airmark:


Nice read.

Jorginho and Busquets are sluggish and almost the same in my eyes. They can't survive in epl.

Carrick and Matic survived ...

With the right system and players around them, they will surely play well

donstan18:


Pep didn't change his style of play in Germany, rather he changed Bayern style of play to his possession style of play.

We watched Bayern especially in UCL from 2010 to 2013. We saw how clinical, solid, counter and attacking minded they were. Recall 2013 against Barcelona? Recall how played and knocked Madrid in 2012 also? These Nighaz were dangerous af then with their German style of play.

Then Pep took over, introduced possession game, everything changed, UCL humiliation became a norm to them from Spanish teams throughout Pep's reign. He didn't change his pattern a bit in Bayern.

In EPl, he did because he didn't and couldn't get the players he needed for it, not because it can't work in EPl. Afterall, he destroyed and humiliated all the top EPl teams he met with Barcelona aside Chelsea.

Guardiola adapted to the demands of Bundesliga while sticking to his core principle look at a quote from that book he co-authored with Perarnau, ' One should never confuse ideology with the correct strategic response to a specific situation'. He changed his pressing game, and the way his team attacked, that he wasn't successful in the UCL is a thing of luck

donstan18:

Nobody in Chelsea can be compared to the 2.

And it is so because Chelsea sold them off to teams that values and understands what it means to get the best out of players, not a team like Chelsea that is ready to pair T. Partey, Ndidi, Kante and Ferdinandino together in a match.

Kpoooooom kpoooooom kpooooom!!

I beg to disagree, this is preposterous.

Amoto94:

Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic, Abraham, Giroud, Mount and if can secure the services of Havertz will guarantee us goals. What we need is defensive reinforcement to solidify our backline and take us to the next level

not only defensive reonforcements we need good defensive coaches in that backroom.

At a point Cesar was playing crap. We couldnt defend set pieces, couldnt defend counter attacks, not even stop outside shots. Conceeding late goals, defensively disorganized.

A40:
Who is including shots off target with you?

How will you determine the conversion rate, by not including shots off target? Are you insane?

A40:
If we are doing that then Messi is even worse than Benzema going by your apoche cra cra logic.

Messi is not a central forward like Benzema, if you are not dull you would know why Messi should have more shots off target than Benzema.

Dayo should be punished for not educating you well before allowing you to move out of Bayern thread, and post here.

donstan18:

Players like Jorginho and Busquet are few these days and not something a big team should sell off.

Just pair them with a dirty player and you'll enjoy them.

Jorginho is good and will be rated above 80% of midfielders if he play for Pep.

Sarri won a major trophy at Chelsea, but Chelsea fans hated him because of his possession game. They are used to Conte and Mourinho style of play.

Toooom toooom tooooom! Win by all means!!

Just dey booooley the ball like that till it enters the net, forgetting that they don't have strong strikers like Drogba and Costa!

I bet you if jorginho plays exactly like busquest no one would call for him to be leave Chelsea.Don't out both in the same sentence simply because they are both dmf.

airmark:


Some people will laugh at you but this is true and i agree. Without Messi, Fraudiola is null and void among the big boys in Europe.

Give Pep Messi, Inesta and Xavi of then.

Just give it to him now and all these talks that tikitaka can't work in EPl will be history.

Expert17:


Carrick and Matic survived ...

With the right system and players around them, they will surely play well

Carrick and Matic could screen the ball better than Jorginho and Busquets. Jorginho started having problems when opponents figured it out.



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People are calling out Jorginho, there were games this seasom Kante played crap. I started suspecting those coaches and trainers at the club.

That game against united beginning of season, poor defensive plan

BlueAngel444:
not only defensive reonforcements we need good defensive coaches in that backroom.

At a point Cesar was playing crap. We couldnt defend set pieces, couldnt defend counter attacks, not even stop outside shots. Conceeding late goals, defensively disorganized.

Lampard uses a combination of man and zonal marking but the application has all shades of wrong against Palace Gilmour was marking a player who was almost 6'3 and in another game Azpilicueta was marking a taller player.

Airmark raumdeuter teach me how to post gif here abeg.

airmark:


Nice read.

Jorginho and Busquets are sluggish and almost the same in my eyes. They can't survive in epl.

Do you consider busquet a good and successful player?

popizaino:



I bet you if jorginho plays exactly like busquest no one would call for him to be leave Chelsea.Don't out both in the same sentence simply because they are both dmf.

which busquets Jorginho has hope self

TheRealProphet1:
I beg to disagree, this is preposterous.

That combination is what an average Chelsea fan loves.

Infact, they'll derive orgasm if you add the likes of Wan Bisakka, Antonio of Westham and Matiudi in that midfield join!

popizaino:



I bet you if jorginho plays exactly like busquest no one would call for him to be leave Chelsea.Don't out both in the same sentence simply because they are both dmf.

With Chelsea's traditional style of play, what do you think Busquet can offer Chelsea?

Amoto94:

Lampard uses a combination of man and zonal marking but the application has all shades of wrong against Palace Gilmour was marking a player who was almost 6'3 and in another game Azpilicueta was marking a taller player.

most times i see this players has been confused defensively.

Lamparf said it's because they lack a leader and a voice at the back. Ok Rudiger returned, still confused and now wr are linked to Rice

When we cant even defend corner kicks properly and turn it into counter attack

airmark:


Carrick and Matic could screen the ball better than Jorginho and Busquets. Jorginho started having problems when opponents figured it out.



