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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:02am On Aug 05, 2020
TheGoodJoe:


Rodgers is better tactically than Mourinho. Rodgers was able to transform Leicester City to one of the best playing sides in the EPL. Mourinho can not achieve that with a better quality tottenham.

I would not say that.

Mourinho is a manager that is tactically astute, strategic and great at building teams, in this regard OUTSTANDING.

However, he is not a coach, Rogers is a manager and a coach. He develops he molds and improves players in some regards creates players, he pushes them to the next level with individual one on one coaching to improve them and their role in the team.

Then he knits them into a team after talking an average player he transforms the player to another level.

Unfortunately Mourinho cannot do that in many regards Mourinho destroys players, forcing them to become what they are not and in the end he discards them. Mourinho looks for ready made players not playere he can make.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by feelme2020: 10:09am On Aug 05, 2020
For once i agree with you Komekn. He does not develop players from scratch and this is what i noticed about him.

komekn:


I would not say that.

Mourinho is a manager that is tactically astute, strategic and great at building teams, in this regard OUTSTANDING.

However, he is not a coach, Rogers is a manager and a coach. He develops he molds and improves players in some regards creates players, he pushes them to the next level with individual one on one coaching to improve them and their role in the team.

Then he knits them into a team after talking an average player he transforms the player to another level.

Unfortunately Mourinho cannot do that in many regards Mourinho destroys players, forcing them to become what they are not and in the end he discards them. Mourinho looks for ready made players not playere he can make.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JayromWrites: 10:09am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:


Posting a link of a former madrid player trolling pique got nothing to do with pique being good or bad

Many legends of the game have always rated pique as world class so I don’t know why people will take Oscar Ruggeri serious who was throwing a jibe grin

Well, i just want to point out something

To each his own

You might not rate Maguire but a world class defender Pique does

Speaking to the Express, Pique cemented the notion that United did the right thing in investing in the former Leicester City defender, drawing comparisons to two big defenders: “It happened before with Van Dijk (for Liverpool) and before about ten years ago with Rio Ferdinand. Culturally they (English clubs) invest a lot in good defenders and Harry Maguire is a great defender.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:10am On Aug 05, 2020
TheGoodJoe:
The possession kings

It starts with possession. Fulham averaged 69 per cent in their opening 10 games, including 84 per cent in a 4-0 hammering of Millwall. No team in England's top two divisions has enjoyed more of the ball. Fulham take care of the ball in a similar way to City, too - their 88 per cent passing accuracy is comfortably the second-highest in the top two leagues, and only narrowly lower than City's.


https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11681/11827021/fulham-under-scott-parker-the-man-city-of-the-championship

I have talked about this for some time.

How many second tier league can compete with the quality of the top level of the Championship. However many second tier leagues have World class coaches and managers for example Bielsa, Benitez, Cocu, etc.

Is there any team in second tier league of Europe that is technically better or you think that can even beat them.

Finally, best players follow the money, this always the way. Look at the entire transfer expenditure of the Segunda División and look at Fulham transfer expenditure. That tells a story.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:14am On Aug 05, 2020
JayromWrites:


Well, i just want to point out something

To each his own

You might not rate Maguire but a world class defender Pique does

Speaking to the Express, Pique cemented the notion that United did the right thing in investing in the former Leicester City defender, drawing comparisons to two big defenders: “It happened before with Van Dijk (for Liverpool) and before about ten years ago with Rio Ferdinand. Culturally they (English clubs) invest a lot in good defenders and Harry Maguire is a great defender.

Where did pique say maguire is world class ?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:24am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


I have talked about this for some time.

How many second tier league can compete with the quality of the top level of the Championship. However many second tier leagues have World class coaches and managers for example Bielsa, Benitez, Cocu, etc.

Is there any team in second tier league of Europe that is technically better or you think that can even beat them.

Finally, best players follow the money, this always the way. Look at the entire transfer expenditure of the Segunda División and look at Fulham transfer expenditure. That tells a story.


