Igboid:


Your empire of blood and gore is gone.
Your subjects if they were one in the past were freed and you yourselves were subjected under the British empire and made minorities.

Move on Biko.

Dennis Osadebay who coined the word Anioma was one of the main pillars of Igbo State Union before the war, and founders of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo post civil war.
The Asagba of Asaba is currently a grand patron of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.
You can't be speaking of empire in 21st century. Not cool at all.

A bunch of stupid claims.
Aniomas are part and parcel of Benin empire, subjects only to the emperor like every other person in the empire.
Aniomas served in the highest echelon of the empire ! (Generals, traders, Prime minister...) By the way, the Anioma who reside in Benin city are undistinguishable from other Edos in Benin city, Chief Agho Obaseki is one. It is outsiders like you who keep saying lots of rubbish in order to draw division and serve your land grabbing purpose.

Also if you guys let an Anioma lead your Igbo political or secessionist groups well good for you, so long you understand that those Anioma whom you allow to lead your groups represent you the people of the south east and do not in any way represent the Anioma people.

Keep on dreaming...

Speaking Chinese dont make you Chinese.

Igboid:


Language in the end will count. Because nothing preserves history more than language.

So saying language, especially first language and mother tongue is not identity is dubious when you are fighting tooth and nail to make them drop their own language for yours to unify them.

Language uniformity offers unity and a sense of natural and not forced union.

Language uniformity is so important that the biblical God had to create multitude of languages to divide the men trying to build a tower into the sky.
Without a common language, it's impossible to have a viable union. This is why artificial countries create a common lingual franca to unite everyone.

You Edo, Igala and Ijaws trying to capitalize on Igbo loss of power post civil war to annex Igbo speaking groups unto yourselves in hope to swell your numbers, must know that this state of affairs will not last for long.
Eventually your time will be up.

Logycs:

A bunch of stupid claims.
Anions are part and parcel of Benin empire subjects only to the emperor like every other person in the empire.
Anions served in the highest echelon of the empire ! By the way Obaseki is an anioma. It is outsiders like you who keep saying lots of rubbish in order to draw division and serve your land grabbing purpose.

Also if you guys let Anioma lead your Igbo political or secessionist groups well good for you, so long you understand that those Anioma whom you allow to lead your group represent you the people of the south east and do not in any way represent the Anioma people.

Keep on dreaming...

What are you on about.
You don't want Igbos in the East to beat together with their kin and kiths in Delta, because you want them for yourself? Are you listening to yourself? Why can't you be content with you fellow Edo people? Can you communicate with an Anioma person without using English? Or you intend making them learn your Bini language to recreate your empire again?

Dennis Osadebay was an active member of Igbo State Union. Uwaechue Ralph from Anioma was the president of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo for eight years.
Hon. Ebigwe is a high ranking member of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo now and he is from Anioma.

Obaseki is Anioma, so? He went to Bini and threw away his Igbo language and assimilated as a Bini person, does that now mean that Anioma should become one with Bini and throw away kinship with their Igbo speaking kins in the East.

An Igbo man is currently a senator in Italy and hold Italian citizenship. He even supports the racist Italian government. does it now mean that Igbos are one with Italians when we can't both communicate using our mother tongue?

Not everyone in SE is pro seccession, so leave secession out of it for now.
My point is that Igbo exists on both sides of River Niger.
And no matter all the odds stacked up against Igbo unity, encouraged by the likes of Edo, Ijaw and Igala who are looking to capitalize on current weak political state of the Igbo in Nigeria to annex Igbo speaking groups, we will prevail in the end.
Because in the end, birds of same feathers will always stick together.

Igboid:


What are you on about.
You don't want Igbos in the East to beat together with their kin and kiths in Delta, because you want them for yourself? Are you listening to yourself? Why can't you be content with you fellow Edo people? Can you communicate with an Anioma person without using English? Or you intend making them learn your Bini language to recreate your empire again?

Dennis Osadebay was an active member of Igbo State Union. Uwaechue Ralph from Anioma was the president of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo for eight years.
Hon. Ebigwe is a high ranking member of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo now and he is from Anioma.

Obaseki is Anioma, so? He went to Bini and threw away his Igbo language and assimilated as a Bini person, does that now mean that Anioma should become one with Bini and throw away kinship with their Igbo speaking kins in the East.

An Igbo man is currently a senator in Italy and hold Italian citizenship. He even supports the racist Italian government. does it now mean that Igbos are one with Italians when we can't both communicate using our mother tongue?

Not everyone in SE is pro seccession, so leave secession out of it for now.
My point is that Igbo exists on both sides of River Niger.
And no matter all the odds stacked up against Igbo unity, encouraged by the likes of Edo, Ijaw and Igala who are looking to capitalize on current weak political state of the Igbo in Nigeria to annex Igbo speaking groups, we will prevail in the end.
Because in the end, birds of same feathers will always stick together.