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That first one

BlueAngel444:
People are calling out Jorginho, there were games this seasom Kante played crap. I started suspecting those coaches and trainers at the club.

That game against united beginning of season, poor defensive plan

And Arsenal too!

Amoto94:

Jorginho can play them but need runners

If you like pair jorginho with prime masherano,flamini,gattuso and de jong he would still be a culprit for the one thing we have been calling him out for . LOW IQ

airmark:


Carrick and Matic could screen the ball better than Jorginho and Busquets. Jorginho started having problems when opponents figured it out.



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Jorginho is the no 1 name in Italy midfield...

Busquet is also the no 1 name in Spain midfield...

timbros:
Airmark raumdeuter teach me how to post gif here abeg.

Dayo of Aparisports will teach you.

Busquets will not survive in EPL yen yen yen..

donstan18:



That first one

Buscuits na one lucky bastard that achieved a lot. Na such grace i dey pray for sha.

Take Jorginho back to where the likes of Ashley Young, Victor Moses, Alexis Sanchez are now retiring.

Amoto94:

Lampard uses a combination of man and zonal marking but the application has all shades of wrong against Palace Gilmour was marking a player who was almost 6'3 and in another game Azpilicueta was marking a taller player.

That's because they already picked a zone/area to mark before the game and it's not that easy to change during games.....

And don't forget the setup is based on height

Amoto94:

Guardiola adapted to the demands of Bundesliga while sticking to his core principle look at a quote from that book he co-authored with Perarnau, ' One should never confuse ideology with the correct strategic response to a specific situation'. He changed his pressing game, and the way his team attacked, that he wasn't successful in the UCL is a thing of luck

That core principle is what I'm hitting at.

A thing of luck? For real?

Pep won UCL twice in his last 5 years in Barcelona, he made semis in all.

Then he joined Bayern, a team that made it to finals thrice in 4 years, and you are typing about luck.

Like, wtf!!!

homesteady:
Busquets will not survive in EPL yen yen yen..

One-off.

donstan18:

Give Pep Messi, Inesta and Xavi of then.

Just give it to him now and all these talks that tikitaka can't work in EPl will be history.

lol

I remember that pep saved Xavi's barc career.

You know eh, Lampard has tried but if we didnt have a transfer ban and Sarri stayed one more season and we signed Koulibaly all this kepa and Jorginho story might not be happening.

Our back last season was Cesar, Luiz, Rudiger, Alonso, somehow we finished third with wingers that wont shoot, even Higuain couldnt help his career (at some point he almost wanted to shine)

I took time to watch Kepa's last three seasons, when he had Laporte and after Laporte left. Thats the Kepa Madrid wanted to sign.

Look at what pique did to de gea at spain and what he is doing to ter stegen, he is literally ruining their careers.

donstan18:

That combination is what an average Chelsea fan loves.

Infact, they'll derive orgasm if you add the likes of Wan Bisakka, Antonio of Westham and Matiudi in that midfield join!

That was the era of Jose "M"

Lampard is an attacking minded coach.

donstan18:

With Chelsea's traditional style of play, what do you think Busquet can offer Chelsea?

He could offer his height when defending corner kicks.

He could offer us his precision passes. No defensive midfielder reads the game better.

His long legs would help in interceptions and tackles.

His composure in possession when under pressure.

please, don't compare Jorginho with Bousquet.... you mustn't win every argument

BlueAngel444:
All this noise about Jorginho, the dude will still be in Chelsea come next season. Hopefully he would stop his winter decline and be usefully properly.

Pogba and pirlo have shown one thing, with the right partners a midfielder can be a star or flop

Chelsea's main problem since Terry waned and left has been our poor defense.

Liverpool with VVD and Gomez helped take them up. Most midfielders struggle in EPL is it Keita who would think that Herdenson would still bench him, what of Fabinho that took enough time before he started playing. Liverpool's old midfield still was very useful and stepped up.

Fred, Rodri (this one try self), Ndombel Tanguya (whatever his name) all the CM and DMs bought even worse in any team where the manager hasnt stayed and developed a midfield structure or pattern.

I recall how Fabregas had to adjust to Conte.

Some forget the major thing Xavi did was pass the ball, hold it turn and pass the ball
. The difference he had quality players. That spain world cup. Xavi would just be passing the ball, even pirlo at the euros wad more entertaining.

Anyway, if Jorginho plays on sunday I hope it's the best Jorginho that shows if not make Kovacic kukuma play for that midfield

Show a clip of jorginho doing that simple thing on the emboldened and I will join you in singing his praises .


Note the clip has to show jorginho doing it under pressure ,making those turns with opponent at his back.

airmark:




Buscuits na one lucky bastard that achieved a lot. Na such grace i dey pray for sha.

Take Jorginho back to where the likes of Ashley Young, Victor Moses, Alexis Sanchez are now retiring.

Lmao! Busquet is good TBH.

He's gooofing because he's got no good support in that Midfield like the days of Xavi and Inesta, but he's good. He's a world class midfielder.

airmark:


Carrick and Matic could screen the ball better than Jorginho and Busquets. Jorginho started having problems when opponents figured it out.



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Don't you think it is high time you delete this gifs from your device? For many years now, this is what you keep on uploading when Busquets is discussed.

We all know that no other DM can even attempt what Busquets is doing there, yet he has a reputation for doing it right most of the time. Bringing out 5 or less clips out of more than a 10 year career of constant playing is just silly at best.

Drop it, it is stale already.