Any second tier can have world class coaches as far as you can pay up

Coaches do leave European football and go to Asia for more money so that’s not an issue

Spanish second division can not afford to even pay their players well let alone having world class coaches

Should I remind you that Benitez was even earning better salary with Newcastle in the championship than what some coaches are earning in the epl ?

Anthony Knockaert left Brighton to join Fulham in the championship in a more lucrative deal

If you doubt me google is there for you
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 10:25am On Aug 05, 2020
Happy birthday Jamilu Collins

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:26am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:
Wait ooo so na because of 34 championship games and 4 goals and 3 assist for an attacking midfielder make us Dey make noise about onomah ?

Abeg that stats is not good enough for the super eagles let alone the English team

E be like say una don start again for this thread

Will he even be a regular when Fulham makes it to the epl ?

This guy is not even good as ebere eze self and yet some of una Dey tip am for the English team

Una Dey always think say all this guys na the best thing after slice bread

As far as I am concerned this guy stand no chance to play for English

I have said this before statistics is only half the story not the full story.

Statistics are indicative and not conclusive.

Do you know Zaha statistics in some areas are not impressive but without Zaha Crystal Palace would probably be battling with relegation.

There are no stats to measure how a player drives his whole team forward, influences the team positively and is the center of what they do.

You need to watch players in full games and if you can in training to get a more comprehensive picture.

If you go right back l said that out of Eze, Oviemuno in my opinion Tega was the best. However, when he lost form and all the issues with Tottenham plus having knee surgery, l kept quite there was nothing to report.

But now he is back doing what l have always known him to be capable of doing.

Finally, he doesn't eat fish and chips it's Ukodo.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:38am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:


Any second tier can have world class coaches as far as you can pay up

Coaches do leave European football and go to Asia for more money so that’s not an issue

Spanish second division can not afford to even pay their players well let alone having world class coaches

Should I remind you that Benitez was even earning better salary with Newcastle in the championship than what some coaches are earning in the epl ?

Anthony Knockaert left Brighton to join Fulham in the championship in a more lucrative deal

If you doubt me google is there for you

I do not doubt you at all.

Ritchie left Bournemouth and went to Newcastle when they were in the Championship. Vokes left Burnley to Stoke, the list is endless.

But you are saying what l am saying in a different way. There are many players that will rather play in the Championship than go to the bottom half of La Liga and or Seria A. In these leagues the larger % of the money rests with the top clubs and mid table clubs. There is a huge gulf between the bottom section and thier second tiers are very poor.

Imagine Leganes thier most expensive player is Omeruo for €5 million and they are in La Liga. That's the type of money used to compete in English League one.

I know players in English league 2 on £6k a week, go and look at what Cadiz plays some of thier players, even Huesca.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:40am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


I have said this before statistics is only half the story not the full story.

Statistics are indicative and not conclusive.

Do you know Zaha statistics in some areas are not impressive but without Zaha Crystal Palace would probably be battling with relegation.

There are no stats to measure how a player drives his whole team forward, influences the team positively and is the center of what they do.

You need to watch players in full games and if you can in training to get a more comprehensive picture.

If you go right back l said that out of Eze, Oviemuno in my opinion Tega was the best. However, when he lost form and all the issues with Tottenham plus having knee surgery, l kept quite there was nothing to report.

But now he is back doing what l have always known him to be capable of doing.

Finally, he doesn't eat fish and chips it's Ukodo.


Hmmmm
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by babatundey5: 10:43am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


I have said this before statistics is only half the story not the full story.

Statistics are indicative and not conclusive.

Do you know Zaha statistics in some areas are not impressive but without Zaha Crystal Palace would probably be battling with relegation.

There are no stats to measure how a player drives his whole team forward, influences the team positively and is the center of what they do.

You need to watch players in full games and if you can in training to get a more comprehensive picture.

If you go right back l said that out of Eze, Oviemuno in my opinion Tega was the best. However, when he lost form and all the issues with Tottenham plus having knee surgery, l kept quite there was nothing to report.

