iamoyindamola:

I don't understand your screen shots at all

Lol

Spy360:
E be like say one rat don miss road o...

Fkhalifa cone and carry your pet rat out of here before thunder fire am

Let's shut him up by winning the Premiership next season

Jodera:
You see that thing bolded there... That's one thing I feel you fail to grasp about our win. Granted we won man city with good defensive solidity, but is that how you want our solidity to be every match? Like always parking the bus against Liverpools and man citys and maybe Southampton and Aston Villas of the world? We know there's disparity between our team and those two, but that's why we packed the bus cos we're the underdogs. What I'm trying to say is, we can't use those 2(Liverpool and man city wins) as example when bringing up case of defending cos what we did in those two games was community/packing the bus defending which cannot be sustainable in a league if you're aiming for top4.

Talk your truth, if arsenal play that way(the way we played Liverpool and man city), against everybody in the league, will you still love the club, and would we go far? I'll leave you to answer that silently yourself.

Also I remember us beating a man city side 2-0 3-4yrs ago(cazorla and giroud were the scorers). If I were to choose between that 2-0 and this, I will 100x choose that one cos that have everything. We controlled midfield, we attacked and we defended well. And who were the important and highly rated players that match .....Cazorla and coquelin. Our midfield dominated theirs sotey Silva loss for pitch. We had shots and shots on target and our defence wasn't under intense pressure. That's the kinda arsenal I'm hoping and praying for not this fa cup type of arsenal that won man city.

Brother I will not expect us to play that way in every game. There are games against smaller teams that the attack needs to provide the win like against Villa. But against tougher teams it's the defense that matters more to provide the win. That's why I said both attack and defense are needed. But that between the two, it's defense that actually ensures that you remain competitive.

I have explained before that with a guaranteed defense you CANNOT lose. That's the secret of the Italian WC winning team. And many others also.

Let me reiterate that both defense and attack must be good to win a title but defense is that department that ensures it's possible.

Fkhalifa:

Let's shut him up by winning the Premiership next season

Na by force to win PL?

Jodera:
Good defence, good midfield and average attack will yield you top 3-5

Average defence, good midfield and good attack will surely land you top 2-4. If the contending teams aren't strong enough, you fit carry league sef.

Let's use real teams.

Liverpool scored less than City but are champions. In fact City has 15 more goals than Liverpool and a better goal difference but are 8pts worse. Both have good attacks but Liverpool has the better defense.

Sheffield has scored just 38goals. That's relegation figure, as West Ham has scored 48. But Sheffield United are contesting for Europe while West Ham were facing relegation struggles.

Selah

Spy360:

Brother I will not expect us to play that way in every game. There are games against smaller teams that the attack needs to provide the win like against Villa. But against tougher teams it's the defense that matters more to provide the win. That's why I said both attack and defense are needed. But that between the two, it's defense that actually ensures that you remain competitive.

I have explained before that with a guaranteed defense you CANNOT lose. That's the secret of the Italian WC winning team. And many others also.

Let me reiterate that both defense and attack must be good to win a title but defense is that department that ensures it's possible.

Hian, we both agree on the bolded since na. Our bone of contention here is "what is arsenal main priority to ensure top 4 next season"? You said defence, I said midfield and attack. We're not talking about title. We won't meet man city and Liverpool every weekend, but you see those small teams. Na almost every weekend. So, wen we're not expected to park the bus, is it defence that will put us in the driving seat or midfield/attack?

Spy360:

Let's use real teams.

Liverpool scored less than City but are champions. In fact City has 15 more goals than Liverpool and a better goal difference but are 8pts worse. Both have good attacks but Liverpool has the better defense.

Sheffield has scored just 38goals. That's relegation figure, as West Ham has scored 48. But Sheffield United are contesting for Europe while West Ham were facing relegation struggles.

