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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by beejay85: 7:01pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
crazygod:Dont know why my eyes were always looking at d right side.....especially during praise n worship....probably looking at shaking arses ![]() |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:04pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
blackboy2star: I never said this. Here is what you should know, the New Testament wouldn't have occurred if there wasn't errors in the Old. You are to read the Old and find it's relevance in the New. If the New does not emphasise on it or explain further on it, then, it has provided an upgrade or what is called exchange of what used to be. Christ death at the Cross settled it and put an end to the lighting of Candle on Candlestick stands and also put an end to an priest leading one to God. As the priesthood of ALL believers came to play just by the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ once and for all. |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by blackmaine: 7:06pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by 0taPiaPia(m): 7:07pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:08pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
blackmaine: Religion could be a scam. But being a follower or disciple of Christ has no relationship with religion |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by blackboy2star(m): 7:10pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
You see why i said you should read your bible very well... Burning of incense and lightning of candle was never a general law then and if you think it was, show me the verse. Nauttyprof: |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by dalass(f): 7:11pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Built2last: 7:12pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Hisxlency01: Who made it Mother church. There is no church in heaven. All men will answer fir himself stop fooling around 1 Like |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:13pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
blackboy2star: You should be the one to read your Bible as God gave the instructions for how the Candlestick stands should be and even incense burning. He gave every details on these. Besides, the era of the first 5 Books in the Old Testament were regarded as Law. To explain further, there are 3 eras - law, prophets and grace. We operate under the last - Grace based on the finished works of Christ. |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by benji93: 7:14pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Please be careful what explanation you provide for each activity perfomed in Cele. Your anology regarding the teaching of Jesus with respect to a candle iunder a bushel is nto quite useful. In that instance it was symbolic. The candles may not have been referring to the church. It may just have been referring to people lighting candles at night. Now the use of candles in worship is specific to Cele and in accordance to the direction of the holy spirit. Anyone can argue that could not have been the holy spirit. So many so called "christians" tell you that christians must live only according to the Bible. It's mentioned in John 21 vs 25 that Jesus Christ did so many other things- which may include the fact that he said so many other things to- that if they were written down the world would not have enough rooms to contain them. So when the holy spirit tells you to do something and it's not in the Bible, it would be foolish to argue that i won't do it cause it's not in the bible. So it ultimately comes down to this quesiton: Was that message of the Holy spirit? If the spirit of God decides to reenact certain rules in a particular fold or mandate that certain modes of worship, which may be ancient be specific to a particular fold so be it. The Naysayers may object and claim it's not biblical or unchristian. That's their problem. The ways of God are mysterious. May the spirit of God guide us. Mihzwhitesutana: |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by blackboy2star(m): 7:15pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Christ death settled all sin not cancelled the old testament... Should we now say real Pastors that God ministered to, too pray into a handkerchief for their congregation is FAKE? Since Jesus didn't talk about handkerchief... Nauttyprof: |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by blackboy2star(m): 7:16pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by kolade560: 7:17pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nobody: 7:20pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
benji93: The father, the son (Jesus Christ) and the holy spirit are one and God is not an author of confusion. The holy spirit will not direct you to do something outside biblical principles. The death of Jesus Christ clearly put an end to any extra sacrifices such as the burning of candles of Rams, incenses believed to reach the high heavens etc. All of those were necessary before the coming of Christ. Even before the coming of Christ, God got tired of their vain hypocrisy so much he said: "Bring no more vain ablations incense as an abomination" (Isaiah 1:13) another version interprets this verse as "Your incense is detestable to me! So why continue when he clearly spoke against it? Christ's coming not only freed humanity from mosaic laws but also brought a new law. "A new command I give you; love one another as I have loved you, you must love one another" (John 13:34). Here's another one: "Carry each other's burden and in this way, you will fulfill the law of Christ" (Gal 6:2). So in a nutshell, according to the teachings of Christ, the law is loving your neighbour as you'd yourself, simple. |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:22pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
