Saddamochieng00:


Let all those countries wanting to build Africa's tallest tower build theirs first and then we come and drop something bigger.

.. True.
Only outside North Africa and South Africa.
We'll secure the that stage gap.

It is only in Kenya and North Korea that tall buildings become national pride

I think you know the similarities between the two.

rvp2018:
Tall buildings are source of national pride everywhere except Ghana. The first tall building in Kenya was the iconic KICC. It was the eiffel tower - and I can tell you millions of pictures have been taken around it.

It was built by KANU - kenya's de-facto and later de-jure political party.

KANU was not satifisied with KICC - 28 floors with rotating tower (32).

They wanted to build tallest building in Africa - 60 floors - to mark I think something - I think Moi's 10yr rule.

The problem they wanted to build right in Nairobi's central park. Enviromentalist caused so much ruckus. The project died.

The site KANU wanted to build it - is now known as the freedom corner. KANU regime came hard on enviromentalist but they fought with everything.

Prof Maathai won a Nobel for this and other things.

@rvp2018 Look at this intelligent man not some cheap fake news journalist( Kenyan) at the economist.
His name is Tim staermose.

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/oped/Tanzania-s-economy-is-awful--Is-this-gospel-truth/1840568-5603648-view-asAMP-8xn3qdz/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Shma:
.. True.
Only outside North Africa and South Africa.
We'll secure the that stage gap.

We're aiming for "biggest in Africa" kind of projects we're tired of the usual "East and Central Africa" or "Sub-Sahara Africa"

They didn't see - they analyzed many data points. They don't just randomly pick winners. Nairobi was below 30 then climbed slowly to No 6. Obviously for last few years we have trouble in real estate - so it may not be long before we are out.

samorobo:


When I see nairobi I do you see a fast growing modern city..I see a third world growing slumpolis...

So are you saying they thought nairobi is the fastest growing city in africa and that earned Hetherington dynamism title.

Shma:
Final touches on Kenya's parliament tower.
The antenna and underground tunnel is now being fixed.
#Singapore here we come.
If you think you can't stand kenya development, then go die there mother f*ckr.
On the other hand, the new baby tower of upperhill is now on light testing process, the tower will be one of the iconic in upperhill.

Other other hand, the famous GTC is now setting up its bridge.
#Singapore here we come.

To conclude, one of the ultramodest roads in africa is moving at the right pace. cranes have been fixed in different places to facilitate the process.

Yet when we say similar things you call it wet dreamscape then you go ahead and do the same thing if we call it wet dreams then you’ll insult us, double standards are just flying around here.

zhike:

One of the reasons Nigeria is not developing is because they keep mistreating the foreign investors.
Nigeria will be like Zimbabwe in few years time.

There are too many stores, supermarkets, aboki stores etc everywhere that one doesn't need to go to ShopRite.

ShopRite can't compete. EOD

Abohboy:


Yet when we say similar things you call it wet dreamscape then you go ahead and do the same thing if we call it wet dreams then you’ll insult us, double standards are just flying around here.

that's why I gave you construction pics and existing things.
And take note of this; maybe because he has slightly changed, but his work was to debunk everything kenyan progress and shout wet pipe in every projects in Kenya.
Calling out your wet pipe dream wasn't intentional but just returning the favour.
I guess you know the person, he knows himself too. The day will not end without him quoting this post

Abohboy:


So now you admit rich Nigerians are living in Karen. Thank you he has finally greed, most rich Nigerians have a house in Ikoyi, Lekki and Johannesburg and Cape Town and engkand and in America if they buy a house in Kenya they’re not going to live there.

In terms of Nirobi juts few Nigerians..most rich folks coming are from Europe an America..very few rich Nigerians here...but..but the bedsitters are already here..

rvp2018:
Stop gossiping like the Nigeria market women. If you were mature and intelligent, you would flag my lies whenever I lie. That shouldn't be hard for you because you reckon I do it often. It very easy in the information age to fact check anything. It's made Google so much billion. I first googled I think in 1998 - when it was Stanford project - and not the best search engine - it's only appeal was the fact that it run no ads.

Otherwise, it appears, I have gotten into your head, so much, you don't engage in anything, except the futile attempt to denigrate my moniker. You should already have known that such nonsense have zero effect on me. By 1999 - I was already online so I have grown very very thick skin.

I respect folks who make sound arguments backed by facts, rationality and empiricism.

