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Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by iamdannyfc(m): 7:39pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
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Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 7:58pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:Nice, you even presented how it works. Lol. It's ridiculous he thinks the cross was put in the bottle with supernatural power. He clearly doesn't know there are tricks. These are the zombiesm I'm talking. ![]() |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by LabuleofNigeria: 8:06pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
tintingz: LOL, what he posted was a mere trick.. (Thats why i didnt respond) i was even waiting him to also post edited video tricks of how witch turn to birds too.... (google boy) What i presented wasnt a trick, if you doubt i will show you one physically if you so wish. My words clearly stated that a bottle without a single crack. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by iamdannyfc(m): 8:20pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
LabuleofNigeria:For the woman, it is an anecdote so i can't tell. She might be mentally ill. Did you capture the full video from the beginning to the end, including when she change form? What i presented wasnt a trick, if you doubt i will show you one physically if you so wish. My words clearly stated that a bottle without a single crack.You desperately want yours to be termed supernatural, no prob. So, tell us how your own bottle is created. 1 Like |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 8:21pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
LabuleofNigeria:It's actually a trick or can you demonstrate that supernaturally? What i presented wasnt a trick, if you doubt i will show you one physically if you so wish. My words clearly stated that a bottle without a single crack. So where and when can we meet? |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by LabuleofNigeria: 8:36pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
tintingz: Lets meet this Sunday, Ikororu (last bstop). will hook you there. Youll see hell of spiritual magic and almost pass-out i bet you. You can come along with someone if you have any doubt or fears. Can even test some stuffs on your colleagues if they permit |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by LabuleofNigeria: 8:37pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
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Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 8:56pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
LabuleofNigeria: They won't touch me, no touching. They should perform their thing without no touching. And did you meant ikorodu? I will video this. Secondly, I will do my own testing. When they fail, you must leave your Religion, deal? |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by IMAliyu(m): 10:32pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
tintingz:I personally see it more of as a move similar to the move from a belief in a flat earth to a geocentric spherical earth. Getting there but not quite. Pretty much pre Greek philosophy and the much later scientific enlightenment, a person living without a belief in the supernatural or a god was a rarity because too much was unknown about the world (well still is, slightly just less now) a simple example was what caused the rain fall and thunder to an early historic man? The "heaven father" is the one causing it would had been a relatively satisfactory answer before the study of meteorology. So monotheism was a move from worshipping man made inanimate objects (idolatry) to a belief in an invisible entity that caused and causes everything unexplainable. Although it wasn't any better in terms of it's wackiness. . . In the your opening topic. You pointed to something I've been trying to figure out, the Islamic golden age when some Muslims were great thinkers and learners and it's down fall and how the Muslim world has pretty much regressed to the dark ages where asking certain questions would be you endangering yourself to the point that a lot of Muslims are now science deniers. I've had to explain to friends that a lot of mathematical concepts were invented by Muslims and not the Europeans trying to confuse you. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 10:02am On Jul 10, 2020 |
IMAliyu:A skeptic question everything, Ibrahim didn't question his own beliefs too, well that was because according to the story God showed him miracles and that he exist, so there's no need for Ibrahim to be skeptical, he's convinced God exist. I won't call Ibrahim a skeptic cause he's convinced his God exist in the story, maybe he's skeptical about other things I don't know. The stories in the Qur'an and Bible shows how god was intervening and people are convinced but why is god hiding today? If he intervene and people all sees it, why can't he do that today? I've created a thread on this, is he scared of the camera? Or the stories are just fairytales? Well ofocs they're. In the your opening topic. You pointed to something I've been trying to figure out, the Islamic golden age when some Muslims were great thinkers and learners and it's down fall and how the Muslim world has pretty much regressed to the dark ages where asking certain questions would be you endangering yourself to the point that a lot of Muslims are now science deniers. I've had to explain to friends that a lot of mathematical concepts were invented by Muslims and not the Europeans trying to confuse you. The Europeans acknowledged the Muslims scholars that contributed to mathematics, any mathematics student will know this. The west are just still very relevant in scientific discoveries today, many modern studies are from them. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by AntiChristian: 12:04pm On Jul 10, 2020 |
whitelotus: Of what use is my believe to yours? Isn't this what you atheist accuse others of?
