 chances conversion rate. What an unlettered m0ron.

[s]Ramos and Courtois are more important than the man that led Madrid in goals and assists? Better stick to MMM and commandclem analysis you stupid phucktard

Benzema contributed 21 goals and 8 assists. No other Madrid player scored half his goals or created as many assists. Clown[/s]

You can't stop exposing your limited knowledge of the round leather game. You always type a lot of inconsequential words that will further disgrace you.

Let me take you to school. You dwelled on only shots on goal, to reach your stupid conclusion that Benzema has a great conversion rate. What of his shots off target? Your brain didn't consider that as important, right? Can you see why you need to return fully to your mentor, Dayo, to train you more, before you can come and battle me on soccer technicalties?

When you should be here reading and learning from brilliant submissions, you will be on Basketball thread, sizing up Lola William's boobs.

Amoto94:

ManCity will not spend much because of drop in match day revenue and how lucky they were to escape hammering they will only buy if they can move on some of their fringe players for decent sum of money which is highly unlikely due to financial crisis occasioned by Covid19 pandemic, so Chelsea may be able to beat off City's competition.
As for Koulibaly I'm quite skeptical of him due to age and occasional brainfarts if we move for him at present he'd struggle to adapt and the expectation will weigh him down.

true about Koulibaly, but would still swap him for Rudiger if Rudiger doesnt improve.

But City will spend, they have always been that way, they have already beat united to Ferran Torres in order to replace Sane. And City didnt lack goals this season o.

They are still after Alaba, even though they have Mendy, Stones and co. They mighy not spend close to 300m or 200m their usually amount but I wouldnt beat against them taking it past 100m and Rum coming here and telling us it's because Sane left and Silva retired

donstan18:

The truth is that any style of play can work in any League so long as the exact team got players who are good with that style of play.

Barcelona aren't that physical with their pattern of play. Does this mean they'll be relegated in EPl? Same goes with Bayern and Psg.

Get a good coach, good players that suit your style and you are good to go. Jorginho is good and not as useless as people criticize him here.

I understand your post regarding the needed qualities to excel in his position, especially in a club like Chelsea where you must play like a tout to be valued by their fans.

But he is GOOD!!!

He is not good!!!

He is useless!!!

donstan18:

The truth is that any style of play can work in any League so long as the exact team got players who are good with that style of play.

Barcelona aren't that physical with their pattern of play. Does this mean they'll be relegated in EPl? Same goes with Bayern and Psg.

Get a good coach, good players that suit your style and you are good to go. Jorginho is good and not as useless as people criticize him here.

I understand your post regarding the needed qualities to excel in his position, especially in a club like Chelsea where you must play like a tout to be valued by their fans.

But he is GOOD!!!

Guardiola said that he had to adapt to the peculiarities of Bundesliga and change the way he played in Spain, also he said he will adapt to the demands of EPL in a book co-authored by Marti Perarnau titled: Pep Confidential, The Tactical Evolution of Guardiola. In Quiet leadership Ancelotti said he'd to adapt to the various leagues he's coached in.

airmark:


You can't stop exposing your limited knowledge of the round leather game. You always type a lot of inconsequential words that will further disgrace you.

Let me take you to school. You dwelled on only shots on goal, to reach your stupid conclusion that Benzema has a great conversion rate. What of his shots off target? Your brain didn't consider that as important, right? Can you see why you need to return fully to your mentor, Dayo, to train you more, before you can come and battle me on soccer technicalties?

When you should be here reading and learning from brilliant submissions, you will be on Basketball thread, sizing up Lola William's boobs.

BlueAngel444:
true about Koulibaly, but would still swap him for Rudiger if Rudiger doesnt improve.

But City will spend, they have always been that way, they have already beat united to Ferran Torres in order to replace Sane. And City didnt lack goals this season o.

They are still after Alaba, even though they have Mendy, Stones and co. They mighy not spend close to 300m or 200m their usually amount but I wouldnt beat against them taking it past 100m and Rum coming here and telling us it's because Sane left and Silva retired

You can't blame City for replacing Sane with Ferran Torres and going for Alaba, losing a player and not replacing him will leave you behind your competitors by a transfer and it will be difficult to correct and when Pep bought Mendy he thought the lad will be as good as Alaba technically, tactically and professionally but Mendy is another failed project so far and hence his pursuit of Alaba as both of them enjoyed a successful time together at Bayern.