The WESTERN IGBOS are allowed to beat with their kit and kins in the East.. That is called freedom of association.. Just like Igbos in other parts of Nigeria or abroad are allowed to beat with their Kins in Biafra (east igbo) but however the geographical area/lands they (western Igbos) occupy is not and will never be part of Biafra. It is Edo territories and will remain so.
so they are free to interact with their kins in the east or even go join them but must understand that that territory (delta north) is not Igbo land and will not be part of Biafra.

davidnazee:


The WESTERN IGBOS are allowed to beat with their kit and kins in the East.. That is called freedom of association.. Just like Igbos in other parts of Nigeria or abroad are allowed to beat with their Kins in Biafra (east igbo) but however the geographical area/lands they (western Igbos) occupy is not and will never be part of Biafra. It is Edo territories and will remain so.
so they are free to interact with their kins in the east or even go join them but must understand that that territory (delta north) is not Igbo land and will not be part of Biafra.

Edo territories? Are you for real?

You are a comedian. I tell you.

Anioma lands belong to Ndi Anioma. And if in the end Nigeria breaks up, and Anioma especially Enuani chooses to stay with SE in a new country. You can be rest assured that they would be doing so with their land.
If Edo dare to raise a whimper, Ndiigbo will descend on and finish you off.
You better mind yourselves and stop the jokes already.

Inukwa Edo territories on top someone else's land. Are you in 15th century or what?

Why are you lots this demonic. Imagine if you were a majority group what you would do, if you habour this mindset even as a minority.

Chris525:
Biafra has no business with Edo or claiming any part of Edo. True, the igbanke of Edo speak ibo but thats about what there is to it. They are settlers.

All over the south, even in the SE, up to Benue & Kogi there are people speaking Edoid languages. Edos will not go there to claim their land or impose anything on them. Its common sense.

In this era of social media & free speech, online or public space is littered with junk & half thoughts. We must be smart about what we react to.

Edo has never been involved directly or indirectly with the Biafra struggle. Edo has no part to play or relationship of any sort with the struggle. Safe to say Edo do not support & also are not against but no doubt their body language is tilted towards Nigeria. More like a neutral with a preference. I also dont think the Igbo see them as their antagonists.

Succinct!
You were very objective with this analysis.

TheGodlessGod:
This question is for only Edo people.

We've been hearing about igbos and their quest to have their own country, they went to war in 1967 because of it..

They are claiming part of our territory even in Edo state as their own(igbanke). While some are even claiming our allies in Delta State (urhobo, itskerri).

Most of them don't want Edo people in their country (which I love) but they want to take some of our territory along with them.

What do you think about biafra?? Do you support them?

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If you can just take one minute to think and realize that all the state boundaries presently in existence in Nigeria were carved by your fellow humans mostly in military uniform, and that these boundaries were made for political expediency without consulting the native dwellers on those lands....
Then you'll understand that you're just making a lot of needless noise.

Igbos are found in parts of Delta, Edo and Benue states.
Igalas are found in parts of Anambra State.
Ijaws are found in parts of Ondo State. Same with Itsekiri.
Hausas are found in parts of North Central states whose majority ethnic groups are not Hausas.
Yorubas are found in parts of Kogi State.....
The list goes on and on.

To say that Igbos are the ones that drive you mad says a lot. I mean, if the entire Edo State decide today that they want to be an independent nation, and wants the Igbos within the geographical boundary identified as Edo state to be a part of it, do you know what Igbos would do?



Nothing!
Mostly nothing.
Igbos won't lose sleep over it.

This is because Igbos generally have realized one thing: humans will always adapt, adjust and find their level. The fittest will survive and thrive. The Igbos in those territories will thrive....and then you lots will start bellyaching over their trying to dominate you. Same as Yorubas are doing in Lagos. Though this is a slightly different analogy because Igbos aren't early settlers in Lagos and environs.

Igbos want to be left alone to chart their own course and forge their own destiny.
Your opinion on this as an Edo man (whatever that means) is totally inconsequential. Let us be. We aren't your problem, until you make us your problem. The Nigerian project has been so good to you, hasn't it?
And, the day an Igbo man will sit down to discuss the Edo nation (just like you are doing right now about Igbos) hell would freeze over.

Ask an average Igbo what he thinks about an Edo nation, and he will just shrug. Because it is a non issue. There are more important things to work on. I hope you and the guys you mentioned get to understand this.

