Logycs:

Keep throwing around the names of your two crooks instead of proving your claim.
But it is clear you can't prove your claims, because they are false and nobody can prove what is false.

LegendHero:
TAO12

You are just wasting time on the guy you are arguing with. It’s just like a professor discussing with a SS1 student coz all the reference you quoted is too complex for him to comprehend.

TAO12:
Smiles.

You have no evidence for this claim. I challenge you to provide any academic support for your wish here.

Moreover, in his letter to the French authorities, Father Columbine of Nantes who visited the coast of West Africa in the 1630s notes that the lingua-franca of Benin Kingdom is the language of the Yoruba people.

I would think that’s a Yoruba influence on Benin Kingdom.

. This is false and I challenge to provide an academic substantiation for this.

No, his title is not “Oba”, the word “Oba” simply means “king”. Instead, his title is the “Omo N’oba” — and any Edo in here will inform you that this phrase “Omo N’oba” has absolutely nothing to do with the word “king”, “monarch”, etc.

So just as “Ooni Ife” is the royal title (Oruko-oye) of the monarch (Oba) who rules Ife, and “Alaafin Oyo” is the royal title (Oruko-Oyo) of the monarch (Oba) who rules Oyo, so is “Omo N’oba N’Edo” the royal title of the monarch (“Ogie” replaced later by “Oba” ) who rule Benin.

All the Edo speaking people used the word “Ogie” or any of its variants such as “Ovie”, “Enogie”, etc. to represent the word “king”.

What specific region is Benin the super power of? Provide academic substantiation for whatever you will muster.

TAO12:
Lol. I understand perfectly that he is gripped hard by insecurities and inferiority complex.

I am all for him being secure and confident, but I simply choose to rub it on his face that I can see clearly through his insecurities, inferiority, and lies.

LegendHero:


I’m also learning from your posts.

So even if what you’re saying is lost on the guy, people like us are learning from you. So your efforts are appreciated.

Logycs:
1) I am Edo, stop making assumptions on people whom you know nothing about.

2) the title of the emperor of Benin empire is Oba and Omo n'Oba n'Edo in full.

3) why do you just keep repeating rubbish ?

4) you still don't understand that the Oba of Benin is the king while Enogie is a Duke under the authority of the Oba if Benin ?

All other titles in Benin empire are vassal titles to that of the Oba if Benin whose title is simply Oba.
If you consider the lesser titles to be longships then the only translation for the title of the Oba is emperor.

Look how a simpeton like you have the audacity to speak on behalf of us Edo ! You just go around making unsubstantiated claims which have severally been debunked while hoping the interlocutor is not aware.

Logycs:


You are hearing things which sound pleasing to your ears. Which is why you are swallowing Tao's words with no scrutiny.
Tao is a known Yoruba biggot and revisionist, a crook and a professional liar.

You are not learning anything, rather you are being fed comfortable lies.

LegendHero:


Mr. Man, you should be grateful for the generosity of TAO11 for even wasting his time in trying to hold a discord with you in the first place.

He keeps bringing out reference and yet you’re still fixated with the usual rubbish most of you regurgitate everytime. I think FFK started that rubbish while people online just swallow it.

Yes, Ahmad Baba made mention of the Yorubas in his Timbuktu manuscript. Those manuscripts have been referenced by multiple scholars. They are in their Arabic form and there is a website online about the Timbuktu manuscript.

However not all the scripts are available online as most times you have to travel to the library itself to gain access to all the manuscripts. I’ve tried my best to get the actual manuscript in its original form but even searching through libraries online they still don’t have all the manuscripts.

But they exist coz renowned authors have referenced them multiple times and that is how academics work.

Below is the link to some of the Timbuktu manuscripts:
http://www.tombouctoumanuscripts.org/images/uploads/ScriptandScholarshipCatalogue.pdf

They are in Arabic and to even find the word alone from the collections is a job on its own without understanding the language.

See example of some of the manuscripts below. How do you even start exploring details from this?

