benji93:
I am sorry, but it's an error to say there were errors in the old testament. It's akin to saying God wasn't in his right senses when he established those laws. Although i certainly believe that the rules that apply may change from time to time, which is usually a function of humans and the perpetual love of God for us- We are addicted to flouting rules laid down. This is confirmed by John 3 vs 16. Now your last sentence is a serious error as well. You mentioned that the death of christ put an end to the lighting of the candles. We know that Christ died for the atonement of our sins, so it means anything that was previously done by the Isrealites for the atonement such as animal sacrifice is redundant.This doesn't even mean it's wrong to do it, but it means you are no longer bound to it. So the question is were the lighting of candles part of atonement? The answer is No. You definitely need to read your bible well. The lighting of candles was particularly part of worship. I would say though that the fact that the Isrealites did certain things does not mean we should do them. It was given to them as part of their covenant with God. So if you apply them you may not receive the blessings promised. However if the holy spirit directs you to incorporate so so so and so into your worship as part of a covenant which is the case in CCC, then as a member of that fold you must do it to reap the blessings thereof. And God in his infinte wisdom can reenact whatever rule, however he pleases in whichever dispensation. His thoughts are not our thoughts neither his ways our ways. God chose Abraham, and subsequently his decendants. Does it mean Abraham was the only one who worshipped God? We may never know cos there was no such discussion, unless the holy spirit reveals it. God does whatever pleases him. You can argue from today to tomorrow on what you think the bible is saying, and you are definitely within your rights to argue it, i nwhich case you may be partially incorrect. It's what you know. God uses people differently. He may use one one way, and another a different way. You all seem to think there's a well defined template for christians. No there isn't. There are definitely certain basic principles that a christian must abide by. And especially, if the Bible instructs you not to do something then you mustn't do it. The Bible is silent on some matters. But the fact that something wasn't mentioned in the bible doesn't mean it's wrong. So the statement that the Bible doesn't say you can do something doesn't mean it's wrong. That's why the holy spirit is important to our existense. If you are faced with issues not resolved definitivley in the bible seek the direction of the holyspirit. If the Spirit of God directs some people to worship in a certain way, so be it. May the spirit of God guide us.

babaolofin:


From my research, celestial members don't 'secretly' attend Pentecostal, mind the word 'secretly'. They attend without shame and restriction. Pentecostal don't want people to know or see them at Celestial Church. They come secretly when they have tough issues only to return to Pentecostal Church to give testimonies.

blackboy2star:
For real?

Nauttyprof:



You are speaking by your thoughts and reasoning matters based on just human reasoning but I spoke what God's word says.

Try read the Bible to understand what the Bible says for proper and better understanding of the position of the Bible.

Please, read Hebrews 8:7 to have a better understanding.

So, can you see that what you typed does not hold anything or reasoning?

Understand that there are many things to go with the Old when the new came into operation.

God uses people differently but does not go against what the Bible clearly has corrected. Holyspirit does not contradict the word of God rather He gives more understanding as to God's word.

Please, read your Bible well as you seem to operate on reasoning. When you dig deep into what God's word says you will have a better understanding.

I have not told you anything outside God's word.

Flier:
My brain is programmed to pick a race anytime i see a lady from white germent church
I dont want a situation where a lady would check my destiny before marrying me and tie me down if my future is bright

Built2last:
I have a problem with number 6 and 10.

Why use candle at all when its celestial church of CHRIST. I never came accross an passage in the bible where Jesus told us to light a candle to pray. All churches that use candles or incense are fetish.

The bible is the rule book of christianity

Number 10 you said if you leave and talk harshly bad things may happen to the person. People talk harshly about our Lord Jesus everyday. He doesn't harm them because He is love. If atheists repents and come to Christ, with open arms He receives them. What then is a church that claims to be christ like doing with harshly making things bad for leavers. That's not God.

I have never entered a white garment church before and will never enter one. Their activities do not match what I read in my bible daily.