Igboid:


What are you on about.
You don't want Igbos in the East to beat together with their kin and kiths in Delta, because you want them for yourself? Are you listening to yourself? Why can't you be content with you fellow Edo people? Can you communicate with an Anioma person without using English? Or you intend making them learn your Bini language to recreate your empire again?

Dennis Osadebay was an active member of Igbo State Union. Uwaechue Ralph from Anioma was the president of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo for eight years.
Hon. Ebigwe is a high ranking member of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo now and he is from Anioma.

Obaseki is Anioma, so? He went to Bini and threw away his Igbo language and assimilated as a Bini person, does that now mean that Anioma should become one with Bini and throw away kinship with their Igbo speaking kins in the East.

An Igbo man is currently a senator in Italy and hold Italian citizenship. He even supports the racist Italian government. does it now mean that Igbos are one with Italians when we can't both communicate using our mother tongue?

Not everyone in SE is pro seccession, so leave secession out of it for now.
My point is that Igbo exists on both sides of River Niger.
And no matter all the odds stacked up against Igbo unity, encouraged by the likes of Edo, Ijaw and Igala who are looking to capitalize on current weak political state of the Igbo in Nigeria to annex Igbo speaking groups, we will prevail in the end.
Because in the end, birds of same feathers will always stick together.

Language alone does not establish identity. From Igbanke to Onitsha you will discover as an Igbo person that there are sufficient infusions of words with Edo origins and names that make it impossible for you to understand without an interpreter also. I schooled in UNN and at a time I had Kwale and Imo roommates. The Igbos definitely couldn't understand when the Ukwuanis were speaking their language. Apart from the fact that they formed part of an extensive empire, genetic testing will establish the truth once and for all!
Nnamdi Kanu once claimed that the Igbos originated from Israel. I know for a fact that genetic tests were conducted and that claim proved false! It's too late for empire building. If not for the selfishness and greed of Nigerian politicians (who hail from north, south, east and west), this country has potential, but it can never be great - whether as a whole or in fractions because of the people and modern day politics, including agitation for fractionalisation on grounds of tribe or religion or anything else!

whirlwind7:



If you can just take one minute to think and realize that all the state boundaries presently in existence in Nigeria were carved by your fellow humans mostly in military uniform, and that these boundaries were made for political expediency without consulting the native dwellers on those lands....
Then you'll understand that you're just making a lot of needless noise.

Igbos are found in parts of Delta, Edo and Benue states.
Igalas are found in parts of Anambra State.
Ijaws are found in parts of Ondo State. Same with Itsekiri.
Hausas are found in parts of North Central states whose majority ethnic groups are not Hausas.
Yorubas are found in parts of Kogi State.....
The list goes on and on.

To say that Igbos are the ones that drive you mad says a lot. I mean, if the entire Edo State decide today that they want to be an independent nation, and wants the Igbos within the geographical boundary identified as Edo state to be a part of it, do you know what Igbos would do?



Nothing!
Mostly nothing.
Igbos won't lose sleep over it.

This is because Igbos generally have realized one thing: humans will always adapt, adjust and find their level. The fittest will survive and thrive. The Igbos in those territories will thrive....and then you lots will start bellyaching over their trying to dominate you. Same as Yorubas are doing in Lagos. Though this is a slightly different analogy because Igbos aren't early settlers in Lagos and environs.

Igbos want to be left alone to chart their own course and forge their own destiny.
Your opinion on this as an Edo man (whatever that means) is totally inconsequential. Let us be. We aren't your problem, until you make us your problem. The Nigerian project has been so good to you, hasn't it?
And, the day an Igbo man will sit down to discuss the Edo nation (just like you are doing right now about Igbos) hell would freeze over.

Ask an average Igbo what he thinks about an Edo nation, and he will just shrug. Because it is a non issue. There are more important things to work on. I hope you and the guys you mentioned get to understand this.

Well spoken! The British came and subjugated the great Bini empire under the geographical entity called Nigeria. The issue is, if you are in numerical minority what's the point of substituting one dominator for another? We are all represented at the national assembly in Abuja. Our state governments are all indigenous. If they were all selfless and upstanding would there be a problem with the federation? Take a look at Southern Sudan to know what will happen if any part of Nigeria goes off on it's own - the same greedy bunch of politicians will continue to play ludo with the people's destinies!
If Major General J.T.U. Aguiyi Ironsi had not passed his atrocious unification decree which weakened the centre (federal government) at the expense of the region's, Nigeria would have been like Canada today! This has been Igboland's major contribution to the destiny of Nigeria, the problems we encounter today all originate from the error of one igboman. Do the Edos want a country? not by a long shot! After all we are not the ones doing business in every other persons villages.

