nengibo:


This also isn't entirely true, you're making generalizations.
I'm not even talking Ikwerre individuals because their opinions on ethnicity may differ based on who you meet, I'm talking about recognised Ikwerre organizations lile Ogbakor Ikwerre that say they aren't Igbos, now in that same regard which recognized pan Ibani or pan Kalabari group in that same mould of Ogbakor Ikwerre has come out to reject the Ijaw ethnic tag

Afam4eva:

The problem with some of you is that you don't read between the lines. I never said that Kalabari or Okrika people are not Ijaws. I'm saying that i've met few people from these places who say they are not Ijaw. It's that simple. There's no grand rejection of the Ijaw tag like you would have with Ikwerres concerning Igbo.

nengibo:

As long as you have clarified this, because if you are aware of the above, you shouldn't have brought up Kalabari, Okirika people's Ijawness as a comparison to the Ikwerre Igboness

bigpriik:
What do Igbos stand to loose if Ikwere is excluded from BiAfra? is Ikwere the only Igbo tribe in Rivers state?one thing is for sure if a referendum is conducted in rivers today biafra will surely win ichies, omuma,obigbo and may be ogba/ndoni if Ikwere likes let them join in Niger delta who cares.

Seerade029:


Lol, the culture is influenced from Benin and urhobos.

Owo culture is also influenced by Benins.

Any where you see OPC (Oduduwa people congress), it's a Yoruba land.

it's in kwara and kogi.

Bigsunny01:





Stop saying what u don't know my friend

OfoIgbo:


The bolded is further proof that you are still Yoruba instead of a southern minority.

Ikwerres and Etches claim that their ancestor was a man named AKALAKA, who came from Benin.
Akalaka is not a Bini word. The name is an Igbo word which means DESTINY.

Eventually NRI people will help decipher the extent of ana Igbo

kollinzgee:


The problem is if you are truly from Benin why is the no Benin traces in your language its impossible for a group of people to loose their mother tongue totally..and secondly don't forget the Benin colonised anioma during the era of great Benin empire it even reached onitsha. when people colonise you they impose their traditions on you just like the British colonised us and today we dress like them (suit and tie) and speak like them but yet we retained our mother tongue..

nengibo:

As long as you have clarified this, because if you are aware of the above, you shouldn't have brought up Kalabari, Okirika people's Ijawness as a comparison to the Ikwerre Igboness

Cyberterror:
I have heard a Kalabari man say that he is not Ijaw in my presence and in the presence of his best friend who was Ijaw from Delta state.

SaintBishop:

Nope it is not the same ikwerred denial being Igbo's.

Kalabari and co never denial being ijaws.

As for the language can an ebony man understand the language of an IMO state or anambra man?
Seeing as they don't understand each other that means Ebony people are are not Igbos.

Tranquill:


Yes it's all about your Biafran agenda and not genuine conviction that Ikwerre is Igbo. You need a platform to keep you attached with the South South.

You don't want to be in Nigeria but want to force yourself on the minorities because you feel you'll be in a position to do what you are accusing the northerners of doing and even worse. All those people you mentioned should also decide who they are and where they want to belong. Countries are not formed strictly by lumping the same ethnicity under one umbrella. Luxembourg, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Belgium and some other European countries still have native French and Germans but they are in different countries. Start your Biafra with your 5 Eastern states or even a few local government areas first then when you turn it to your Dubai as you claim, the rest of Nigeria and not just the South South will beg you to join.

vicenzo:



Yes! Because some of us realized long ago that these groups have nothing really game changing to offer SE in Nigeria and post Nigeria.
We figured out that the more you try to argue these things with them, the more they get a feeling and false sense of importance.

We also figured out that these groups especially the Ikwerre are only going to be a liability to us as far as our long term objectives are concerned. Now I am not going to say why we think so here. But I will let you figure it out yourself.


Let me ask you?

What would Ikwerre accepting they are Igbo do for Ndiigbo?

They don't have quality human resources in Ikwerreland.

Their crude oil is about the least in quantity in Rivers state. Its meagre
They don't have sea access, as you would still need to pass through Ijaw controlled rivers to get to the Atlantic from Ikwerreland. An option we already have at Obuaku Ndoki Abia state.

Ikwerre has only one modern city, PH, which is shaping into another Jerusalem, because they now share this city with Okirika, who are aligned to Izons. Post Nigeria disintegration, PH will burn from clashes between the two if they don't find a common ground.
Ph on its,own is a third world city not better than what we have in.SE which we share with no one.
Do we really what to be involved with Ikwerre mess in PH when we can devote our time and effort at better things?


