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Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 1:57pm On Jul 26, 2020 |
Faces of churches are men with flesh and blood like ours- whatever can affect you have the tendency to affect them too. They are not God, but we seem to make them one. Stop treating them as if they are God because you are not helping them by so doing. That is like boxing them into a corner, making them to always assume the branded faces while forgetting to work on their weaknesses. I like to let you know that they need whatever they are telling you just the way you do. I sometimes personally don’t want to be too close to a man of God because the nearer you are to them, the less of God and more of man you see- you will realise they have family issues of their own and sometimes fears and weaknesses. And don’t ever join those castigating them because they are oracles of God (they are not ordinary men). Please stop it henceforth- that is easiest way you can meet your downfall (doom). For further understanding please visit www.rhemaformula.com 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 6:25pm On Jul 28, 2020 |
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Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by Kobojunkie: 10:22pm On Jul 28, 2020 |
oluminnic:Your so-called MOG were not even meant to present themselves as "Teachers" to the flock that belongs to God. And so by doing just that, they placed themselves in God's seat in the minds of the flock they were meant to instead tend(care for). The blame is upon your so-called MOGs as well, and as Jesus Christ said, it would be better for them that a millstone were tied around their necks and they cast in to the sea, than to face judgement for the deception they have instead wrought in the name of God.
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Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 2:33pm On Jul 29, 2020 |
I know great reputable men of God in Nigeria like E.A. Adeoye, Oyedepo, Oyakhilome, to mention just a few. I also understand there are fake pastors (names withheld) and there are many YouTube MOGs (like Ifedayo Olarinde (Daddy Freeze), Pastor Adelaja, Joseph Okechukwu etc) that specialise in pointing accusing fingers at others. I can also tell you of a popular herbalist in my hometown who suddenly built a churchlike shrine and called it a church. When asked for the reason he said many of the people that patronise him are founders of churches and as a business-oriented person he has to rebrand his work to attract more pastors. When people that shouldn’t come near church start daring church then you cannot avoid so many things. This was already foreseen. Bible says the tiny seed becomes a mighty tree and birds of every kinds (both good and bad) come to put their nests on it (Matthew 13:32, Ezekiel 17:23). God can expel the bad ones from the start but rather God will permit all to grow together till the last days (Matthew 13:30). God will do the sorting by Himself (Matthew 13:30). Nobody is a fool (not in Nigeria of today), those that go to fake pastors know why they are there (definitely, not because they want to get close to God). Trying to castigate is not only dangerous but not biblical. Let us desist from that. To read more about Church 'business' concept visit https://rhemaformula.com/the-concept-of-church/ |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by Kobojunkie: 2:52pm On Jul 29, 2020 |
oluminnic:You know these 'great' so-called MOGs from where? God says the heart of man is evil and He alone searched it to give each man a right end, yet here you are claiming to know that which is known to no man. Are you sure you have not put your trust in the wrong things/beings there? oluminnic:Picking and choosing what man to put your trust in and what men not to... Again God said cursed is any man who puts his trust in men, making flesh and blood His strength... Be careful that you not heap curses over your head for the sake of other men. oluminnic:I hate to break it to you but God does not live in your churches. The very foundation of what you know and can churches today was built more than 1700 years ago by power-hungry disgruntled bishops and elders who wanted to control and rule over the dissemination of God and the things of God as the Pharisees and Sadducees before them had done. So they, through doctrine and traditions, lies cooked up in the name of God, set about establishing for themselves kingdoms on this earth which to rule over. Today off-shoots of those kingdoms are your churches(businesses) which you know of today, and what your hometown herbalist there is doing is nothing different from what many men before him have done in the name of God, and that is carve out for themselves a kingdom to rule here on earth in the name of God. oluminnic:LOL...what people should not come near your churches? Liars, deceivers, and all who pretend to come in the name of God? oluminnic: What the heck? The Bible says the Kingdom of God is like the kingdom of men? ![]() oluminnic:God already sent Jesus Christ to men. Does He also have to come down to read what Jesus Christ said to you now? 2 Likes |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 5:07pm On Jul 29, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Did you say ‘from where?’