Logycs:


I see you are still conducting your 419 logics.
To the unsuspecting readers: there is no such thing as etymology for our west African languages. This "oyo r'oba" thing is a hoax created by non other than macof and some other nairaland revisionists.
The word Oba refers to the title of the emperor of Benin empire and was copied by the Yoruba chiefs in the 1930's

macof:


Lol. No such thing as etymology in African languages??

That's what killed your argument mehn

macof:


Lol. No such thing as etymology in African languages??

That's what killed your argument mehn

Logycs:


1) I am Edo, stop making assumptions on people whom you know nothing about.
2) the title of the emperor of Benin empire is Oba and Omo n'Oba n'Edo in full.
3) why do you just keep repeating rubbish ?
4) you still don't understand that the Oba of Benin is the king while Enogie is a Duke under the authority of the Oba if Benin ?
All other titles in Benin empire are vassal titles to that of the Oba if Benin whose title is simply Oba.
If you consider the lesser titles to be longships then the only translation for the title of the Oba is emperor.


Look how a simpeton like you have the audacity to speak on behalf of us Edo !
You just go around making unsubstantiated claims which have severally been debunked while hoping the interlocutor is not aware.

@samuk @areafada

LegendHero:


I’m also learning from your posts.

So even if what you’re saying is lost on the guy, people like us are learning from you. So your efforts are appreciated.

TAO12:


Just so you’re aware, he is the same person as Prolog/Ghostwon.

I know he is always scared of me. Logycs, yes I know you are. Cry!

Logycs:


Once again you guys speak the words of crooks: "the proof exist but it is unavailable" or " you can't read the proof it is in Arabic"

Look, the fact is no such text mentioning the Yoruba exist !
If you disagree then just show me the goddamn text.
For your info I have numerous Arab friend whom are fluent in Arabic, I will have no problems getting their translation of any such text.

You are one weird uneducated fellow.
You are the fanboy of an other fanboy.

Also if you claim I am repeating the claims of someone else then at least show the said claims.

Logycs:

Where to start ?

1) all you said is unsubstantiated
2) oranmiyan whom you talk about as if he were real is actually a mythical figure.
3) do I need to say more ?

You still haven't changed. You just keep repeating made up stories and never care to prove any claim of yours.

The fact remains that you can't locate any precolonial text referring to your chiefs ( ooni, alafin...) as Oba.
But in the 1930's out of a sudden, all your chiefs started bearing the title Oba.

The only précolonial texts mentioning the word Oba was referring to the Oba of Benin.

Your chiefs copied the title of the Oba of Benin.
And you know it eventhough you refuse to acknowledge it and try to claim it through mythical figures (who were totally made up).

Of course you want to reduce the significance of the title, it is not yours after all.
You claim the Oba title is inferior to the ooni title yet, your ooni felt obliged to add it to his title. And so did your alafin and actually all your chiefs.
Laughable.

Crooked yoriba

LegendHero:


Lol. Historians of repute have quoted Ahmad Baba statement in multiple sources domiciled in world renowned libraries like LOC and etc.

You are a joker if you’re asking for the actual image of the manuscripts before you can believe it or trust the historians.

Just like asking for the actual images of destruction before you can believe Benin was invaded by the British.

Logycs:

The same person who debunked a bunch of your unsubstantiated claims and showed you to be a total fraud and also debunked macof and gave you guys lessons about how reasoning works ?
Hmmm such a guy.
Yet you keep repeating your debunked claims hoping the unsuspecting reader would swallow your vomit

TAO12:
When did “debunk” begin to mean the same thing as to flee for dear lifter after been intellectually disgraced?

macof:


When discussing African history, you don't stop at texts. You go deep into tradition

Logycs:


Yeah, African history is special. It doesn't obey logical rules established and respected elsewhere. In African history we must create a backdoor for revisionists, that backdoor we shall call it "oral history" or "tradition".
It allows crooks to make up stories, myths and present them as history.

Crooked macof, you will never change.

macof:


You are still a confused small boy

Logycs:

Where to start ?

1) all you said is unsubstantiated
2) oranmiyan whom you talk about as if he were real is actually a mythical figure.
3) do I need to say more ?