Balkanization is not the answer. Fix the country. The confederacy in America wanted to go on their own and the rest of the country refused. A war was fought and won, and they created the greatest democracy in the world today.

whirlwind7:



If you can just take one minute to think and realize that all the state boundaries presently in existence in Nigeria were carved by your fellow humans mostly in military uniform, and that these boundaries were made for political expediency without consulting the native dwellers on those lands....
Then you'll understand that you're just making a lot of needless noise.

Look you are ignoring history on purpose and acting as if the world started with Nigeria and its politicians.

Well I already wrote this which you skipped on purpose:

Logycs:

You guys know only the word Biafra and know nothing about history.
Let me educate you a little bit:

1)Delta state was previously part of Bendel (Benin province and Delta province making up the same state)

2) Bendel was previously part of midwest (still Benin province and Delta province together)

3) Midwest was previously part of western region (Benin province and Delta province still together)

4) in the précolonial era, Benin province and Delta province were both part of Benin empire ruled by the Oba of Benin.

So tell me the link between Delta state and the south east, history seems to have failed to capture it.

Also the people in the south east claiming their ancestors migrated from Benin are actually justified by precolonial maps which show their current land as being part of Benin empire (they actually didn't migrate, they are still part of the empire). I will post some of these maps when I have the time

Logycs:

A bunch of stupid claims.
Aniomas are part and parcel of Benin empire, subjects only to the emperor like every other person in the empire.
Aniomas served in the highest echelon of the empire ! (Generals, traders, Prime minister...) By the way, the Anioma who reside in Benin city are undistinguishable from other Edos in Benin city, Chief Agho Obaseki is one. It is outsiders like you who keep saying lots of rubbish in order to draw division and serve your land grabbing purpose.

Also if you guys let an Anioma lead your Igbo political or secessionist groups well good for you, so long you understand that those Anioma whom you allow to lead your groups represent you the people of the south east and do not in any way represent the Anioma people.

Keep on dreaming...

Logycs:


Precolonial map of Benin empire:

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/64869/africae-tabula-nova-ortelius


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

You see, contrary to you I don't argue blindly.

I bet you can't even name any so called linguist who classified the language of the igbsnke as igboid, you just like the classification because you believe it serves your purpose. You would take it even if it were done by a monkey.

So they should be part of Biafra because an unnamed idiot said their language was "igboid" ?
Eventhough precolonial maps show them as being part of Benin empire ?

You even said "Edos whatever that means", you guys are really not familiar with history.
Obviously Edo is the name of the people of Benin empire and it is also the name of the language of the emperor.
I guess you are one of those ignorant ipobians who believe the word Edo is from "Edo-state" and don't know that it is the other way around. Why don't you brainwashed ipobians take time to educate yourselves on actual history instead of constantly beating your chest all day and pooing hate speech ?
Didn't you wonder why some of Oba Ovonramwen's pictures were captioned: "Omo n'Oba n'Edo" in 1897 ? The year the British empire defeated the Benin empire! Way before Nigeria was even created ?
Educate yourselves.
Way before the name Igbo came about, the name Edo was already written down.

Emmanuelcann:
Language alone does not establish identity. From Igbanke to Onitsha you will discover as an Igbo person that there are sufficient infusions of words with Edo origins and names that make it impossible for you to understand without an interpreter also. I schooled in UNN and at a time I had Kwale and Imo roommates. The Igbos definitely couldn't understand when the Ukwuanis were speaking their language. Apart from the fact that they formed part of an extensive empire, genetic testing will establish the truth once and for all!
Nnamdi Kanu once claimed that the Igbos originated from Israel. I know for a fact that genetic tests were conducted and that claim proved false! It's too late for empire building. If not for the selfishness and greed of Nigerian politicians (who hail from north, south, east and west), this country has potential, but it can never be great - whether as a whole or in fractions because of the people and modern day politics, including agitation for fractionalisation on grounds of tribe or religion or anything else!

You are not making sense. Language is the first marker of shared identity especially when no colonial force is at play.

Nope. There are no infusion of Edo words in Onitsha or Enuani. Its just in Ika. And many of those words are shared words between them and Edo, for all we know, they could have been the ones that influenced the Edos with those words and not the other way round.
Edo people that live close to Anioma also have their own Edo languages infiltrated with Igbo words from Anioma, does that now make them non Edoid? The answer is no! Your logic is flawed.
So you have no point. When two linguistic groups meet at the border, there is usually cross exchange from each other, its never one sided. If you are claiming that Anioma living close to Edo are no longer Igbos because they borrowed few words from Edo neighbors, then you must also accept that their Edo neighbors are no longer Edo, because they borrowed Igbo words from Anioma. But unfortunately, you lots are hypocritical and can't think critically.