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Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by whitelotus: 6:06pm On Jul 10, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Stop repeating questions that have been answered. Again, you do not own islam. Islam is a religion with many principles and it is natural for a philosopher like myself to ask questions about those principles, whether you like it or not. If you are so afraid of debating your religion, then you should question why you believe in it. ------------------------------------------ Hitler was not an atheist. He was a christian. Furthermore, those guys were communists before being atheists. Communism in of itself is like a religion that worships the state. They never killed for atheism or in the name of atheism. People who post that picture or are in support of that picture clearly show their ignorance on world politics 2 Likes |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by IMAliyu(m): 6:47pm On Jul 10, 2020 |
whitelotus:Well the religious views of Hitler are debated. In his early speeches he did describe himself to be a Christian, but later on started a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament. And attempted to distort his version to have a Nazi outlook. Other times he was described to be areligious. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by AntiChristian: 5:53am On Jul 11, 2020 |
whitelotus: I have no need to questions my religion! I'm still amazed at you atheist inciting people against their religion and stylishly wanting them to join atheism. We don't need to think like you cos we pray not to end in hell. Keep threading your path and let's keep up ours! And in the end we'll see! ..... Hitler's mum was a Catholic while his dad wasn't religious! He can be called a Christian in his early life but he later criticised Christianity in his teenage years! If they didn't kill for atheism can you calculate how many atheists each of them killed? |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 9:48am On Jul 11, 2020 |
AntiChristian:Zombiesm! ..... Hitler wasn't an Atheist, the Nazi even allied with the church and Muslims group to kill the Jews. All those bad people in that picture some of them were Atheists yes but they killed for power and political reasons, there's no atheist revelation book that commands them to kill, they cannot justify their evil behaviors to Atheism. They see themselves as gods and cults group, that's not what Atheism is! |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by AntiChristian: 9:54am On Jul 11, 2020 |
tintingz: Yeah! Like your fams na! tintingz: Atheist worship their whims and desires! So an atheist whim and desire will be different from other atheist! |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 10:00am On Jul 11, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Oh! Sigh.. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by iamdannyfc(m): 7:49pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
tintingz:Did you meet eachother as planned? |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 9:42pm On Jul 12, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:No. He didn't respond to the deal/terms. I guess he back out from his challenge. 1 Like |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by GracieX3(f): 3:28am On Jul 13, 2020 |
AntiChristian: There are muslims that I joke with. My mission is not to convert anyone but to have a reasoned discussion. I have lived in Europe and America where there are moderate muslims who respect non muslims- and I respect them back. But fanatics like you that think you are better than non muslims (people who you see as pigs and deviants) can never get respect from me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by AntiChristian: 8:36am On Jul 13, 2020 |
GracieX3: But i'm not a fanatic though! |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by GracieX3(f): 1:55pm On Jul 13, 2020 |
AntiChristian: You are a fanatic. Just look at your username 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by budaatum: 8:29pm On Jul 18, 2020 |
tintingz:Sadly, most never heard of the Islamic Golden Age and think its all boko haram.