TheRealProphet1:
He is not good!!!

He is useless!!!

Ofcourse Salah and De Bryne use to be useless to you all when they were in Chelsea, simply because they weren't playing like touts, bullying and fighting players to impress

But now? What can you say about them?

Chelsea should sell Jorginho and Abraham. We'll be waiting for them to come back and hurt us as usual like the likes of KDB and Salah.

All this noise about Jorginho, the dude will still be in Chelsea come next season. Hopefully he would stop his winter decline and be usefully properly.

Pogba and pirlo have shown one thing, with the right partners a midfielder can be a star or flop

Chelsea's main problem since Terry waned and left has been our poor defense.

Liverpool with VVD and Gomez helped take them up. Most midfielders struggle in EPL is it Keita who would think that Herdenson would still bench him, what of Fabinho that took enough time before he started playing. Liverpool's old midfield still was very useful and stepped up.

Fred, Rodri (this one try self), Ndombel Tanguya (whatever his name) all the CM and DMs bought even worse in any team where the manager hasnt stayed and developed a midfield structure or pattern.

I recall how Fabregas had to adjust to Conte.

Some forget the major thing Xavi did was pass the ball, hold it turn and pass the ball. The difference he had quality players. That spain world cup. Xavi would just be passing the ball, even pirlo at the euros wad more entertaining.

Anyway, if Jorginho plays on sunday I hope it's the best Jorginho that shows if not make Kovacic kukuma play for that midfield

donstan18:

Ofcourse Salah and De Bryne use to be useless to you all when they were in Chelsea, simply because they weren't playing like touts, bullying and fighting players to impress

But now? What can you say about them?

Chelsea should sell Jorginho and Abraham. We'll be waiting for them to come back and hurt us as usual like the likes of KDB and Salah.

Jorginho should not and never be compare to Salah & Kevin D 'B'.

You don't compare snail with lions, its insulting.

airmark:


You can't stop exposing your limited knowledge of the round leather game. You always type a lot of inconsequential words that will further disgrace you.

Let me take you to school. You dwelled on only shots on goal, to reach your stupid conclusion that Benzema has a great conversion rate. What of his shots off target? Your brain didn't consider that as important, right? Can you see why you need to return fully to your mentor, Dayo, to train you more, before you can come and battle me on soccer technicalties?

When you should be here reading and learning from brilliant submissions, you will be on Basketball thread, sizing up Lola William's boobs.

Oti Pari!! but what is all this sef

donstan18:

Ofcourse Salah and De Bryne use to be useless to you all when they were in Chelsea, simply because they weren't playing like touts, bullying and fighting players to impress

But now? What can you say about them?

Chelsea should sell Jorginho and Abraham. We'll be waiting for them to come back and hurt us as usual like the likes of KDB and Salah.

Salah and KDB improved na,

Salah that plays right forward obviously struggled playing Right attacking midfield, someone that wants to score goals should come and be defending like willian, thats why Cuardado was signed. Just look at how Pedro flopped before Conte came and pushed him forward.

Is it KDB, the only reason Lampard and Oscar started instead of him was because of defensive contributions. And I must say Oscar was damn good, he could shoot, pass, run, dribble and still tackle. KDB went to german and played passes but after some many seasons learnt how to contribute defensively (in his own small way)

Jorginho is just not as lucky as Busquets to have teammate where he can use opponents and play middle man

Amoto94:

Chilwell is a fraud we are better off without him we need a dynamic fullback not a one-trick ponny, we need a DM that's mobile with good passing range to shield our backline and a center-back that is good at defending and organizing the backline

What of a proper 9?

Amoto94:

Guardiola said that he had to adapt to the peculiarities of Bundesliga and change the way he played in Spain, also he said he will adapt to the demands of EPL in a book co-authored by Marti Perarnau titled: Pep Confidential, The Tactical Evolution of Guardiola. In Quiet leadership Ancelotti said he'd to adapt to the various leagues he's coached in.

Pep didn't change his style of play in Germany, rather he changed Bayern style of play to his possession style of play.

We watched Bayern especially in UCL from 2010 to 2013. We saw how clinical, solid, counter and attacking minded they were. Recall 2013 against Barcelona? Recall how they played and knocked Madrid in 2012 also? These Nighaz were dangerous af then with their German style of play.

