Ibime:


Wenger decline wasn't due to money but due to change in philosophy from solid counterattacking play of Gilberto Silva and Vieira them to tikitaka of Febregas, Denilson and co which made them easy to beat.

Wenger was still making money for Arsenal while winning Championships by selling Overmars, Petit, Anelka et al.

If he had sign all his targets Ibrahimovic, CR7, Hazard etc....
Would Arsenal be in this situation??

Wenger was trying to play smart pricing players like Bread.

raumdeuter:


That link i posted above the comments from chic2pimp in 2010


" guess this is what happens when your team has not won a meaningful Trophy in quite a while now.
Or when did teams start basing their sucess on Net spend and what not"

duduspace:

Arsenal spending outlay in PL before and after move to the Emirates (also from Sky sports News)

Before After
Total cost of players in: 199m 71m
Total from players out: 132m 105m
Net spend: 67m -34m
net spend/ season 5m -9m




Atleast If you can't win titles, you go count money

Ibime:


Wenger decline wasn't due to money but due to change in philosophy from solid counterattacking play of Gilberto Silva and Vieira them to tikitaka of Febregas, Denilson and co which made them easy to beat.

Wenger was still making money for Arsenal while winning Championships by selling Overmars, Petit, Anelka et al.

I am shocked that you are blaming Wenger football for the decline for someone who posted this years back

Jose signs player, doesn't like him, eats his confidence, sells him the next season, then demands more money from RA to propagate success. . . . can Jose survive on £5m net spend a year like Arsene Wenger?. . . . 20 years from now, players will want to come to Arsenal because they respect the football. . . . if Chelsea & Arsenal both bid for a skilful player, the player would choose Arsenal, all things being equal (wages etc). . . . its the same with Barca and Madrid. . . . Barca is self-sustaining, Madrid have to sell their training ground just to compete, like Florentino Perez did in the Galacticos era. . . . . I am just reminded of Ronaldinho's words when RA wanted to sign him in 2005. . . . he said "I can never go to a club that play that kind of football". . . . forget it!

raumdeuter:


Tell us your point gap from city in the last 3 seasons

not only u can shift goalpost,, me sef can shift....how come pap's team was far under here...I cannot believe my eyes

macjireh:

not only u can shift goalpost,, me sef can shift....how come pap's team was far under here...I cannot believe my eyes

Since Pep came to England, Add Chelseas total points, add Man citys total points

Post the result here for everyone to see

4 years ago

Chelsea - 6 EPL title

Man City - 4 EPL title

Now

Chelsea - 6 EPL title

Man City - 6 EPL title

Guess who will make it to 7 EPL title first

No wonder Chelsea fans dey vex for Pep

raumdeuter:


Chelsea spent 260m in 1 season on Bakayoko Drinkwater Barkley Rudiger Palmieri Zappacosta Morata

Following season they added Jorginho 50m and Kepa 70m

Which of them qualify as a good signing that Chelsea fans will want to see in their starting 11 for the forseeable future

Almost 400m spent on flops to finish 5th 4th 4th and these same set of fans complain about someone who spent and has finished a combined 71points above their team in the same time

Over 400m on signing in 2 seasons and they don't want any of them in their club long term yet still shameless to call someone point and kill

Pep's first XI over the years
Ederson
Walker, Kompany, Otamendi, Delp
Fernadinho, KDB, D.Silvia
Sterling, Aguero, B.SIlva

8 of those players where already in Man City before Pep so where did £600m go, no main player was sold so

macjireh:

not only u can shift goalpost,, me sef can shift....how come pap's team was far under here...I cannot believe my eyes

notice how the Raum left that year out when listing points gap. The hate is real

Expert17:
4 years ago

Chelsea - 6 EPL title

Man City - 4 EPL title

Now

Chelsea - 6 EPL title

Man City - 6 EPL title

Guess who will make it to 7 EPL title first

No wonder Chelsea fans dey vex for Pep

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raumdeuter:


The same way Ferguson found constant solution to his right back is how Pep did to his left back. From Delph to Zinchenko to Angelino

Pep spent 50m on Mendy remember

BlueAngel444:


Pep's first XI over the years
Ederson
Walker, Kompany, Otamendi, Delp
Fernadinho, KDB, D.Silvia
Sterling, Aguero, B.SIlva

8 of those players where already in Man City before Pep so where did £600m go, no main player was sold so

Over which years? Kompany only played actively in 2018/19
Otamendi played actively in 2017/18 same with Delph

Did Kompany and Dsilva not retire. Did Delph not leave.
Ederson Walker Laporte Bernardo Sane Rodri Mendy Mahrez Jesus was where the money went.