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Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by budaatum: 8:38pm On Jul 18, 2020 |
tintingz:Perhaps because people can not 'see', in the sense that they lack the ability to understanding and to actually comprehend what they see. I'm absolutely certain that if I tell you I have evidence "some God told me to take a knife and sacrifice my child to it" you'd call police on my stupid ass! Kind of makes it a good thing God doesn't intervene today, I think. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by Nobody: 8:46pm On Jul 18, 2020 |
budaatum:That's your own opinion, not the true state of things. Real Muslims (not infidels or those that claim to worship God through Christ) know the history of Islam well and its so-called golden age. The facts are there: from the invention of algebra to some concepts in medicines, philosophy, chemistry (alkali), etc. Those that know how to determine the etymology of a name are familiar with the fact that a number of concepts with the prefix "al" in science were named/discovered by some early Muslims and that the prefix was got from "al" in "Allah", the Muslim god. The so-called golden age of Islam is actually common knowledge among most Muslims, and it is nothing special, only known by few people. Even Hitler also has its good sides. Boko Haram, slavery, genocide, violence are a part of Islam. Anyone denying those facts is either delusional or ignorant. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by budaatum: 9:11pm On Jul 18, 2020 |
gensteejay:No one is denying these facts, gensteejay. What some are acknowledging is that everything has its good and bad, and that disregarding either is stupid, ignorant and detrimental and regressive since it involves not learning from the past, which is what one is meant to do instead of just believing some ancient understanding of old texts and hadiths. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by usermane(m): 2:34pm On Jul 19, 2020 |
tintingz: You have to be both. You can't be either skeptic or zombie. The real question is to what extent should zombieism and skepticism be exercised? Let's see Agreed. Even the medieval Muslims that contributed to science were skeptics as they love the ancient Greeks works and they worked on it but at a point in history the Muslim community had problem with this ideology(as it conflicted their faith) and the era of the Muslim scientists ended, the Europeans took up this movement till date and they're far more developed today. Many modern research comes from the west, why? Because they're skeptics, they question things and do research on it. True, but it is more complicated than mere skepticism though. Just being skeptic of religion won't make a nation progress. Developing scientifically is an entire mindset that is much broader than mere tendency to question everything. I once argued with a Muslim(a pro zombiesm) who believes skepticism is bad and can even make one go psychotic(if I could remember), he claim being skeptic can make one insane. Well I won't say he was completely wrong, people may develop mental problems trying to figure out a problem due to overused of the brain, the brain is like an engine that needs a break too. It's well known in the medics not to over stress your brain. So does that mean we should throw away education, science, philosophy? Definitely not. It seem his promotion of zombiesm is restricted to Islam. I don't think otherwise. A lot of Muslims only question and challenge ideas outside of Islam. Study shows that religion is also linked to delusion, most religious people show symptoms of delusions. True in part, but is not religion per se, it is any individual fixation or obsession that cultivate delusion. So, even non-religious people suffer delusion. We all do. So should we follow his "Zombiesm" ideology? OK. I already answered this question. I think everyone is both skeptic and zombie to varying extent depending on the subject. Zombiesm is also a necessary primer for skepticism. What I want to now point out is the practical problem with this question. No one consciously choose not to be zombie. Most religious people will tell you they're not zombies and that they have questioned and verified their faith and scripture thoroughly to attain certainty. Your skepticism on a subject is a product of your nature and nuture. Peace. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by budaatum: 4:05pm On Jul 19, 2020 |
usermane:I'd propose that "developing scientifically" means, learning to investigate with proper use of the senses, science being, investigating with the senses. Thankfully, our religion is a step in that direction, though it is not obvious yet. Christianity teaches the use of the eyes a lot, which is why blindness curing is recurs so much. "If the eye is not dim the whole being will be scientifically minded". Islam teaches the development of the senses but many are yet to figure out the meaning of Wuḍūʾ. When Nigeria adopts science as it's religion, dare I say, where its taught five days a week and not one day a week, we would take massive leaps forward from our current developmental stage. Good thing is we will one day because those scientifically minded like you will not rest till we develop. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 4:44pm On Jul 20, 2020 |