Selah

Lol.
So what about arsenal and Chelsea?. At least arsenal conceded way less goals than Chelsea.
Also, in 2016/2017 season when Chelsea carried the league, Chelsea conceded more goals than Tottenham (33 to 26.) Yet Chelsea was the winner why Tottenham was 2nd.
You know what, we can keep on churning this debate up and down till we clear all the whole bush wey we don beat finish ...lol, but by next season, if we don't improve our midfield and attack, you personally will still keep on blaming the defence without knowing the root cause.

You might say our defence cost us points against Leicester(1-1), Aston (1-0), but I'll solemnly tell you it's attack.

Jodera:
Hian, we both agree on the bolded since na. Our bone of contention here is "what is arsenal main priority to ensure top 4 next season"? You said defence, I said midfield and attack. We're not talking about title. We won't meet man city and Liverpool every weekend, but you see those small teams. Na almost every weekend. So, wen we're not expected to park the bus, is it defence that will put us in the driving seat or midfield/attack?

OK. Sorry for the digression.

I think our business in defense has been concluded. The signing of Saliba, Mari and Luiz's extension concluded that. Unless one of our older clowns gets sold, I don't think any new defender will join us.

Based on the above, I will not contest your statement. Rather I would say it's the midfield first then the attack. We sincerely need a DM, AM and a winger. But they must be top quality, if not no need to waste money.

The bolded is the reason I am calling on the Kroenkes to man up for the club.

Jodera:
Lol.
So what about arsenal and Chelsea?. At least arsenal conceded way less goals than Chelsea.
Also, in 2016/2017 season when Chelsea carried the league, Chelsea conceded more goals than Tottenham (33 to 26.) Yet Chelsea was the winner why Tottenham was 2nd.
You know what, we can keep on churning this debate up and down till we clear all the whole bush wey we don beat finish ...lol, but by next season, if we don't improve our midfield and attack, you personally will still keep on blaming the defence without knowing the root cause.

You might say our defence cost us points 1against Leicester(1-1), Aston (1-0), but I'll solemnly tell you it's attack.

Seems I wasn't digressing afterall...

But you see the emboldened, the logic is simple...

~If you don't concede you won't lose~

I understand our attack have their problems especially when they are set up wrongly, but ultimately it's the defense that ensures you don't lose a game.

You need attack to score the goals to make you win, but it's the defense that makes you stay relevant in a competition.

I have played amateur soccer and even coached my university team and can assure you that for any manager, the top priority is your defense after that your midfield and attack.

Spy360:

Na by force to win PL?

Bro you're Wengerized already.
Even top can't give me any special joy again.
The Arsenal family need the Sanchez mentality.Reason why'll always wish Guen well.

Roland17:
Forgive me but are you guys even reading and understanding what you are arguing?

Let me argue from the stand point that we are not playing to win the league, our focus is the top 4, so who are our competitors for top 4?

Leceister, Wolves, Tottenhan, Manchester United, Chelsea and Sheffield, right?

Well, tell me what you see from the attached screen! I don't have time for epistles!!!

The first one is data for goals conceded this season (2019/2020), the 2nd is the number of goals we scored last season.

Don't worry I know why I am using 2 different seasons for 2 different records. Na for here I go catch una!

The season we scored well, we were close to 4th.
Yes, we might have conceded lots, but per game I'm sure highest we concede is 2. How often do our so World class forward score 2+ in a game or even create good goal scoring chances per game.

N.B, Ability to kill games off or dominate possession after 1/2 goals up plays huge role.

Our point is, the defence isn't worst as painted, it is average enough to make top4 if the midfield and attack is very good.

iamoyindamola:

Why did you reply it
Everyone ignored the lunatic until you made yourself available, allow it to continue it free madness na

Keep crying,your tears can't win you this,lailai

Spy360:

OK. Sorry for the digression.

I think our business in defense has been concluded. The signing of Saliba, Mari and Luiz's extension concluded that. Unless one of our older clowns gets sold, I don't think any new defender will join us.

