sonmvayina:
It is just a fancy word for ignorance...

Dtruthspeaker:
Faith is knowledge which You Act on or with, but people keep saying and defining or redefining it with many words and no Practical Use or Beneficial Use!

sonmvayina:


What is the difference between faith in Jesus and faith in incredible hulk?

Dtruthspeaker:


Faith in Jesus is Based on the Personal Knowing of The Lord, Jesus.

You do not know mr incredible hulk, personally, beyond what you were told by Comics.

Tamaratonye5:
I want to talk about faith. Of what use is faith in spite of evidence, or the lack thereof? I need rational answers.

Kobojunkie:
faith is a collection of all works done in trust and obedience to God's commandments serving as evidence of your claim to believe.

Your faith is the evidence of your claim to believe

sonmvayina:


What do you know about Jesus apart from what your told in the new testament?..

Apply the criteria you used for incredible hulk to jeaus..and see if you won't come to the same conclusion..

Dtruthspeaker:


I Expressly Said, Personally, meaning, in Person.

I know Him Personally, For the Benefit of myself, above and beyond what is written of Him whether New Testament, Old Testament, Middle Testament, Out of Testament or No Testament!

And my Conclusion Remains the Same.

sonmvayina:


So you believe that sometimes in the past ,the creator of the universe impregnated another man's wife ..to give birth to a man that was killed by the Romans for treason..you have faith in this story..

Are you saying that you just suspended your mental capacity for this story?

Faith indeed.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am Clearly Saying, That the Mighty Creator of Man, in Show of His Mightiness to man and the whole world, Did What Has Never Been Done.

In That He Shows The World, That if He Wills it, A Virgin Shall be With Child, Even Though she did not have sex.

An Action of which Has Never Be Done Before and He is Still Keeping it Personal to Him, Alone Today.

Which is what A Mighty God Must Do.

Further, it is Consistent with All His Mighty Actions, which is that, They Are all, First of a Kind and Last of a Kind, at the Same Time; Never Before Seen, Never After Seen.

Exactly as A Mighty Shall Do!

truespeak:


Beautiful!

Kobojunkie:
faith is a collection of all works done in trust and obedience to God's commandments serving as evidence of your claim to believe.

Your faith is the evidence of your claim to believe

Tamaratonye5:

Which "god?" Which "commandments?"

I know of a god that looks like a unicorn and farts rainbows, and the first commandment from this god is: "Anyone who believes in me is a fool"

That god and those commandments? I am guessing no.

Be more specific.

Daejoyoung:
When you tell yourself that you would complete your PhD for example, even where all the odds are against you completing it, and without any real evidence that you will, when you believe and continue to read, that is Faith.

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, the agreement, if you love Him, you will submit to His lead(through the Spirit of God) and you must obey His commandments, in order to remain in His love.
When you obey His commandments, you do the works that He commands you and as a result you grow your faith in Him.

Daejoyoung:
When you tell yourself that you would complete your PhD for example, even where all the odds are against you completing it, and without any real evidence that you will, when you believe and continue to read, that is Faith.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am Clearly Saying, That the Mighty Creator of Man, in Show of His Mightiness to man and the whole world, Did What Has Never Been Done.

In That He Shows The World, That if He Wills it, A Virgin Shall be With Child, Even Though she did not have sex.

An Action of which Has Never Be Done Before and He is Still Keeping it Personal to Him, Alone Today.

Which is what A Mighty God Must Do.

Further, it is Consistent with All His Mighty Actions, which is that, They Are all, First of a Kind and Last of a Kind, at the Same Time; Never Before Seen, Never After Seen.

Exactly as A Mighty Shall Do!

sonmvayina:


But the truth is that this never happened as it is a fabrication by the Romans to mock the creator of heaven and earth... You fell for it..

Wakee up.

Tamaratonye5:

Don’t you see the nonsensical contradiction in your statement?

First you must submit, then you will have faith

Kobojunkie:
there is nothing nonsensical about it. You have to first submit.

Tamaratonye5:

Right: it doesn’t make sense, unless you already believe it.

Kobojunkie:
Look.. you already submit to a lot of things you don't like/understand or even agree with on a regular basis. You submit to bad government even when deep down you wish you could do something about it. You submit to driving on bad roads even though you would rather not.

The point is when you have the Spirit of God living inside of you and the rule says that the only way to benefit faith-wise is to submit to His lead, what do you do? Refuse knowing you gain nothing from it?

You can only refuse for so long before you probably drain yourself out , rendering your entire journey towards God meaningless. If you are truly born again, you spent all that time working on obedience in order to get the Spirit of God to come live in you, what have you got to loose?

Tamaratonye5:

This is where religion makes people into irresponsible and illogical creatures, in my opinion of course. I am confident you are a "good" person, and if we encountered each other in person, notwithstanding anything religion, we would probably buy drinks and enjoy a wonderful time together.

Tamaratonye5:

But then along comes religion. You advocate fully buying into something, without checking it out. But ask yourself, do you do that in any other aspect of your life? Would you send five million naira to a complete stranger because he says "trust me", in the promise of a ten-fold return? Or buy a house without first having it inspected? Of buy a car without checking out how reliable it is? Would you send your children to a school that you did not check out first? Or cross a major express road without looking both ways?

Tamaratonye5:

Please, ponder the folly of accepting anything before some form of validation or examination.

Tamaratonye5:

This is where religion makes people into irresponsible and illogical creatures, in my opinion of course. I am confident you are a "good" person, and if we encountered each other in person, notwithstanding anything religion, we would probably buy drinks and enjoy a wonderful time together.

But then along comes religion. You advocate fully buying into something, without checking it out. But ask yourself, do you do that in any other aspect of your life? Would you send five million naira to a complete stranger because he says "trust me", in the promise of a ten-fold return? Or buy a house without first having it inspected? Of buy a car without checking out how reliable it is? Would you send your children to a school that you did not check out first? Or cross a major express road without looking both ways?

Please, ponder the folly of accepting anything before some form of validation or examination.

Tamaratonye5:
I want to talk about faith. Of what use is faith in spite of evidence, or the lack thereof? I need rational answers.

Daejoyoung:
When you tell yourself that you would complete your PhD for example, even where all the odds are against you completing it, and without any real evidence that you will, when you believe and continue to read, that is Faith.

Dtruthspeaker:
This Hope not faith!

Tamaratonye5:



Actually, that's action and a history of your own ability… say you have a history of getting Bs to A and you have an interest in your subject material. You study, listen take notes - pass tests. Your "faith" is confidence in yourself to accomplish
your goal.

Some people have an irrational view of themselves and this might lead to “faith” in their abilities - even though there is no evidence for it - like some of these folks