Now know this. Igbo is a conglomerate of related tribes United by the fact that they share dialects of a big language whose mutual intelligibility exists in a straight line pattern. The closer two Igbo groups are , the greater the mutual intelligibility of their dialects and vice versa.
For example. An Enugu person who isn't well travelled would struggle to understandspoken Ukwuani at first time, because of the difference in intonation between Ukwuani Igbo and his own version igbo, caused by the great distance between Ukwuani and Enugu. He would need a period of adjustment to familiarize himself with how Ukwuani pronounce common Igbo words. Its not same as a non Igbo trying to learn Ukwuani from the scratch.

But an Oguta man in IMO state and an Ogbaru man in Anambra state who are the Igbos in SE that are direct neighbors to Ukwuani person, understand Ukwuani people 100percent. This because the advantage of proximity have allowed them to get conversant to the Ukwuani way of speaking Igbo, so much that their own way of speaking Igbo now mirror Ukwuani.
Now, the Orlu neighbors of Oguta in Imo understand Oguta, while we in Idemili understand Ogbaru.
The Okigwe neighbors or Orlu understand Orlu, just as Ihiala in Anambra neighbors of Orlu understand Orlu.
The Ihiala are understood by the Nnewi, Orumba and Aguata people in Anambra, while the Okigwe are understood by the Lokpanta in Abia , who are neighbors to Enugu people and who Enugu people understand his dialect.


So if you have a room of Igbos made up of Ukwuani, Oguta, Ogbaru, Orlu, Okigwe, Enugu, Lokpanta, Ihiala, Nnewi, Idemili, Ezza( Ebonyi) Igbos.

The Oguta and Ogbaru will happily chat in their local lects with the Ukwuani guys, while the other Igbos will chat wih the Ogbaru and Oguta to get the gist. We will all still depend on the Enugu guys to chat up the Ezza guy and reply to us in Enugu dialect.

This is how It works for any big Ethnic group. And that's why there are usually artificially created central dialect that everyone is expected to learn and understand easily, to ease communication amongst all groups.In Igbo, this central dialect is called Igbo Izugbe. Everyone understand Izugbe, including Ukwuani people.

By the way. No Anambra man from Idemili axis struggle to understand Enu ani(Aniocha/Oshimili) dialect. Its identical to how we speak.
Igbos are not Jews. We are ancient black race. NK is entitled to his opinions. But no Igbo tribe or clan other than Aguleri have history of migration from Israel.

Igboid:

I saw you making threats. You assume we are afraid of the igbo. Now that is amazing. So you guys will "descend on us and finish is off". Well it is good to dream, isn't it.
Your grand father's already had such dreams but at least they had the excuse of not having anybody try that crazyness before them. When it failed woefully and your grandfathers got their asses kicked, they learnt the lesson that you shouldn't grab other people's lands. Your young generation which didn't witness the war did not learn this lesson, don't worry, a lesson can be repeated again and again, untill the student finally learns.

Logycs:


I saw you making threats. You assume we are afraid of the igbo. Now that is amazing. So you guys will "descend on us and finish is off". Well it is good to dream, isn't it.
Your grand father's already had such dreams but at least they had the excuse of not having anybody try that crazyness before them. When it failed woefully and your grandfathers got their asses kicked, they learnt the lesson that you shouldn't grab other people's lands. Your young generation which didn't witness the war did not learn this lesson, don't worry, a lesson can be repeated again and again, untill the student finally learns.

What lesson? The war was Biafra vs the world. And no igbo man ever claimed lands without aboriginal Igbo speakers as part of Igboland.

Isn't it Ironic that an Edo like you whose ancestors acquired weapons from Portuguese slave masters that enabled you to invade these Igbo speaking communities and forcefully annex them into your dominion are here today talking about Igbo being land grabbers because we are telling you that your land grabbing empire days are long gone and that you should forget about those Igbo speaking communities because any further attempt at resuscitation of your empire will be resisted by Ndiigbo in SE, except in Anioma communities where the people willfully accept to be slaves of Oba for a second time?

Move on brother, you can't even convince the Esan and Afemai to accept the empire again, but you want to try your luck with Ndiigbo in Delta state? We will be watching you.

Igboid:


What lesson? The war was Biafra vs the world. And no igbo man ever claimed lands without aboriginal Igbo speakers as part of Igboland.

Isn't it Ironic that an Edo like you whose ancestors acquired weapons from Portuguese slave masters that enabled you to invade these Igbo speaking communities and forcefully annex them into your dominion are here today talking about Igbo being land grabbers because we are telling you that your land grabbing empire days are long gone and that you should forget about those Igbo speaking communities because any further attempt at resuscitation of your empire will be resisted by Ndiigbo in SE, except in Anioma communities where the people willfully accept to be slaves of Oba for a second time?