The rest of your nonsense and the gang I have the utmost contempt.

Make or refute arguments using sound argumentation. That is all we care for in human race.

You penned a novella all because we underlined the fact that a fellow little Indian accepted you a liar. A fact everybody knows here from the South Africans to Tanzanians and Ghanaians.

How many times have I refuted your lies here with facts, figures and charts? Too many to remember. You know I am your torturer here.

And you just blew another lie! You said you googled for the first time in 1998. Can you prove that by any means? What is it with you and trying to look grand by lying up and down?

Google was not launched as a company until 1998 and even then its influence was limited mainly to America! It was still in a fvcking garage by then! How did you a Kenyan living in Kenya google in 1998? The popular search sites then were the likes of Lycos. Where were you in 98, you stupid liar?
Probably in kibera.

obaaderemi:
You penned a novella all because we underlined the fact that a fellow little Indian accepted you a liar. A fact everybody knows here from the South Africans to Tanzanians and Ghanaians.

How many times have I refuted your lies here with facts, figures and charts? Too many to remember. You know I am your torturer here.

And you just blew another lie! You said you googled for the first time in 1998. Can you prove that by any means? What is it with you and trying to look grand by lying up and down?

Google was not launched as a company until 1998 and even then its influence was limited mainly to America! It was still in a fvcking garage by then! How did you a Kenyan living in Kenya google in 1998? The popular search sites then were the likes of Lycos. Where were you in 98, you stupid liar?
Probably in kibera.

mtisTheQubit:

its funny you mention 1998..

It's a dumb lie. Even in America, the home of Google, it was little known by 1998. And your boy said he was already using Google by then.

Shma:
that's why I gave you construction pics and existing things.
And take note of this; maybe because he has slightly changed, but his work was to debunk everything kenyan progress and shout wet pipe in every projects in Kenya.
Calling out your wet pipe dream wasn't intentional but just returning the favour.
I guess you know the person, he knows himself too. The day will not end without him quoting this post

I have also provided images and not just renders in Eko Atlantic, Abuja, Kano, port harcourt, etc.

Abohboy:


They are going to be bought by tony amusan and renamed, because they are not able to stop their import based commodity business, so they’re selling away their stocks to a Nigerian who understands. The business.

Shoprite is leaving Australia as well.
It's a good thing for Nigerians. In Ibadan here, Foodco is expanding fast.
And it's a good thing a Nigerian is taking over shoprite. The company whose back I really want to see is Dstv/Multi choice.

obaaderemi:
Shoprite is leaving Australia as well.
It's a good thing for Nigerians. In Ibadan here, Foodco is expanding fast.
And it's a good thing a Nigerian is taking over shoprite. The company whose back I really want to see is Dstv/Multi choice.

TSTV was supposed to take out dstv but I don’t know what happened to them

You sound like a little Arrow. I know you're a proud dung fly looking for fresh mould of dung. Let me dump more for your helping...

I was online as early as 1999. I started using computer in high school -97 and 98. After finishing high school - we had to wait for nearly 2yrs to be admitted to university - this was due to 90s student revolt against KANU dictatorship that basically meant universities were being opened and shut.

So I enrolled like most of did for IMIS diploma course - and we use to browse a lot of porn - and yes GOOGLE. There were many online searches - Lycos, Yahoo, and many. I was 18yrs then.

Nairobi had fiber and name it. Note kenya was trailblazer in internet connectivity. Africa Online was I think of Africa first ISP - owned by MIT kids - Makatiani, Ngweno and I forget the other guy - formed in 1994. I think they made fortune when they sold their ISP. Makatiani went to form FANISI capital.

In same year I was moonlighting in ISP - Kenya Online - owned by a family friend. I was hired to sit the servers at night - and basically browse. By time were in 2nd yr of campus - half the class were working. By 3rd year I was "fully" employed and by 4th year working for the UN.

The first time I participated in online forum was 2000 - I bet with were with "Kikuyu" then - (or someone close to him - Oldunn - the guy was genius but loved conspiracy theories) - it was called RCBowen.com (KenyaTalk) - run by white Kenyan. The level of debates there was pretty impressive. And quite revolutionary - we were fighting Moi and KANU.KenyaTalk itself was one Africa oldest forum - started in 1990s - when ftp/http had not even been 'discovered' - they were using i don't gopher protocol. Heck WWW was at infancy.