- By their fruit you shall know them. God will not tell you which one, you are to judge using your understanding of the word of God. Have you also tried their fruits too! If not, then you should. Kobojunkie:By their fruit you shall know them. I will put my trust in the Spirit of God that lives inside me. If you are born again, then you will know there is a confirmation of the spirit that follows an inspiration from God even if you do not understand it yet. The revealed word of God is not according to letter but by the Spirit of God. The ones I refer to as youtube MOG are truly youtube MOGs. I don’t think I have judge them (as good or bad) by saying what they always do which is to point accusing fingers to other MOGs Kobojunkie: To hold this kind of thought, my friend I can tell you are missing a lot. Do you even enjoy being a christian (if you are one) at all? I recommend www.rhemaformula.com Kobojunkie: Jesus said 'by their fruit you shall know them' Are you saying you have found all of them wanting? If only one, by your own finding, is upright- dont you think it is enough reason to promote the gospel |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by Nobody: 5:22pm On Jul 29, 2020 |
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Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by Kobojunkie: 5:45pm On Jul 29, 2020 |
oluminnic:What? What fruits have you seen then? ![]() How did you examine these fruits? ![]() By considering the tree it came from? ![]() Or By carefully examining the fruits inside and out and comparing them to Jesus Christ's own commandments to us all? ![]() oluminnic:If the Spirit of God were really on the inside of you, you would not here be speaking of How God is in your churches and against a herbalist who wants to set up a church kingdom for himself. ![]() If the Spirit of the Living God truly lives on the inside of you, of what use are MOGs to you? Why do you then have your MOGs sitting in the seat of God in your life? ![]() oluminnic:Well, whether they are Youtube MOGs or airMOGs, the point remains the same, as long as they are an offshoot of the old church system which was built on doctrines and traditions(lies) of men in the name of God, they are no different from the so-called MOGs you have chosen to pitch your tent with. By the way, can you show where Jesus Christ said you should learn from your so-called MOGs? ![]() oluminnic:I doubt you have even begun your journey in Jesus Christ. You seem still fascinated by the illusions and delusions of man. oluminnic:Jesus Christ told you that He should be your ONLY teacher. Since you continue to put your faith in men and not in Jesus Christ as far as teaching is concerned, are you sure that you even understand what He taught at all? Your mouth is likely filled with the same lies that those you have set as masters over you diseminate as far as the gospel is concerned, so what good is y0ur promoting more of the same lies to do with actual teaching of Jesus Christ's gospel? |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 7:54pm On Jul 29, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Who is Jesus? Have you seen him before? Has he spoken to you before? You only read about him in the Holy Bible and what do you know about the bible? How did you come to believe those words in it were true? These are questions you should ask. Getting the solution to them will clear all these points of yours. Below is my answer to the questions; My Answer: I haven’t seen him before (I look forward to seeing him at his second coming or if he chooses to appear to me like he did to Paul- who am I to even wish that) but I have the Holy Spirit in me which Jesus said shall bear witness into all truth. That is my confidence. It is possible for man to err even the ‘so-called notable MOGs’ but I have my comforter which is the Holy spirit who will bring to my hearing the voice of Jesus (John 10:27, John 14:26- the voice of Jesus is the HS that lives within the child of God) and who leaps every time He hears the inspired word of God from another The Bible declares that the Holy Spirit is the power of God (2 Timothy 1:7 ), that it leads us into all truth (John 14:17, 26 ), that it enables us to discern spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:11, 14 ), that it is our guarantee (“seal”) of eternal life in the resurrection (Ephesians 1:13-14 ), and that without it we are “not His” (Romans 8:9) |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by Nobody: 9:47pm On Jul 29, 2020 |
oluminnic: Jesus truly said "by their FRUIT you will know them, good trees doesn't produce routine fruit and bad trees can't produce good fruit" Matthew 7:16-18 According to Apostles Paul the qualities found in this FRUIT are LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23 So can you mentioned just one quality of the fruit found in the works of these so called Men Of God? ![]() |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by desiredhome: 9:02am On Jul 30, 2020 |