Except Sane that was sold and probably Mendy all these are still part of city long term plans

Now tell us about the 400m Chelsea spent on Morata Bakayoko Drinkwater Barkley Rudiger Palmieri Zappacosta Jorginho Kepa how many of them do you plan with long term

CapitalCee:


Pep spent 50m on Mendy remember

Yes and when Mendy was injured he found constant solutions while winning the EPL

raumdeuter:


How many games did Drinkwater play for Chelsea as a 40m signing
How many games did Zappacosta play for Chelsea as a 25m signing
How many games did Batsuayi play for Chelsea as a 30m signing

The same was Pep benched 60m Mahrez is the same Chelsea benched a 65m Pulisic

aint you the crafty and dubious one so which of the 60m or 65m is pounds



As long as it suits your logic even if it's a lie. How you have fallen Raum, how you have fallen

Sulele04:

Go and tell this to the likes of madrid,man c,barca.
if a board backs a manager with cash he just has to deliver, if not the club will suffer financial crisis.

valverde spent over 300 million on dembele,countinho,lenglet to deliver cl he failed woefully.
guardiola has been constantly backed by the board and he has always delivered.

EVERYTHING IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR

Shut your gob. He was hired to win the UCL with Bayern and he failed. Hired to make Citeh a dominant force in Europe and we're yet to see that.

Billions of pounds lost in the process.

Ibime:


How did he have the best team in 1999?

Do you know what the Italian teams were carrying in 1999?

Keane, Schneichel and Giggs were the only certified stars in 1999.

Scholes was a perennial International flop and Beckham was never a World Class player despite all the media attention, besides he did not have Keane and Scholes in that final, using scrub like Jesper Blomqvist and Nicky Butt to win UCL

Young man, don't talk before your time.

Your point is correct, but you forgot Jaap Stam. Beckham is world class then as he was nominated both for Ballon dor and World footballer of the year on occasions. Infact he finished 2nd behind Figo in 2001

Griffon:


Shut your gob. He was hired to win the UCL with Bayern and he failed. Hired to make Citeh a dominant force in Europe and we're yet to see that.

Billions of pounds lost in the process.

Are you his employer or did you draft his employment letter to know what he was hired for?
The folks that hired him have not fired him yet you are complaining on their behalf

Those who hired Cuntay and Mourinho fired them, those who hired Pep are always begging him for extensions

Ibime:


Chelsea net spend since Pep joined City = £96m

Pep net spend at City = £376m

Naming players upandan won't change the fact. We sell to buy, we don't point and kill.

You're still educating these folks?

Expert17:
Add all the goals conceded by Man City in EPL since Guardiola took charge and compare with others.

my brother you are very right o. Hmm, man city is better there are clubs paying millions to players, spending millions to buy them for almost 7 seasons now and they struggle to make top four. Can you imagine my brother. This life, e no get balance at all. eh, after spending so much. It's just terrible, a crime, so sad

raumdeuter:


Just like Pep was using Pedro, Valdes Abidal rookie Busquets to win the CL

Yes but Pep, has Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Alves, and Villa. Including Etoo and Henry in his first season. That's almost first XI filled with world class players

raumdeuter:

I am shocked that you are blaming Wenger football for the decline for someone who posted this years back

Wenger played pleasing football in both systems but going full tikitaka without solid midfield left them vulnerable defensively and ultimately trophyless.

raumdeuter:


Are you his employer or did you draft his employment letter to know what he was hired for?
The folks that hired him have not fired him yet you are complaining on their behalf

Those who hired Cuntay and Mourinho fired them, those who hired Pep are always begging him for extensions

those two managers finish outside top four and didn't do well in UCL. It's a norm for a top club in EPL to sack such

raumdeuter:


Ferguson had 26yrs at one club to do it and won two times

Your team spent the highest amount in football history and dint win with Mourinho

Your point on Fergie is very very wrong. United are not Elite club when Fergie joined, infact we are battling relegation that time. And English teams were banned after the heysel disaster, when they returned, they were far behind. The united victory in 1999 effectively opened doors for English teams.