Yes when Seun of Nairaland was in diapers - KenyaTalk was online - in 1992.

obaaderemi:
You penned a novella all because we underlined the fact that a fellow little Indian accepted you a liar. A fact everybody knows here from the South Africans to Tanzanians and Ghanaians.

How many times have I refuted your lies here with facts, figures and charts? Too many to remember. You know I am your torturer here.

And you just blew another lie! You said you googled for the first time in 1998. Can you prove that by any means? What is it with you and trying to look grand by lying up and down?

Google was not launched as a company until 1998 and even then its influence was limited mainly to America! It was still in a fvcking garage by then! How did you a Kenyan living in Kenya google in 1998? The popular search sites then were the likes of Lycos. Where were you in 98, you stupid liar?
Probably in kibera.

Abohboy:


I have also provided images and not just renders in Eko Atlantic, Abuja, Kano, port harcourt, etc.

have I ever debunked your post?

You Nigerians are just primitive. My uncle was programming in COBOL in 1980s for Kenya companies. Nigeria in the meantime were under military rule.

forgiveness:

Shma:
have I ever debunked your post?

It is either you or rvp I can’t quite recall.

rvp2018:
You Nigerians are just primitive. My uncle was programming in COBOL in 1980s for Kenya companies. Nigeria in the meantime were under military rule.

Really were primitive. My uncle was part of the creation of the internet, he added a few lines of code into what is today known as the internet. It was an open source programming project. Back then you could add multiple things to it if you wanted. Stop generalizing people under one group I hate it when people do that added to that Nigeria was under civilian rule from 1979-1980 so shut up

Not the Philiph Emigwahi con I hope. While we were fighting Moi in 90s - Nigeria had basically given up hope. Thank God for viagra - otherwise Sani Abacha would probably be going for his 30yrs tenure.

Man, we use to see Daniel Moi, and think Sani Abacha, and say we are lucky.

Those Nigerian face marks; Man I was suprised to this day; your primitives ares still doing it.

Abohboy:


Really were primitive. My uncle was part of the creation of the internet, he added a few lines of code into what is today known as the internet. It was an open source programming project. Back then you could add multiple things to it if you wanted. Stop generalizing people under one group I hate it when people do that added to that Nigeria was under civilian rule from 1979-1980 so shut up

always busting his ass

obaaderemi:
It's a dumb lie. Even in America, the home of Google, it was little known by 1998. And your boy said he was already using Google by then.

rvp2018:
Not the Philiph Emigwahi con I hope. While we were fighting Moi in 90s - Nigeria had basically given up hope. Thank God for viagra - otherwise Sani Abacha would probably be going for his 30yrs tenure.

Man, we use to see Daniel Moi, and think Sani Abacha, and say we are lucky.

No not him my own uncle, Nigerians were all over the world doing great things behind the scenes, and you wouldn’t know anything about it. We are humble we don’t shout about great things.

Abohboy:


It is either you or rvp I can’t quite recall.

if you don't back-up your pics with concrete facts then I will assume it's a wet pipe dream.
Maybe it way me.
But then again, I don't just do it to anyone, maybe samorobo.

rvp2018:
They didn't see - they analyzed many data points. They don't just randomly pick winners. Nairobi was below 30 then climbed slowly to No 6. Obviously for last few years we have trouble in real estate - so it may not be long before we are out.

Which data?
And how was your data the most superior among the rest of Africa.

obaaderemi:
You penned a novella all because we underlined the fact that a fellow little Indian accepted you a liar. A fact everybody knows here from the South Africans to Tanzanians and Ghanaians.

How many times have I refuted your lies here with facts, figures and charts? Too many to remember. You know I am your torturer here.

And you just blew another lie! You said you googled for the first time in 1998. Can you prove that by any means? What is it with you and trying to look grand by lying up and down?

Google was not launched as a company until 1998 and even then its influence was limited mainly to America! It was still in a fvcking garage by then! How did you a Kenyan living in Kenya google in 1998? The popular search sites then were the likes of Lycos. Where were you in 98, you stupid liar?
Probably in kibera.

Lol busted as usual for the cheap ass lying slut that he is...