Then Pep took over, introduced possession game, everything changed, UCL humiliation became a norm to them from Spanish teams throughout Pep's reign. He didn't change his pattern a bit in Bayern.

In EPl, he did because he didn't and couldn't get the players he needed for it, not because it can't work in EPl. Afterall, he destroyed and humiliated all the top EPl teams he met with Barcelona aside Chelsea.

Amoto94:

You can't blame City for replacing Sane with Ferran Torres and going for Alaba, losing a player and not replacing him will leave you behind your competitors by a transfer and it will be difficult to correct and when Pep bought Mendy he thought the lad will be as good as Alaba technically, tactically and professionally but Mendy is another failed project so far and hence his pursuit of Alaba as both of them enjoyed a successful time together at Bayern.

pep has zinchenko that he uses at LB abi

I doubt Pep nor City can do without spending. Is alright, just let Chelsea board know what they are doing and do it on time.

donstan18:


Pep didn't change his style of play in Germany, rather he changed Bayern style of play to his possession style of play.

We watched Bayern especially in UCL from 2010 to 2013. We saw how clinical, solid, counter and attacking minded they were. Recall 2013 against Barcelona? Recall how played and knocked Madrid in 2012 also? These Nighaz were dangerous af then with their German style of play.

Then Pep took over, introduced possession game, everything changed, UCL humiliation became a norm to them from Spanish teams throughout Pep's reign. He didn't change his pattern a bit in Bayern.

In EPl, he did because he didn't and couldn't get the players he needed for it, not because it can't work in EPl. Afterall, he destroyed and humiliated all the top EPl teams he met with Barcelona aside Chelsea.

Some people will laugh at you but this is true and i agree. Without Messi, Fraudiola is null and void among the big boys in Europe.

airmark:


You can't stop exposing your limited knowledge of the round leather game. You always type a lot of inconsequential words that will further disgrace you.

Let me take you to school. You dwelled on only shots on goal, to reach your stupid conclusion that Benzema has a great conversion rate. What of his shots off target? Your brain didn't consider that as important, right? Can you see why you need to return fully to your mentor, Dayo, to train you more, before you can come and battle me on soccer technicalties?

When you should be here reading and learning from brilliant submissions, you will be on Basketball thread, sizing up Lola William's boobs.

Who is including shots off target with you? If we are doing that then Messi is even worse than Benzema going by your apoche cra cra logic.

Total shots:
Messi - 111
Goals
23

So if you must slander anybody. Start with Messi. Efulefu

popizaino:




What of a proper 9?

Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic, Abraham, Giroud, Mount and if can secure the services of Havertz will guarantee us goals. What we need is defensive reinforcement to solidify our backline and take us to the next level

TheRealProphet1:


Jorginho should not and never be compare to Salah & Kevin D 'B'.

You don't compare snail with lions, its insulting.

Nobody in Chelsea can be compared to the 2.

And it is so because Chelsea sold them off to teams that values and understands what it means to get the best out of players, not a team like Chelsea that is ready to pair T. Partey, Ndidi, Kante and Ferdinandino together in a match.

Kpoooooom kpoooooom kpooooom!!

Amoto94:
Read this piece by Sebastien Chapuis on Jorginho it's a long read but it detailed some of his shortcomings and how it affect Chelsea games. cc: Donjazet, Airmark, Ibime, Unlimited


https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/platform/amp/features/2020/7/17/21328060/jorginho?

Nice read.

Jorginho and Busquets are sluggish and almost the same in my eyes. They can't survive in epl.

BlueAngel444:
Salah and KDB improved na,

Salah that plays right forward obviously struggled playing Right attacking midfield, someone that wants to score goals should come and be defending like willian, thats why Cuardado was signed. Just look at how Pedro flopped before Conte came and pushed him forward.

Is it KDB, the only reason Lampard and Oscar started instead of him was because of defensive contributions. And I must say Oscar was damn good, he could shoot, pass, run, dribble and still tackle. KDB went to german and played passes but after some many seasons learnt how to contribute defensively (in his own small way)

Jorginho is just not as lucky as Busquets to have teammate where he can use opponents and play middle man

This is the summary of the whole thing which I initially stated. He's in the wrong club and under the wrong coach.

Give Pep Jorginho!
Introduce Jorginho to Barcelona!

If that Guy no make FIFA 11 make I know wetin cause am!