raumdeuter:


Are you his employer or did you draft his employment letter to know what he was hired for?
The folks that hired him have not fired him yet you are complaining on their behalf

Those who hired Cuntay and Mourinho fired them, those who hired Pep are always begging him for extensions

pap will not finish next season b4 he disappears into thin air,,,because d disgrace awaiting him will be worse than his first season in EPL

BlueAngel444:
those two managers finish outside top four and didn't do well in UCL. It's a norm for a top club in EPL to sack such

So Pep has done better than those 2 that hopeless Chelsea fans used to compare to him

Griffon:


Shut your gob. He was hired to win the UCL with Bayern and he failed. Hired to make Citeh a dominant force in Europe and we're yet to see that.

Billions of pounds lost in the process.

Chelsea won the league and won Europa
Liverpool won the league and made two UCL finals and won UCL. Without playing a new second eleven for hundreds of millions

And we should congratulate pep for winning two EPL titles, when Moi was in his position he even made Semi finals in UCL. But pep's excuse is, eh ermm, what is it again

Ibime:


How was EPL the best league in the world.

My friend, you are talking before your time.

EPL was a scrub league then, even Arsenal were losing to Galatasaray in UEFA Cup final then.

My friend EPL was a farmers league in late 90s compared to Italian League which was by far the best, followed by Spanish league, then Bundesliga.

Beckham was a media hype, Neville brothers were 7/10 players and the Scholes we know today only became a don after 2004 when he dropped deep. Scholes of those days was nowhere to be mentioned against the top CMs of that time, someone who gets played off the park and get dumped out of International competitions by Romania and co. You cannot name top 20 CMs in late 90s and added Scholes name. Serie A alone would produce 10 CMs above him in ranking.

Andy Cole and Sherigham are England substitutes no different from Vardy and Imhs today while Dwight Yorke from Aston Villa is those days equivalent of a Jimenez at most.

If you want to talk World Class in that team, you can only call Schneichel, Keane and Giggs.

You are very very correct.

raumdeuter:


He didnt know the originator of Point and kill was Ferguson before Mourinho took over at Chelsea

These guys were not point and kill.

raumdeuter:


So Pep has done better than those 2 that hopeless Chelsea fans used to compare to him

who?
Do you mean klopp, Zidane, jupp, SAF, Poch, Mou, who

Expert17:


If he had sign all his targets Ibrahimovic, CR7, Hazard etc....
Would Arsenal be in this situation??

Wenger was trying to play smart pricing players like Bread.

How much did he sign Gilberto Silva, Vieira, Pires and Henry?

The problem wasn't the price of player but the type of player.

By moving away from Gilberto Silva/Vieira type of player, he left his defence exposed.

How much was Yaya Toure who was on trial and available for peanuts, but he declined because he was moving away from strongmen into tippytappy men like Denilson and co.

macjireh:

pap will not finish next season b4 he disappears into thin air,,,because d disgrace awaiting him will be worse than his first season in EPL

Tell us Chelseas point total all season since Pep joined and lets compare to city

No one cares about who finish next season or not. Let us look at the state of affairs of both clubs since Pep joined

City 78 points 100points 98 points 81 points
Chelsea 93ppoints 70 points 72points 66 points

Add both together and lets know the results

If you are confident of next season and willing to bet $1,000 City finish ahead of Chelsea next season. Let me know or shut up

CapitalCee:


Your point is correct, but you forgot Jaap Stam. Beckham is world class then as he was nominated both for Ballon dor and World footballer of the year on occasions. Infact he finished 2nd behind Figo in 2001

You don't expect Chelshitters to be logical when it concerns a United player. The only reason Fergie is being defended here today is because they want to drag Pep who they hate more presently.

PFA Team of the Year 4 times

UEFA Team of the Year 2 times

FIFA World Player of the Year 2nd place 2 times

Ballon d'Or 2nd place 1 time

EPL Assists leader 3 times

Real Madrid Player of the Year 1 time

UEFA club midfielder of the Year 1 time

UEFA club footballer of the Year 1 time



..............................................................................but all he had was a good 1999.

BlueAngel444:
who?
Do you mean klopp, Zidane, jupp, SAF, Poch, Mou, who

Pep did not coach with Juup and Ferguson in the same league. Those that he coached with in same league

Add the total league points gathered together in the same time Pep was there and lets compare