oluminnic: This is the reason Nigeria is the poorest and will continue be because we refused to ask questions.... The slave mentality and the hushpapas are taking advantage of their ignorance to enslave them the more. This is how you are being blindfolded, except you are one of them......to believe that they are oracle of God, how?.....and should not be corrected even when their wicked acts are obvious?..... Last time I checked, the Almighty God is not a wicked God,........ Richest people in the world become rich by solving human problems and giving back to the society....... Dangote has his products all over the world that made him one of the richest man so also are the many billionaires all over the world....... Today your Pastorprenour has turned their guelible/poor members to be their source of income with unending demand on their hard earned money......... They collect from them (OBT) to build schools, investments etc that over 80% of the members cannot benefits from...... These people are completely opposite Jesus Christ, #stopenlavingnigerians |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 2:50pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
Maximus69: If you see love, do you know it? Can you recognise patience? Can you see into man’s heart? How can you ask me if I see something in someone when you know I can only see it when I investigate their hearts? I am not God and that is the reason why Jesus said ‘by their fruit you shall know them’ This is like saying how do I know they are truly men of God. I will give you the same answer given to the disciples of John- the lame are walking, the deaf are hearing, the blind are seeing, there are miracles of jobs, God is giving children to the barren, peoples’ life are changing, church population is increasing every day etc. Come back to church bro. To further show you the difference between fruit (of spirit) in Galatian 5:22 and the fruit (work) in Matthew 7, please study the following. Ephesians 5:9 the bible made it known that the fruit (of spirit) are shown in good works (fruit). The fruit of the spirit are virtues of the heart which only God can spot in man’s heart. The fruit of man (e.g false prophet) are the result of their works which is evidenced for all to see. Matthew 7: 15-18 A man can act as if he loves, display fake patience, deceive people by showing they are in control or they have tried their best (that is, a false prophet who has the heart and thinking of a wolf (fruit of flesh) can come to you dressed in sheep’s clothing (outward appearance of someone that possess the fruit of the spirit)) but no one can fool God and the quality of the effect of their work (fruit) will tell the difference. |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 3:10pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
desiredhome: You want to know why Nigeria is like this and I will tell you It is self-inflicted fear of unknown and timidity. The solution is in church. Come to church bro. You talk of Hushpapas, I think you know exactly who to call that, it’s just convenient for you to attack the church. desiredhome: …their wicked acts? Don’t you think that is a blanket statement. Is it fair to say all Nigerians are fraudsters because Hushpuppi is a Nigerian? Can you just hear yourself please. desiredhome: I think you are too far from the church (or may be you don’t have one). Come to church bro and ask if people’s problems are getting solved or not. Do you know the number of aid programs that churches embarked on on daily basis in Nigeria. THE REASON NIGERIA IS STILL STANDING IS BECAUSE THERE ARE CHURCHES. desiredhome: Did you say gullible poor members! OMG, please come to church, you will see people that are far richer than whoever you think is the richest. The problem in Nigeria is we celebrate people that will never teach us how to be successful as they are or go beyond them. desiredhome: If a university is owned by a church; where do you expect the project money to come from? Do you know the number of jobless church members that have been employed and empowered because of the establishment of these churches’ universities? And are the members complaining? Do you know the number of scholarships that goes from church to church members and the society? All you just need to do is to google this. Do you also know that one of these church-owned universities is ranked among the first 500 universities in the world. I bet you never knew- Nigerians don’t recognise accomplishment we only celebrate status. May God open our eyes before it is too late. |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by desiredhome: 4:19pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
oluminnic: First you must know the meaning of Church, A Church is different from a business center........ Church is the people (humanity first) not the building....... You can't claim to be rich when over 60% of your members are living in abject poverty..the evidence are there........ When you want to speak on a thing, you get your facts...... I've been in the Nigerian Church (Penticostals) and I know what I am saying... I have and know many of your types so when you want to speak Know that we are seeing it all How are people's problems getting solved? When they only collect from you to enrich themselves? Poor you.......how many of you members can afford the tuition fee of your church schools? Which is the commonest? How many of you if sick can afford a quality healthcare? etc...... Why celebrating what you can't partake of? The members are not complaining because they've been hypnotized, some under spell out of fear, some due to their high level of greed....... There was relative peace and love in the society till the Mammon worshipping Penticostals came in with their greedy gospel of prosperity and money money money..... today with church (business centers) all over the place, the more crime are on the increase......think, and stop living in delusion |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by Kobojunkie: 4:58pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