Nigerians have become chauvinistic about Kenya and their modus operandi is their bigotry to paint themselves as the masters of achievement,all facts point that both Lagos and Abuja are actually not in the league worth competing for.
Since they are preoccupied with what others are doing,they forget to modernize their own cities,they have scammed every thing Lagos/Abuja but facts don't lie.
Nigeria with a population of about 200 million people and pride itself as African biggest economy is actually far contrast to what we would have expect of the largest economy in Africa,infrastructures still wanting in their cities and nothing much to talk about in both cities.
Proponent who glorify this misconceived status of Abuja and Lagos just want satisfied their ego,when we compares developed world countries and equate that to African situation,the rivalry between Naija chaps and kenya vs South africa would be;"Kenya would represent China,S.Africa would be USA and Nigeria would be IRAN"...
Let them keep own burying their heads in the sand like a wounded ostrich but the cruel truth when we compare developments,you play a second fiddle to Kenya.
There is a male chauvinist pig who doesn't care to listen,i know he will be the first to comment here.......waiting for his juvenile comments

Shma:
that's why I gave you construction pics and existing things.
And take note of this; maybe because he has slightly changed, but his work was to debunk everything kenyan progress and shout wet pipe in every projects in Kenya.
Calling out your wet pipe dream wasn't intentional but just returning the favour.
I guess you know the person, he knows himself too. The day will not end without him quoting this post

Who is that person?
You gat us all curious now...spit it out

rvp2018:
Actually Ghana you need to start from primary schools. 375,000 students graduating primary (BECE) is small number. I think kenya we typical have 1M plus kids graduating primary (KCPE = BECE).

So if you consider the population of Kenya and Ghana - you should be graduating 700,000 primary kids every year.

It appears 50% of Ghanian kids are not making to end of primary school.

So your problems are VERY VERY VERY BASIC.

Out lucky 50% - who make it to the end of primary school - 60% don't have any desk in high schools.

And the solution is to half-baked education where kids go in turns - go home for 3 months - double track.

When it come to university and colleges - look like enrollment is decent 300,000 - but how many Nigerians are in that number? Nearly 1/3 - 75,000 - let add other foreigners - so essentially you're talking 200,000 - a very small number indeed.

In single year - Kenya gov sponsored students are nearly 150,000.

Yet again the MVP sees the OBVIOUS thanks to his forensic detail numbers crunching!
Srsly,WAs why don't you hire him even if only temporarily for your collective HR development.

Shma:
Singapore here we come.!!
These are not just proposed Buldings but under construction.
Singapore! Singapore! Singapore

You do know I can debunk every one of this right

Abohboy:


I don’t know maybe she got it from a farm In Nigeria, or it fell from space right idiot.

The same farm Shoprite can't locate and is forced to sell corn at 5X the SA price? Enchantment are u listening?

Oh Nigerians and their lies.

MtuMsuper:
I am back .
I left this thread on post no 1862 some few years back. In fact i havent logged into nairaland since god knows when. I am shocked to see it still alive. What have I missed? Someone please give me the major highlights since the time I left....

Good you're back! We dismantled the Giant ululations about their 500 bn USD economy with simple comparative consumption stats ie steel, cement, KWHs, cars per thousand, beer etc.
They stuttered and screamed ati their agri sector alone is 100 bn USD, Brazil level! We picked apart that joke and showed how their Stats Gen,Yemi Kale should be either crucified and sacked or crucified and jailed.
We looked at Naij and our salaries and its painful. Fyi, a KA Maj can pay 3 of his Lagos counterpart: same thing with cops, teachers, docs etc.
Mid last year we discovered Gh was just another Naij; just better disguised. They suffer identical socio cultural dysfunctions of slavery like Trokosi, excessive voodoo, contempt for human life, inability to idealise productive labour and other behaviours, a US researcher calls Post Traumatic SLave Disorder; the natural outcome of centuries of slave trading, which while hugely exaggerated was still harmful on multiple levels.

We also found the reason for the natural aggression of SOME PEOPLE who are actually largely Neanderthal. Its genetically rooted in the Original Caucasians who are Ashkenazi(fake Jews), Dagestanis, Chechens and others in a mountain region extending into C Asia. Btw, there are still relict Neanderthal creatures in these parts.

A deep dive into true African history revealed there was no Bantu migration from Cameroon via the Congo to Africa. Instead Bantus were in AE and the ME. DNA evidence revealed this as well as the largely Bantu origin of King Tut and Ramesses the 3rd.

Geniuses have been looping back excessively over these issues which seem to cause rectal pain.

Those are the main points, offhead.