benji93: No Sir, God is not the Author of confusion. His spirit, the Holy spirit will never contradict Himself (reference to His word) Holyspirit will never go against God's word and create a new practice. New practices that contradicts the word of God CAN NEVER be given by the Holy spirit. If you believed there was more to Christian practices then, the Apostles would have talked about them if they were omitted from Christ teachings. |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by blackboy2star(m): 7:24pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Instruction to each of his worshipers the way he wants it not a general law... Exodus 40:27 and also read about Aaron in Exodus... The book of Hebrew also talk about incense Shalom Nauttyprof: |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Depressed101: 7:24pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Edoi:Forget what op is saying, Cele is 98% occultic.... |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Depressed101: 7:25pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Virginnn:k sensed it too |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nobody: 7:25pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Nauttyprof: From my research, celestial members don't 'secretly' attend Pentecostal, mind the word 'secretly'. They attend without shame and restriction. Pentecostal don't want people to know or see them at Celestial Church. They come secretly when they have tough issues only to return to Pentecostal Church to give testimonies. 3 Likes |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by SmartchildTutor: 7:26pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Why them no dey wear shoes? |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 7:28pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Built2last: I want to do something I rarely do. I want to explain stuff to you. Find a day where you'll have like an hour. I'll call you(not midnight call oo) and explain Celestial Church to you as very very biblical....why I want to do this is Isee you have an open mind. I wont try to convince you to join NO. Just explain stuff to you from the bible. For starters that EYE is a symbol that simply reminds us of the omniscience of the Almighty God and nothing we do in secret is hidden from him even though men cant see it and he will reward us for our actions. This belief contained in the following Celestian hymns. Oju Oluwa nwo ishe re awon Angeli mimo nko won iba she rere tabi ibi.. ere ishe re ni iwo yio gba." The eyes of God are watching your actions and the holy Angel's are recording it...wether good or bad you will be rewarded accordingly. Hymn 608 says Toju ishe re ijo mimo. Eshe ododo eyin ijo mimo, oju mi nwo ishe Yom like orun. Keep up your works you Celestians Let your actions be righteous in this holy church For my eyes are watching all you do from heaven Another hymn says Baba joko sinu tempili, Oma mi wo ohun ti aiye ma mi she. Aiyee ko le mu efufu ro. The father sits in the temple Watching the actions of the world That world cannot stop a storm from raging Hymn 463 also says Oluwa duro onwo wa Yio gba wa la lowo aiye Our Lord stands and watches over us He will save us from the hands of the evil ones. Now can you honestly tell me that this concept or belief is not according to the Christian scriptures. Note the CCC has at least 350 hymns with lyrics that are unique to it...ranging from various christian themes like praise, worship,forgiveness, resurrection, prayer,love judgement,Holy spirit, mercy,redemption etc Men that church is glorious I am proudly a member 4 Likes |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:30pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
blackboy2star: So, are you saying we can still kill birds and other animals to attone for sins, practice an eye for an eye and tooth for tooth and many other practices in the Old testament? Study the word of God to understand many things the coming, death and resurrection of Christ ended once and for all. Like I keep emphasising the Bible should be the focus. Use of handkerchief should be one led by the Holy spirit and not to become a practice in Christianity. Did you know the helm of Jesus' garment healed the girl with the issues of blood. Even Peter's shadow worked miracles. You MUST be led to do it by the Holyspirit but it MUST NEVER become a practice. You will never see Jesus operating by same methods so we won't believe this is a practice or doctrine. |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by SmartchildTutor: 7:31pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Depressed101:Don't mind op. He left Cele, revealed what he knew about them and bad things started happening to him. Then he remembered they once said if you leave and say bad things about the church, you'll have bad luck. He's now trying to say good things about Cele so that good things will come to him. All na wash! So long you don chop and drink form their alter, them go collect back if you leave. It's not negotiable. 1 Like |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Depressed101: 7:35pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by SmartPolician: 7:37pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