You still haven't changed. You just keep repeating made up stories and never care to prove any claim of yours.

The fact remains that you can't locate any precolonial text referring to your chiefs ( ooni, alafin...) as Oba. But in the 1930's out of a sudden, all your chiefs started bearing the title Oba.

The only précolonial texts mentioning the word Oba was referring to the Oba of Benin.

Your chiefs copied the title of the Oba of Benin.
And you know it eventhough you refuse to acknowledge it and try to claim it through mythical figures (who were totally made up)

Of course you want to reduce the significance of the title, it is not yours after all. You claim the Oba title is inferior to the ooni title yet, your ooni felt obliged to add it to his title. And so did your alafin and actually all your chiefs. Laughable.

Crooked yoriba

Logycs:

[s]Wow, so you actually believe anybody would flee a forum while there is no danger to anybody's wellbeing or life.

The fact is you are a low life troll whom has all day everyday to troll. You obviously don't have a job nor any sort of responsibility which is why you have so much free time. Obviously I don't have such free time, indeed I have a job and responsibilities.

You are really slow, because I already explained all these to you and your fellow Yoruba-centeic trolls.

Also, you have no logics, when I actually prove your claim to be false you continu claimiing your already debunked claim. Eventhough I shouldn't have to prove your claims wrong, you should be the one proving your claim right. But you can't because your claims are false.

In essence talking to you and macof (your master) is just like talking to a retarded toddler. The talk never ends no matter how many times you guys are proven wrong. You just keep talking, making hundreds of more unsubstantiated claims and wasting my time.

I can't waste my life on social media. I have a job, a family and life to live. Unlike you guys, the lowlife trolls who spend all their lives on social media, trolling and trolling, telling lies.

And worst of all you actually believe you are fighting a war. You have lost your mind dude![/s]

macof:


Newsflash small boy. The title "Ọba" is actually a lesser title than the Ooni or Aláàfin that only got used to refer to sovereigns due to popularity of the title
In ife where the title "oba" originates it is in its purest form in reference to the chiefs who head sections of Ife like the Obadio, Obajio, Obalejugbe, Obalesun etc

Oranmiyan knew very well that his time at Benin was in authority of the Ooni/Olofin of Ife therefore never went by a specially styled title rather simply as Ọba. A true Yoruba vast in the traditions of ife knows the significance of what Oranmiyan did here for all future generations to know. His son then got styled Ọmọ N'Ọba (child of the Ọba = Oranmiyan)

You can't play ethnic sentiments with clear traditions made by the ancestors themselves


Traditions from Ife say that Oranmiyan never had his own crown. So even though he had the power of a king he only ever functioned as the Akogun and Odole Oodua under the authority of the Ooni of Ife.
And critically looking at Benin and Oyo I stand to suggest that while traditions from these places don't directly say this, the practice and relics confirm this

So you don't know the history of that title "Ọba"
Leave what you don't know

LegendHero:


Mr. Man, you should be grateful for the generosity of TAO11 for even wasting his time in trying to hold a discord with you in the first place.

He keeps bringing out reference and yet you’re still fixated with the usual rubbish most of you regurgitate everytime. I think FFK started that rubbish while people online just swallow it.

Yes, Ahmad Baba made mention of the Yorubas in his Timbuktu manuscript. Those manuscripts have been referenced by multiple scholars. They are in their Arabic form and there is a website online about the Timbuktu manuscript.

However not all the scripts are available online as most times you have to travel to the library itself to gain access to all the manuscripts. I’ve tried my best to get the actual manuscript in its original form but even searching through libraries online they still don’t have all the manuscripts.

But they exist coz renowned authors have referenced them multiple times and that is how academics work.

Below is the link to some of the Timbuktu manuscripts:
http://www.tombouctoumanuscripts.org/images/uploads/ScriptandScholarshipCatalogue.pdf

They are in Arabic and to even find the word alone from the collections is a job on its own without understanding the language.

See example of some of the manuscripts below. How do you even start exploring details from this?