Based on the above, I will not contest your statement. Rather I would say it's the midfield first then the attack. We sincerely need a DM, AM and a winger. But they must be top quality, if not no need to waste money.

The bolded is the reason I am calling on the Kroenkes to man up for the club.

Finally, we've agreed on the issue.

Fkhalifa:


Bro you're Wengerized already.
Even top can't give me any special joy again.
The Arsenal family need the Sanchez mentality.Reason why'll always wish Guen well.

I can't just say we would/should win the PL when I know the basis has not been put in place. The likes of Liverpool and City still have the squad, while Chelsea and United are open to strengthening their squad with any potential they can lay their hands on.

We don't have a sugar daddy like those clubs do, and so we have to wait till Arteta does some magic and bring the players we already have up to speed.

iamoyindamola:
I saw the new kits today, it was okay

we are to wear it versus Watford in the final premier league match of the season

I will

Roland17:


I take God beg you, nobody should post any pictures of that rubbish here!!!

Fkhalifa:

The season we scored well, we were close to 4th.
Yes, we might have conceded lots, but per game I'm sure highest we concede is 2. How often do our so World class forward score 2+ in a game or even create good goal scoring chances per game.

N.B, Ability to kill games off or dominate possession after 1/2 goals up plays huge role.

Our point is, the defence isn't worst as painted, it is average enough to make top4 if the midfield and attack is very good.

Kudos, you are the only one who kind of understands the direction of my argument when I droped those attachments. If we scored more and still finished outside of the top 4 for 3 consecutive seasons, shouldn't that be a pointer as to where we need to improve upon? We are an average team overall, we lack quality in numerous departments and that is buttressed in our results. Consequently, expectiing us to score more than 3 goals a game to assure a W is desperately unachievable!

How many goals are our competitiors (Spurs, Leciester, Wolves, Sheffield, Manchester United and Chelsea) scoring per game and how many are they conceding per game? I said this before that I am worried we have successfully absolved the clowns we parade at the back of their blame and now sholdering it on the midfielders. The midfielders are now to blame for issues with our attack and defense. The fact that you even think our defense is average makes all the case.

"No one ever lost a football game for not conceding"

You guys can have all the money, use all the money to revamp our attack!!!! I don gree! But na next season I dey wait for una after all the revamping.

Roland17:


Kudos, you are the only one who kind of understands the direction of my argument when I droped those attachments. If we scored more and still finished outside of the top 4 for 3 consecutive seasons, shouldn't that be a pointer as to where we need to improve upon? We are an average team overall, we lack quality in numerous departments and that is buttressed in our results. Consequently, expectiing us to score more than 3 goals a game to assure a W is desperately unachievable!

How many goals are our competitiors (Spurs, Leciester, Wolves, Sheffield, Manchester United and Chelsea) scoring per game and how many are they conceding per game? I said this before that I am worried we have successfully absolved the clowns we parade at the back of their blame and now sholdering it on the midfielders. The midfielders are now to blame for issues with our attack and defense. The fact that you even think our defense is average makes all the case.

"No one ever lost a football game for not conceding

Food for thought

Roland17:


Kudos, you are the only one who kind of understands the direction of my argument when I droped those attachments. If we scored more and still finished outside of the top 4 for 3 consecutive seasons, shouldn't that be a pointer as to where we need to improve upon? We are an average team overall, we lack quality in numerous departments and that is buttressed in our results. Consequently, expectiing us to score more than 3 goals a game to assure a W is desperately unachievable!

How many goals are our competitiors (Spurs, Leciester, Wolves, Sheffield, Manchester United and Chelsea) scoring per game and how many are they conceding per game? I said this before that I am worried we have successfully absolved the clowns we parade at the back of their blame and now sholdering it on the midfielders. The midfielders are now to blame for issues with our attack and defense. The fact that you even think our defense is average makes all the case.