usermane:You can be a skeptic without being a zombie. The concept of skepticism in philosophy and science is to question, doubt everything before concluding on a matter. So maybe you should tell us better why someone has to be both? True, but it is more complicated than mere skepticism though. Just being skeptic of religion won't make a nation progress. Developing scientifically is an entire mindset that is much broader than mere tendency to question everything.The fundamental principles in science is to question, without questioning the science is meaningless. The idea of science is logical. It seem his promotion of zombiesm is restricted to Islam. I don't think otherwise. A lot of Muslims only question and challenge ideas outside of Islam.Which is the reason why it's still zombiesm. A skeptic question everything even his own beliefs which is not what he encourage. Skepticism in my context is about philosophical arguments. True in part, but is not religion per se, it is any individual fixation or obsession that cultivate delusion. So, even non-religious people suffer delusion. We all do.Ofcos some non-religous people suffer delusion too. The majority people that shows a delusional symptoms are Religious people. OK. I already answered this question. I think everyone is both skeptic and zombie to varying extent depending on the subject. Zombiesm is also a necessary primer for skepticism.Again, my topic is about philosophical matter. If one can be skeptical if Buhari went to school why can't one be skeptical if Muhammad received revelation from his god? I asked him, would you believe me if I told you I saw a winged green flying rabbit? He said no that I'm likely psychotic and then I asked him was Muhammad psychotic when he saw angels and rode of flying donkey? He said no. You see the problems with his reasoning? So the point of my topic is philosophical base. What I want to now point out is the practical problem with this question. No one consciously choose not to be zombie. Most religious people will tell you they're not zombies and that they have questioned and verified their faith and scripture thoroughly to attain certainty. Your skepticism on a subject is a product of your nature and nuture. Nah. If you read more of philosophy you would see there are many holes when it comes to "God" a supernatural being. Till date there are still philosophical debates among religious people and non-religous people. This shows there's no objective conviction in the matter of religion, god, supernatural, truth, morality, purpose, etc. So how did "most" religious people verified their faith to attain certainty? Can they demonstrate this logically and evidentially in an objective level? If this is true then there should be religion or world view that has to be objectively true and there won't be need for philosophical questions as there's an answer, so which is the true Religion here? |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 4:52pm On Jul 20, 2020 |
budaatum: What would happen if someone divide a sea today after praying to his god? Or what would happen if the sun stand still for days? Or what would happen if a flying chariot came down from the sky? And everyone sees it? Aren't this strong evidences displayed to the people in these mythical books? |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by budaatum: 5:34pm On Jul 20, 2020 |
tintingz:Split the sea, or stand still the sun, make everyone see a chariot come down from the sky first before asking what would happen, would be the more logical process of thought here before asking what would happen, tingz, don't you think? Its what I would think. But anyway, let's say I read in a mythical book (or any book, and I must say Game of Thrones which I recently finished is a mythical series I enjoyed), that the sea was split and the sun stood still and a chariot came down from the sky, you call that "strong evidence displayed"? "Strong evidence displayed" for what exactly, that I am stupid and gullible and ignorant about "evidence" and blatantly refuse to use my eyes and my own mind to seek for proper blatant evidence? If so, I 100% agree, because that is what would be evident to me if you call a mythical book with stories that the sea was split and the sun stood still and a chariot came down from the sky, "strong evidence displayed" before you. Just imagine if I did the same with GoT! Please note that while I play along with your use of the word "mythical", it is not a word I use to define Scripture, but if it is mythical, it should be read mythically, and not literally, which is the error you seem to be pointing out some do make. I am glad you do not. Do also note that another way to read such texts is mystically, as in in recognition that that which we read today was written in the past by those who did not have the access we have to cross references and what they wrote has gone through rewrites, translations, corruption, etc over the centuries such that it has become mystified, as in whatever might have originally been meant might have been miswritten, hidden away, lost or simply beyond the capacity to be understood by most. |
Re: Skepticism Vs Zombiesm - Which Is Good? by tintingz(m): 5:39pm On Jul 20, 2020 |
budaatum:What's your point here? |
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