Move on brother, you can't even convince the Esan and Afemai to accept the empire again, but you want to try your luck with Ndiigbo in Delta state? We will be watching you.

Once again you speak out of ignorance.
The Portuguese met Benin empire at their first visit. They didn't help create it. And Benin empire traded spices, ivory and many other things with the Portuguese, slave trade wasn't our thing, which is why no part of our coast is within what was then called the slave coast.

Keep claiming Igbo fought the world, that certainly helps you deluded fools to take your ass beating and pretend you weren't conquered and that rather you did conquer.

Don't worry, next lesson is unloading and let us see your next excuse. This time you will claim you were fighting the universe. It is coming, just wait...

By the way, you fool, we will never attack our own brothers in Delta state. You think you can just devide us with these kind of stupid tricks ?
You the southeast ipobians, you are the ones whose ass will soon take a wooping once again and our Delta state brothers will lead the fight against your sorry asses.

Igboid:


Move on brother, you can't even convince the Esan and Afemai to accept the empire again, but you want to try your luck with Ndiigbo in Delta state? We will be watching you.

Sorry brother, I'm Etsako (Afemai) and I know my roots. My ancestors left Benin for our present homeland. We are 100% Edo. In this modern day it's very easy to determine origins with genetics, it's not something to be established by rhetorics on the web but scientific proof.
When you do get Biafra (which I hope for your sakes you do), your problems will not be about Edos but whether the Catholics or Anglicans or traditionalists will hold sway. You will also have to tackle the bias between Wawa, Ijekebe, Nsukka, Imo, Ebonyi, Ngwas etc, not to mention, can an OSU be President?
I'm not mocking, the point is that the problem is not about self governing units as in the people that govern them. My problem is with crooked and corrupt politicians from every clime. As long as they exist, don't think you can create utopia however industrious you can be!

Logycs:


Once again you speak out of ignorance.
The Portuguese met Benin empire at their first visit. They didn't help create it. And Benin empire traded spices, ivory and many other things with the Portuguese, slave trade wasn't our thing, which is why no part of our coast is within what was then called the slave coast.

Keep claiming Igbo fought the world, that certainly helps you deluded fools to take your ass beating and pretend you weren't conquered and that rather you did conquer.

Don't worry, next lesson is unloading and let us see your next excuse. This time you will claim you were fighting the universe. It is coming, just wait...

By the way, you fool, we will never attack our own brothers in Delta state. You think you can just devide us with these kind of stupid tricks ?
You the southeast ipobians, you are the ones whose ass will soon take a wooping once again and our Delta state brothers will lead the fight against your sorry asses.

Pa Iduwe from Agbor is of the opinion that until the Bini met the Portuguese and acquired guns with which they hunted for slaves East (Anioma) and West(Parts of Yoruba) , Bini was just a kingdom not more powerful than Agbor. Bini empire was a Portuguese creation.

Your empire was conquered by the British within a day. Arochukwu fought for a full year with the British before losing, it took British years to conquer Igboland.
You want to claim Nigerian victory during the civil war ? You want to hide behind that and claim victor?
You are obviously not well oriented.


So Anioma were not your people when you went around killing and pointing them out to the Nigerian soldiers to murder in Bini city during the Igbo pogrom? When Ojukwu appointment Dr Okonkwo as the administrator of Midwest region and you all started shouting of Igbo nepotism, so Okonkwo stopped being an Edo man then?
How many of you accepts that Nzeogwu is Edo and not Igbo. Or don't you know he is Anioma too?

You have no brothers in Anioma, you know it that they are not your brothers, you are just looking for a people to rule over, like your empire building fathers did in the past. You are stuck in the past.

Biafra troops over ran Bini in few days on our way to Lagos. Bini is never our problem. And we don't consider you enemies or friends. You just have to face Edo state and leave Ndiigbo in Delta state for that status quo to remain.

Emmanuelcann:
Sorry brother, I'm Etsako (Afemai) and I know my roots. My ancestors left Benin for our present homeland. We are 100% Edo. In this modern day it's very easy to determine origins with genetics, it's not something to be established by rhetorics on the web but scientific proof.
When you do get Biafra (which I hope for your sales you do), your problems will not be about Edos but whether the Catholics or Anglicans or traditionalists will hold sway. You will also have to take the bias between Wawa, Ijekebe, Nsukka, Imo, Ebonyi, Ngwas etc, not to mention, can an OSU be President?
I'm not mocking, the point is that the problem is not about self governing units as in the people that govern them. My problem is with crooked and corrupt politicians from every clime. As long as they exist, don't think you can create utopia however industrious you can be!