"No one ever lost a football game for not conceding"

Thank you.
I feel in recent years, teams have improved a lot and our attack may just be good on paper but average and behind the Leicester,Wolves and Spurs.
Why we asked the forward to create and bury chances is because of PAL and the hype around them.
You rightly said we lack quality in almost every department and not just the defense.

Roland17:
You guys can have all the money, use all the money to revamp our attack!!!! I don gree! But na next season I dey wait for una after all the revamping.

Mesef wan see how Kolibaly and Upamenco can take Arsenal to UCL.. I'll eat my words and agree with you people's notion.

Fkhalifa:

Mesef wan see how Kolibaly and Upamenco can take Arsenal to UCL.. I'll eat my words and agree with you people's notion.

Haha!!!

Ooooin!!!! Baba, I no gree!!!.. Make una take all the money use am refurbish our attack. Na wen we spend all that money for attack and still finish outside top 4 na him I go get una time.

Spy360:

The best attack won. But if Chelsea had a solid defence, they probably would have won 3-0. #fact

No need to argue anymore he had succumb to the fact unconsciously at the bolded which means if our attack is good enough we should be in top4/5

Spy360:

Chelsea lost to Liverpool despite scoring 3 at Anfield.

In summary, Liverpool attack is more deadly than Chelsea attack which made them won...

We beat City because Luiz was MOTM. Our tight defensive structure ensured that the attack was potent

We won them because our attackers buried our slight chances nd their attackers failed to...

Roland17:


Haha!!!

Ooooin!!!! Baba, I no gree!!!.. Make una take all the money use am refurbish our attack. Na wen we spend all that money for attack and still finish outside top 4 na him I go get una time.

Midfield nko

You guys have a committee of clowns in central defence but think the problem is in attack.

I laugh in OtemAtum.

afrodoc2:
You guys have a committee of clowns in central defence but think the problem is in attack.

I laugh in OtemAtum.

Don't laugh in me, laugh in yourself like this

OtemAtum:

Don't laugh in me, laugh in yourself like this

For a very big laugh I have to laugh in the most high....... Just the way I would laugh if I was very high.

afrodoc2:


For a very big laugh I have to laugh in the most high....... Just the way I would laugh if I was very high.

How can I be the most high. Jehovah is the most high, according to their songs. I don't even high at all, but I'm the highest of all gods of history presently sha.

OtemAtum:
How can I be the most high. Jehovah is the most high, according to their songs. I don't even high at all, but I'm the highest of all gods of history presently sha.

Presently? Do you gods have a coefficient system like UEFA?

afrodoc2:
You guys have a committee of clowns in central defence but think the problem is in attack.

I laugh in OtemAtum.

You can laugh in otem or atum or both, but you like the media is over exaggerating that our cb issues.
Esp wen we have
Mari
Saliba(hoping he comes good)
Holding
Chambers
Luiz.
Mustafi
At least, these 6 are ok for first eleven and squad depth.

Who do we have in midfield and attack?

OK, doc. Assuming we have van dijk and koulibali, can you name a first team (11) for arsenal lemme see your lineup(include the van dijk and koulibaly)

Jodera:
You can laugh in otem or atum or both, but you like the media is over exaggerating that our cb issues.
Esp wen we have
Mari
Saliba(hoping he comes good)
Holding
Chambers
Luiz.
Mustafi
At least, these 6 are ok for first eleven and squad depth.

Who do we have in midfield and attack?

OK, doc. Assuming we have van dijk and koulibali, can you name a first team (11) for arsenal lemme see your lineup(include the van dijk and koulibaly)

Let me simplify it for you. I will take Aubameyang, Saka, Ceballos and Martinelli from your team into my squad right now. Nelson, Nketiah are to be decided. I no send Lacasera.

But I won’t touch any of your Clown’s conference of central defenders with a 785ft pole if the fate of the human race depended on it.

Is it until Holding, Chambers, Mustafi and Luiz wear dunce’s caps unto the pitch before you recognize them for what they are?