Your logo contains ONE EYE. You brandish the cross everytime. Jesus is no longer on the cross. He went to the cross not by choice but by Roman soldiers. Why do some churches hold the cross tightly and ignore the grave. Is the grave not as important as the cross. We dont need the cross or the grave or any symbol.

Jesus never told us to hold on to any of that or make reference to it.

Accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Believe in your heart, confess with your mouth and let God see that in your lifestyle. Period.

Christianity is simple. We just want to make it complicated.

Nauttyprof:


No Sir, God is not the Author of confusion. His spirit, the Holy spirit will never contradict Himself (reference to His word)

Holyspirit will never go against God's word and create a new practice. New practices that contradicts the word of God CAN NEVER be given by the Holy spirit.

If you believed there was more to Christian practices then, the Apostles would have talked about them if they were omitted from Christ teachings.

otipoju:


First thing I want to ask you is this.

What exactly is the Old Testament and what is the New Testament. What do they mean to you?

Let's start from this basic and educate ourselves as we proceed.

loneprof:
All I can say is that white garment 'churches' have long been infiltrated and some pentecostal 'churches' are now toeing that path as well, but God will keep exposing evil doers. I just know that no man can deceive this God on judgement day.

The true church of Christ consists of those who worship in spirit and in truth, let everyone keep playing mumbo jumbo...

benji93:
You don't seem to udnerstand what contradiction means. I implore you to bring up anything that CCC does in which case the Bible says don't do it. Now if you know any then that's a contradiction. We could therefore discuss what you think is contradictory regarding this. Note i am not referring to issues the Bible didn't resolve. And it's not for you to say that the Apostles would have mentioned them. It has to be revealed to you for you to mention it. The New testament was written by different people. Some where historical, as in the Gospels- in relation to the teachings of Jusus, and others were with respect to how a christian should live their lives. Why were there different apostles and prophets? I mean i could say only one prohet is needed. To different Eras and people are different issues in the Church, and the apostles as directed therefore laid emphasis on resolving these issues. It's erroneous to say the Apostles should have mentioned it. In fact perhaps there were, but the Apostles didn't deem them ungodly, and so didn't mention them. How about that? If the bible instructs me to do something or not do something and i don't do it or do it respectively, that's a problem and ungodly.

azpekuliar:
My father is a staunch, devoted Seventh-Day Adventist for over 35 years. He has told us that members of these white garment Aladura churches will get to heaven before we Adventists.

I have never known my father to be a flippant person especially when it comes to matters of religion.

Tango123:



Op, thank you for saying the truth about number 10, and for including it.

However, how much did this number 10 influence what u said above.

SOFTDRINK:


You just had to threaten us with this last line?

Zoey95:
let me tell you a little story that led to CCC been part of CAN. some years back in the late 70's they were critics that celestial wasn't a church of Christ they were fetish this and that, then Pope came all the way from rome, and demanded to see Pastor founder SBJ Oschoffa, then they set an open air crusade at TBS onikan, Lagos at the arrival of the Pastor founder Pope stood up from where he was sitted and approached papa Oschoffa to the amazement of the CAN officials and embraced him and greeted him and He said in his words This is a true man of God with the mandate of Holy spirit. then the song came up "if the whole world rise against us, they must bow before the Lord, ye the children of celestial church rise and praise the Lord. halleluyah is our song, halleluyah is in our worship. if the whole world likes it or not they will bow before the lord.

this I say the more you criticize the body of Christ and it's church the more it's wax stronger in spirit and in strength. if you doubt come to Imeko- Ogun state and see for yourself. feel free to bash me. IDC.... Halleluyah o!!!!

azpekuliar:
My father is a staunch, devoted Seventh-Day Adventist for over 35 years. He has told us that members of these white garment Aladura churches will get to heaven before we Adventists.