oluminnic:What? oluminnic:OK, here is a question that in fact matters as far as your claim. Who does the Spirit of God tell you that you are? ![]() oluminnic:You have him, yet you forget that He, and He alone is supposed to be your ONLY teacher, counselor, guide, etc. and those so-called MOGs are nothing as far as your relationship to God? And you yourself are not to teach anyone anything for Christ is the ONLY Teacher for us all? oluminnic:The Spirit of God leads us into all truth but somehow He has yet to lead you into the truth of God's promise? The Truth that God is meant to be the only one to TEACH His people about Himself? Come on! ![]() Are you sure you have submitted your life to God so He can lead you in His way? Or are you still holding on to the loins of so-called MOGs hoping you can do so in the name of God? ![]() |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 6:21pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: That you can see via this link https://rhemaformula.com/thank-you-page/ Kobojunkie: John 14:17, 26- That is the work of the HS Kobojunkie: Jeremiah 23:4 'And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD''. Setting of shepherds to feed the lamp is part of God's end time agenda. If you are not the coverage of any church then you are missing To read more about Church concept visit https://rhemaformula.com/the-concept-of-church/ |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by Kobojunkie: 6:37pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
oluminnic:You can simply answer the question oluminnic:True, God did set us up as shephards to His sheep... not to teach them or take the place of Jesus Christ i.e. Spirit of God, in their lives though since then, Jesus Christ, through the Spirit of God, is the ONLY teacher for God's flock. Do you see the similarities in what God says in the passage above, what He declares in the passage below? These are the works of righteousness that God has called His sheep to doing. How many of your MOGs have fed you, clothed you, cared for you when you were sick, homed you when you were homeless, visited you when you were in prison? ![]() Are you yourself doing the same as far as God's sheep is concerned, or are you instead taking the place of God(Teacher) in their lives? ![]() oluminnic:End time agenda? What end time agenda? And what do you think feeding the lamb of God means? What food do you assume lambs eat? Coverage of a church? Where does God tell you that is a thing as far as He is concerned? |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by oluminnic: 6:47pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
desiredhome: To know if they are truly different you can visit https://rhemaformula.com/the-concept-of-church/ desiredhome: I don't know where you are getting your fact from. But if there is any truth to it, the poverty rate in Nigeria according to UN is >70%, if it is >60% in the church, then that means the church is working and it pays to stay under church covering than to remain in the general population desiredhome: Now you are talking. I am so sorry you had a bad impression when you were in Pentecostal church. And you don't have to go back there; there are other denominations, you can go to; just make sure you go to church because the bible says we should not forsake the assembly of brethren. you need it for your timely edification. To understand more about church please visit https://rhemaformula.com/the-concept-of-church/ desiredhome: I have seen so much in my life. I have seen people rise from grass to grace. I tell you the truth, I've not seen one person that serves the Lord and remain the same. desiredhome: Those are strong words but you have the right to your own opinion. However, if Pentecostal churches are the 'problem', at least don't discourage people from going to other denomination. |
Re: Stop Getting Offended In Men Of God by desiredhome: 8:57pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
oluminnic: I wonder why you continue to lie despite the claring evidences.........with all the facts I've talked about you are still lying....... My brother, Nigeria today is the poorest in the world, despite being the most praying/religious and with churches everywhere?... even with our hugde natural resources... This is to tell you that something is wrong with your claimes....it's good you already know that 70% from the UN statistics, if 70% of Nigerians are poor it includes the members of your church as well....so stop deceiving yourself.... The true Church of God is based on love which you and your mentor(Pastorprenours) lack, otherwise you will not collect from the poor to build for the rich.... it's an error, that is enslaving the members. causing more poverty...... This is how the church has turned business....God/Church do not discriminate I know you . must be one of the junior pastor under the hushpapas and will be difficult for you to accept the truth...... because you must meet target |
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