I see nothing to gain from Ikwerre and other Igbo denials by Ndiigbo. Really nothing.
If I have my way,all Ikwerre persons would all be banned and expelled from all Igbo associations, whether they accept Igbo tag or not. And open hate directed towards them as a retaliation whenever they exhibit Igbophobia, by orientation of our people towards such goal.

Yujin:

Do not put your mouth in what you know nothing about. Have you ever in your life go to Ebonyi to listen to how they speak?

Yujin:

Do not put your mouth in what you know nothing about. Have you ever in your life go to Ebonyi to listen to how they speak?

vicenzo:



Yes! Because some of us realized long ago that these groups have nothing really game changing to offer SE in Nigeria and post Nigeria.
We figured out that the more you try to argue these things with them, the more they get a feeling and false sense of importance.

We also figured out that these groups especially the Ikwerre are only going to be a liability to us as far as our long term objectives are concerned. Now I am not going to say why we think so here. But I will let you figure it out yourself.


Let me ask you?

What would Ikwerre accepting they are Igbo do for Ndiigbo?

They don't have quality human resources in Ikwerreland.

Their crude oil is about the least in quantity in Rivers state. Its meagre
They don't have sea access, as you would still need to pass through Ijaw controlled rivers to get to the Atlantic from Ikwerreland. An option we already have at Obuaku Ndoki Abia state.

Ikwerre has only one modern city, PH, which is shaping into another Jerusalem, because they now share this city with Okirika, who are aligned to Izons. Post Nigeria disintegration, PH will burn from clashes between the two if they don't find a common ground.
Ph on its,own is a third world city not better than what we have in.SE which we share with no one.
Do we really what to be involved with Ikwerre mess in PH when we can devote our time and effort at better things?


I see nothing to gain from Ikwerre and other Igbo denials by Ndiigbo. Really nothing.
If I have my way,all Ikwerre persons would all be banned and expelled from all Igbo associations, whether they accept Igbo tag or not. And open hate directed towards them as a retaliation whenever they exhibit Igbophobia, by orientation of our people towards such goal.

Tranquill:


All this gibberish is because Ikwerre people told you that they are not Igbo. You can not force your identity on a people who know their history, just because of your Biafra agenda. It will not work. If not being Igbo means hating Igbo in your own interpretation, does that not make you stupid?

Ikwerre does not have human resources so tell me, what is your definition of human resources? Is it Doctors, lawyers, engineers, governors, vice chancellors, professors, judges or what that you can't find in Ikwerreland? Ikwerre as small as they are, have produced two National presidents of the Nigerian Bar Association yet they don't human resources? It shows how chronically daft you are. The only human resources I agree with you that the Ikwerre people don't have are drug peddlers to Thailand and Vietnam who later start crying 'I am not proud to be a Nigerian' when they get caught, Ikwerres can't boast of drug rats in the streets of Malaysia and South Africa. Ikwerre people also dont do money rituals so that they can get chieftaincy titles and move about with touts. Just move on with your hate and no one cares.

SonOfEl:


You Ikwerre igbo-deniers will soon eat your words. Your denial isn't even polite, you deny as if your estranged kinsmen have a plague.

Lol.....don't worry, our shame of having a demented kinsman who militantly deny his Igbo heritage has gotten to its closure. WE. NO. SEND. UNA. AGAIN.

If you like change the "rumu" back to "umu", you are still inconsequential.

God bless the obigbo and egbema who still maintain their igbo heritage.

Tranquill:


All this gibberish is because Ikwerre people told you that they are not Igbo. You can not force your identity on a people who know their history, just because of your Biafra agenda. It will not work! If not being Igbo means hating Igbo in your own interpretation, does that not make you stupid?

Ikwerre does not have human resources so tell me, what is your definition of human resources? Is it Doctors, lawyers, engineers, governors, vice chancellors, professors, judges or what that you can't find in Ikwerreland? Ikwerre as small as they are, have produced two National presidents of the Nigerian Bar Association yet they don't human resources? It shows how chronically daft you are. The only human resources I agree with you that the Ikwerre people don't have are drug peddlers to Thailand and Vietnam who later start crying 'I am not proud to be a Nigerian' when they get caught, Ikwerres can't boast of drug rats in the streets of Malaysia and South Africa, 419 etc. Ikwerre people also dont do money rituals so that they can get chieftaincy titles and move about with touts. Just move on with your hate and no one cares!!

oyatz:
1) Obviously you don't know the Ogori-Mangogos. You can Google them or visit their Facebook page.

2) Awolowo was a great Politician but never the leader of the Yorubas.
Throughout his life, there were great Yoruba politicians who were not in the same political parties with him.

Awolowo had nothing to do with Awori.
He was from Ikenne, a small town in Remoland.