I have never known my father to be a flippant person especially when it comes to matters of religion.

fratermathy:
Nothing is wrong with Cele. I have attended the church and those who are sensitive to spiritual vibrations would quickly realise that something is right with the church. From the symbolism of items such as palmfronds, candle, incense, water, coconut, etc, to the beautiful songs which contain divine sounds. One of the songs I enjoy most in Cele is this one:

"Ya-ra/ sa-ma / ya-raaaa / sa-ma-tha".

It changes the atmosphere and you can almost see the holy of holies descending there and then.

Oshoffa had a clear apostolic mandate but many of the succeeding leaders tampered with that madate.

In my final analysis, Celestial Church is, like any other church, a place where Christians can worship God. The only difference is that the Church emphasises the gifts of the holy spirit, focuses a lot on the old testament, and has a whole lot of spiritual dynamics which many orthodox Christians may never understand.


At the end of the day, there are good Christians and pastors/prophets and there are also bad ones. This is the same with every other church!

Nauttyprof:


Your research was only carried out in your room.

Infact I have met several Cele members in pentecostal programmes who 'secretly' do this.

What testimonies? Don't be biased as I have also seen Cele members give testimonies in pentecostals and also say how they didn't get their miracles in Cele

babaolofin:


Research and analysis are done to obtain results based on set criteria and not for online rantings or irrational discussion.

Those online know who is right. A General Overseer of a very big Pentecostal Church once directed a member to return a very big offering used as Thanksgiving Offering to a Celestial Church Prophet/Shepherd where such miracle was received. About two weeks ago, I was opportuned to meet an old man who is a Senior Prophet who followed the Prophet to see the GO of this very big Pentecostal Church on invitation. What transpired baffled me.
Some of the unbelievable testimonies you hear are actually after several prophetic works from the Celestial Church. Amen, I received it don't just work like that for some issues.

In Nigeria today, despite division and factions that came out of Celestial Church, if the main Celestial Church have projects running to many billions of Naira, there are several people - Captains of Industries, politicians and other people in different sectors of economy that will foot the bill. These people are not seen publicly with Celestial Church, but they are patrons of the Church.

I close my case.

Nauttyprof:



You are speaking by your thoughts and reasoning matters based on just human reasoning but I spoke what God's word says.

Try read the Bible to understand what the Bible says for proper and better understanding of the position of the Bible.

Please, read Hebrews 8:7 to have a better understanding.

So, can you see that what you typed does not hold anything or reasoning?

Understand that there are many things to go with the Old when the new came into operation.

God uses people differently but does not go against what the Bible clearly has corrected. Holyspirit does not contradict the word of God rather He gives more understanding as to God's word.

Please, read your Bible well as you seem to operate on reasoning. When you dig deep into what God's word says you will have a better understanding.

I have not told you anything outside God's word.

Nauttyprof:


So because Pope rose up mean what?

Kindly explain further

Zoey95:


Christian association of Nigeria were critiszing the church and the poor was invited, telling the pope that CCC is a devils church and it's fetish just like every other person are saying it. but for the Glory of God to shine when the Pope came and met Papa Oschoffa in TBS the Pope stood up from his sit. this to the amazement of CAN.

all am just pointing out is CCC has been critisize since from the birth of the church but instead of it to go down it keeps on growing.

MiddleDimension:


a pentecostal church is that one that focuses on the gift of the holy spirit especially speaking in tongues healing and vision. you agree cele is a pentecostal church, right?

fratermathy:


It is a pentecostal church but devoid of many elements of conventional pentecostalism. It is more precisely an Aladura church and shares features with other member churches of the Aladura movement.

MiddleDimension:


a pentecostal church is that one that focuses on the gift of the holy spirit especially speaking in tongues healing and vision. you agree cele is a pentecostal church, right?

otipoju:


First thing I want to ask you is this.

What exactly is the Old Testament and what is the New Testament. What do they mean to you?

Let's start from this basic and educate ourselves as we proceed.