You are an Etsako? Cool.
Then stick with your Edo brothers. Try and get the Urhobos and Isokos if you can, they are your Edo people.

Remove your eyes from Igbo speaking lands. Igbo tribes have perfect understanding with each other. Its easier for an Ikechukwu from Ebonyi to relate with an Ikechukwu from Ogwashi uku.

I don't understand why you Edoids, Igala and Ijaw are interested in annexing Igbo speaking groups. Why would you want such? How can you communicate with them in Kporakpo meetings? Pidgin English?

Come on! Its not cool.

People will always be people. The United African is a powerful sign of the potential of the black man. Fix Nigeria. Forget the crooked politicians by whatever name so - called with their divisive tactics to fight their battles using their own children and kin, or else you will soon be fighting to fix the next country you get.

Igboid:

Look, I have shown several times that you know nothing about history.
You just believe in beating your chest.
The Igbo had no country. You were just a bunch of small autonomous tribes when the British conquest started.
You had no empire and weren't even a people.

The British are famous for saying they met the biggest resistance in the region from Benin.
Defeating Benin empire (the superpower of the region) was necessary for the British to open up the lands including what you now refer to as igboland.

Just keep deluding yourself and chest beating.
If you had some brain cells, you would rather spend your time trying to catch up with education.
So no, the british didn't defeat Benin empire in one day.
But this wouldn't make an impact on a guy who refuses to learn and just says whatever his ethnocentric feelings tells him.

History is not a thing you make up, it is a thing you investigate.

davidnazee:


When you make an analysis consider these 2 things.. The people and the Land.
If the people choose to be biafrans they are free to migrate to Biafra (east) land.. But the Land they currently occupy goes nowhere, will never be part of biafra, it belongs to Edo..

the indigenous people of that land have traditional, customary and legal claims to that land. If they choose to go with igbo because they share same language and culture with them, you can't take away their land from them. The head goes with the body. UN adopts this. Moreover they are not temporary holders of those lands.

davidnazee:


[s]The WESTERN IGBOS are allowed to beat with their kit and kins in the East.. That is called freedom of association.. Just like Igbos in other parts of Nigeria or abroad are allowed to beat with their Kins in Biafra (east igbo) but however the geographical area/lands they (western Igbos) occupy is not and will never be part of Biafra. It is Edo territories and will remain so.
so they are free to interact with their kins in the east or even go join them but must understand that that territory (delta north) is not Igbo land and will not be part of Biafra.[/s]

so says a nonentity who doesn't matter in the scheme of things.

flyingpig:
the indigenous people of that land have traditional, customary and legal claims to that land. If they choose to go with igbo because they share same language and culture with them, you can't take away their land from them. The head goes with the body. UN adopts this. Moreover they are not temporary holders of those lands.

It is weird that the people agitating are you guys in the south-east.
It is like if you believe others do not have a voice nor a will.
Obviously if people in other regions wanted to be part of Biafra then they would be agitating for it !
But nobody except you guys in the south east are agitating and you go further into talking on behalf of others.
So just shut the f up and have your south eastern Biafra.

Nobody but you guys want Biafra.

flyingpig:
so says a nonentity who doesn't matter in the scheme of things.

and you believe your are a "full"- entity who matters in the scheme of things ?
You don't, you and your fellow ipob are extremely deluded.

Logycs:


[s]I saw you making threats. You assume we are afraid of the igbo. Now that is amazing. So you guys will "descend on us and finish is off". Well it is good to dream, isn't it.
Your grand father's already had such dreams but at least they had the excuse of not having anybody try that crazyness before them. When it failed woefully and your grandfathers got their asses kicked, they learnt the lesson that you shouldn't grab other people's lands. Your young generation which didn't witness the war did not learn this lesson, don't worry, a lesson can be repeated again and again, untill the student finally learns[/s].

nonentity who is full of himself. All gas and air inside no influence or clout.

flyingpig:
nonentity who is full of himself. All gas and air inside no influence or clout.

you have just described Biafra and ipob and namadi kownu. Good for yourself.

Emmanuelcann:
Sorry brother, I'm Etsako (Afemai) and I know my roots. My ancestors left Benin for our present homeland. We are 100% Edo. In this modern day it's very easy to determine origins with genetics, it's not something to be established by rhetorics on the web but scientific proof.
When you do get Biafra (which I hope for your sakes you do), your problems will not be about Edos but whether the Catholics or Anglicans or traditionalists will hold sway. You will also have to tackle the bias between Wawa, Ijekebe, Nsukka, Imo, Ebonyi, Ngwas etc, not to mention, can an OSU be President?
I'm not mocking, the point is that the problem is not about self governing units as in the people that govern them. My problem is with crooked and corrupt politicians from every clime. As long as they exist, don't think you can create utopia however industrious you can be!