3) Civil War happens all over the world, it's not a pecular thing to Nigeria and don't define or change ethnic identities.

4) Ethnic groups are man-made groupings and are NOT grouped into water tight divisions.

5) Ethnic groups overlap in all parts of the world where people live in close proximity unlike in the desert or thick jungles where people live in isolated communities for long time.

6) Ethnic groups are NOT permanently fixed, they dissolve and evolve with time.

Where are the Biblical Jebbusites, the Hittites, Moabites and the Amonites now?

Where now are the Celts, Saxon, Anglos, the Vikings, the Vandals of Medieval Britain?

In 1256, there were no ethnic groups called Yoruba, Fulanis, Igbos or Hausa.

7) In the long run, ethnic groups are SELF identified groups. We are who we say we are.

vicenzo:


Ogori mangogo was never grouped as a Yoruba sub group at any time in history. They always maintained they were distinct. I know Ogori mangogo well, I have even been there.

2. Awolowo was Yoruba political leader when he was alive and his emergence helped nip Ijebu Yoruba denial on the bud.

3. Wars and persecution affect people self esteem leading to self denial. War divided Germany into East and West, the Manchurians started denying their identity with many of them claiming Han after the fall of China to British with the Han Chinese blaming the Manchurians for the fall.
So you are wrong. The persecution that post civil war Nigeria subjected Igbos under is the key driver of identity crisis in hitherto proud Igbo groups outside SE.

4. Ethnic groups might be man made, but common mother language and culture is not man made . Its a natural process.

5. True. Like many Akoko Ondo communities are actually Edoid speakers though claim Yoruba identity and speak Yoruba as a second language.

6. Hmm.

7. I disagree. You are not who you say you are, if not any one can wake up one day and claim to be a lawyer and enter court room to litigate?
Or I can wake up oneday and say that I am now Yoruba, that my ancestors migrated from Ife?

You can't wake up oneday and change your identity, because your identity doesn't exist in isolation, its connected to those around you.

The problem Ndiigbo has with Ikwerre identity is that for it to stand, they have to lie against Ndiigbo, they have to erase our own history by presenting us in the mould of empire builders who colonized them and imposed our language on them, or as supermen who has the powers to make a people to abandon their own mother tongue and take up our own just by merely interacting with them.
They have to toy with our intelligence by telling us they showed up here on Bini language when our ancestors told us they havd always been Igbo speaking.

The normal Igbo don't care about Ikwerre, problem is that Ikwerre identity as independent ethnicity cannot stand without them first of all distorting Igbo history and presenting Ndiigbo in bad light. Ikwerre nationalism is built on Igbophobia which starts with distortion of our ancestors history, and its in trying to challenge these historical distortions of Ikwerres against Ndiigbo that an independent onlooker get the feeling that Ndiigbo is forcing Ikwerre to be Igbo, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

mrvitalis:

Oga that's not true

oyatz:
Okay, what is the true picture?




Is there any DNA that is exclusive to a particular tribe and can NOT be found elsewhere?

mrvitalis:
Google is your friend ... DNA can be traced to your great great great 12 generation father's tribe ...it's simple

oyatz:
You haven't answered my question;

Is there any DNA that is ONLY among one tribe and can NOT be found elsewhere?



*One person doesn't make a tribe.

SaintBishop:
I will put my mouth as long as you igbos keep interfering in ijaw people business duh.

And yes,Ebonyi man can't understand an anambra man when he speak his language this I know for sure, i have seen it with my own eyes.

Dartilo:



What I heard back then warri is a Benin word abi

Tranquill:


Ikwerre people don't deny Igbo as if they have plague. Ikwerre people saying they are not Igbo is because they know their history and doesn't translate to hating Igbo as most of you interpret it even though in your hearts you don't see Ikwerre people as real Igbos. Many Ikwerre men and even women are married to Igbos and you can not marry the daughter of someone you hate or your enemy no matter how beautiful she is. But the attitude and utterances of most of you are extremely hostile and insulting just because one is not accepting the tag of being an Igbo. You guys should move on and stop forcing yourself on others.

chiiraq802:
History says United States of America migrated from Britain.... Both United States of America and Britain speaks English....but you can never identify a US man as a British man despite the fact they migrated from UK....


Allow people identify with there various ethnic groups in Nigeria,,,
abeg!!! we no dey 1960


Meanwhile.... we have more than 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria alone, Igbo is one of them likewise Ikwerre.
I no understand why a particular ethnic group would want to colonize another ethnic group, for this computer generation ahhhaaahhh!!!!

spiritmasquerad:

That would be inaccurate due to intermarriage with community of Igbo decent that has been going on from when our people migrated from Bini