SmellingAnus: How can you be comparing Cele to other churches yet Cele is singled out for the wrong reasons? #10 just nulified everything you listed here because one will rightly assume that you don't want evil to befall you that's you are scared to criticize them. Every Nigerian Christian who fears Cele cannot be wrong about these people. There must be something inherently wrong about them. When we were growing up, we used to say that nobody worships in white garment churches for the right reasons. Most of them who weren't born into it joined the church in an effort to solve one spiritual problem or another |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:39pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
babaolofin: Your research was only carried out in your room. Infact I have met several Cele members in pentecostal programmes who 'secretly' do this. What testimonies? Don't be biased as I have also seen Cele members give testimonies in pentecostals and also say how they didn't get their miracles in Cele |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by MiddleDimension: 7:40pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
SmellingAnus: my dear, celestial church of christ is a pentecostal church |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:41pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
blackboy2star: So, even all the others he gave wasn't a general law then? Please, don't twist the Bible to suite your thought. Point to me where in Hebrew, we are encouraged to keep using incense |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by blackboy2star(m): 7:45pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
My stand is Candle and Incense were mentioned in the bible and was never told is a bad thing to use... According to the founder, that was what he was told to use and practice... IT can become a practice if you're told to practice it... Jesus can operate in different ways using different means that mankind can't phantom... He used clay and saliva, He can instruct me to use snail saliva and mud also, does that make it occultic. Nauttyprof: |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by ifko: 7:48pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
Many of u here criticizing Cele don't know that your parents are secretly going to cele for U. If u are attending cele and ur prayer is answered there abeg continue, it s high time we stopped criticizing denominations of churches. Just ensure that u live holy life and observe d tenets of dos and don't of Christ Jesus. 2 Likes |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 7:48pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
blackboy2star: Candle and Incense were mentioned in the Old Testament and it ended with the Old. Jesus never used snail and it becomes occultic if healing is gotten through animals. Christ alone is the solution |
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by benji93: 7:51pm On Aug 02, 2020 |
I am sorry, but it's an error to say there were errors in the old testament. It's akin to saying God wasn't in his right senses when he established those laws. Although i certainly believe that the rules that apply may change from time to time, which is usually a function of humans and the perpetual love of God for us- We are addicted to flouting rules laid down. This is confirmed by John 3 vs 16. Now your last sentence is a serious error as well. You mentioned that the death of christ put an end to the lighting of the candles. We know that Christ died for the atonement of our sins, so it means anything that was previously done by the Isrealites for the atonement such as animal sacrifice is redundant.This doesn't even mean it's wrong to do it, but it means you are no longer bound to it. So the question is were the lighting of candles part of atonement? The answer is No. You definitely need to read your bible well. The lighting of candles was particularly part of worship. I would say though that the fact that the Isrealites did certain things does not mean we should do them. It was given to them as part of their covenant with God. So if you apply them you may not receive the blessings promised. However if the holy spirit directs you to incorporate so so so and so into your worship as part of a covenant which is the case in CCC, then as a member of that fold you must do it to reap the blessings thereof. And God in his infinte wisdom can reenact whatever rule, however he pleases in whichever dispensation. His thoughts are not our thoughts neither his ways our ways. God chose Abraham, and subsequently his decendants. Does it mean Abraham was the only one who worshipped God? We may never know cos there was no such discussion, unless the holy spirit reveals it. God does whatever pleases him. You can argue from today to tomorrow on what you think the bible is saying, and you are definitely within your rights to argue it, i nwhich case you may be partially incorrect. It's what you know. God uses people differently. He may use one one way, and another a different way. You all seem to think there's a well defined template for christians. No there isn't. There are definitely certain basic principles that a christian must abide by. And especially, if the Bible instructs you not to do something then you mustn't do it. The Bible is silent on some matters. But the fact that something wasn't mentioned in the bible doesn't mean it's wrong. So the statement that the Bible doesn't say you can do something doesn't mean it's wrong. That's why the holy spirit is important to our existense. If you are faced with issues not resolved definitivley in the bible seek the direction of the holyspirit. If the Spirit of God directs some people to worship in a certain way, so be it. May the spirit of God guide us. Nauttyprof: 1 Like |
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