There will be no bias against Osus. It's a free world. Everybody who was a politician in would-be defunct Nigeria no matter how non-influential, nor influential your post was, will never be allowed to hold any position in the new republic. Conviction on corruption would be a capital crime and the convicted would be executed by firing squad under full public glare. Appointment to a state version of EFCC AND INEC would not be in the hands of the ruling party not to mention the ruling President as it currently is in would-be defunct Nigeria, which promotes electoral bias and investigational witch-hunt.

So many reforms would take place to make the new nation be on fast pedestal of development.

Logycs:
you have just described Biafra and ipob and namadi kownu. Good for yourself.

in the end, neither your opinion nor IPOB's will decide where Anioma would belong. It would be left in their hands and whatever their decision will be, must be guarded and enforced by UN. There is nothing you nor IPOB can do. When the time nears, they'll be like a beautiful bride being courted. Edo will make overtures to promise heaven on earth, so will IPOB promise legitimate freedom devoid of constitutional oppression. Like I said. In the end, it is not our( you nor my) decision to make.

Thank you.

Logycs:


Look, I have shown several times that you know nothing about history.
You just believe in beating your chest.
The Igbo had no country. You were just a bunch of small autonomous tribes when the British conquest started.
You had no empire and weren't even a people.

The British are famous for saying they met the biggest resistance in the region from Benin.
Defeating Benin empire (the superpower of the region) was necessary for the British to open up the lands including what you now refer to as igboland.

Just keep deluding yourself and chest beating.
If you had some brain cells, you would rather spend your time trying to catch up with education.
So no, the british didn't defeat Benin empire in one day.
But this wouldn't make an impact on a guy who refuses to learn and just says whatever his ethnocentric feelings tells him.

History is not a thing you make up, it is a thing you investigate.

Lol! Your ignorance stinks. Ever heard of the Nri Kingdom, Aro confederacy? You know nothing. Bini is a mushroom empire who had advantage of Portuguese supplied weaponry over her western Igbo and Eastern Yoruba(Owo and Akure) neighbors. It was a good head start you made count but was soon lost when everyone else acquired the white man weapons. Even Ubulu uku walloped Bini in war.

The British took just 3days day to ransack Bini, captured the weak Oba and sent him on exile in Calabar.
The Western Igbos were even more difficult to conquer. Powered by the Isu mba fulu ogu ju nni of Igbo uzo in Anioma, the "Aya Ekumeku" of the western Igbos lasted for years and until the end of it, the British couldn't exercise dominion over western Igbo.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekumeku_Movement

In the entire Nigeria, the British met the greatest documented resistance in Igboland, both Western and Eastern Igboland.
Its,not by claiming mushroom empire that can't resist foreign power.

flyingpig:
There will be no bias against Osus. It's a free world. Everybody who was a politician in would-be defunct Nigeria no matter how non-influential, nor influential your post was, will never be allowed to hold any position in the new republic. Conviction on corruption would be a capital crime and the convicted would be executed by firing squad under full public glare. Appointment to a state version of EFCC AND INEC would not be in the hands of the ruling party not to mention the ruling President as it currently is in would-be defunct Nigeria, which promotes electoral bias and investigational witch-hunt.

So many reforms would take place to make the new nation be on fast pedestal of development.

Honestly, if you can achieve this, it would be utopia. I will migrate to Naze, Owerri where I did my youth service with my wife (who's delta Igbo). Who knows?

Emmanuelcann:
Honestly, if you can achieve this, it would be utopia. I will migrate to Naze, Owerri where I did my youth service with my wife (who's delta Igbo). Who knows?

Lmao I couldn't stop laughing honestly.
Well I'm not even for this IPOB style of secession. Left for me they'd never succeed. If another Biafra will come, it won't be under this particular IPOB where insulting the global power who are the sole persons in charge for pressing for a plebiscite, is the order of the day. Definitely the wrong approach to go about it. I hope they make an overture, or this Biafra won't come under them.
Regards, brother.

flyingpig:
Lmao I couldn't stop laughing honestly.
Well I'm not even for this IPOB style of secession. Left for me they'd never succeed. If another Biafra will come, it won't be under this particular IPOB where insulting the global power who are the sole persons in charge for pressing for a plebiscite, is the order of the day. Definitely the wrong approach to go about it. I hope they make an overture, or this Biafra won't come under them.
Regards, brother.

I knew for sure that you're enlightened. Debate should be courteous with respect to individuals rights and freedoms to show that we're civilized, not bitter, rancourous and insultive. We all want to live peacefully with our neighbors in pursuit of happiness but politicians the world over will never allow it. How else would they prey on us? People are the same everywhere, created by one God.