But now he is back doing what l have always known him to be capable of doing.

Finally, he doesn't eat fish and chips it's Ukodo.
Looking at onomah yesterday I would say he was quite impressive, he boossed the midfield, he was almost everywhere even though Fulham attack was not sharp without mitrovic.

Looking at him yesterday I agree with you that stat are indicative not conclusive

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 10:45am On Aug 05, 2020
When Segunda dey play their own playoffs sef? Any idea, Nerd?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:47am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


I would not say that.

Mourinho is a manager that is tactically astute, strategic and great at building teams, in this regard OUTSTANDING.

However, he is not a coach, Rogers is a manager and a coach. He develops he molds and improves players in some regards creates players, he pushes them to the next level with individual one on one coaching to improve them and their role in the team.

Then he knits them into a team after talking an average player he transforms the player to another level.

Unfortunately Mourinho cannot do that in many regards Mourinho destroys players, forcing them to become what they are not and in the end he discards them. Mourinho looks for ready made players not playere he can make.

@ bolded...abeg give me a list of at least 5 players that fall into this category....
In return,I will give you a list of 10 young talented players whose career were ruined or almost ruined by Rodgers...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:47am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


I do not double you at all.

Ritchie left Bournemouth and went to Newcastle when they were in the Championship. Vokes left Burnley to Stoke, the list is endless.

But you are saying what l am saying in a different way. There are many players that will rather play in the Championship than go to the bottom half of La Liga and or Seria A. In these leagues the larger % of the money rests with the top clubs and mid table clubs. There is a huge gulf between the bottom section and thier Devon tiers are very poor.

Imagine Leganes thier most expensive player is Omeruo for €5 million and they are in La Liga. That's the type of money used to compete in English League one.

I know players in English league 2 on £6k a week, go and look at what Cadiz plays some of thier players, even Huesca.


The players that will play in the championship ahead of those bottom leganes teams are only going for the money, if you even see 10k weekly collect from laliga bottom teams then you try, championship that you will easily get 25k to 30k weekly , one of the reason wey i no 2 blame etebo for joining stoke, i can bet that etebo was not earning more than 2,500 euros weekly at Feirense or e no go reach self

Lol see as you dey yab leganes, anyway thats the fact, leganes na very poor club

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:49am On Aug 05, 2020
ChrisKels:
When Segunda dey play their own playoffs sef? Any idea, Nerd?

First leg on the 13th

Second leg on the 16th
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:49am On Aug 05, 2020
Danielnino00:


@ bolded...abeg give me a list of at least 5 players that fall into this category....
In return,I will give you a list of 10 young talented players whose career were ruined or almost ruined by Rodgers...

Please give me the list of players rodgers almost ruined their career

I want to check something bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:55am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:


Please give me the list of players rodgers almost ruined their career

I want to check something bro

You could answer the initial question first...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nostradamus1: 10:55am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


I[b] have said this before statistics is only half the story not the full story.

Statistics are indicative and not conclusive
.[/b]

Do you know Nacho statistics in some areas are not impressive but without Nacho Leicester would probably have a deficit of 7 goals which can affect there league standing


There are no stats to measure how a player drives his whole team forward, influences the team positively and is the center of what they do.

.
Can you say the same for iheanacho when you are screaming 10 goals in 100 matches undecided

Smh

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:57am On Aug 05, 2020
Danielnino00:


You could answer the initial question first...

Whats the question ?

The players rodgers almost ruined
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:57am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:


Whats the question ?

You didn't read the post you quoted well?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:58am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:


He might not start ooo

I think the coach prefers varane and lenglet

But Laporte is better than lenglet sha

Well u never know with that lucky clown in charge of France.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 11:01am On Aug 05, 2020
Point of correction bros, there is nothing like hate mastery,



majority of reasons why people hate themsekves, is cos of envy, strife and Jealousy,

so you saying the white are jealous of we Blacks?






IDENNAA:


You got me bleeped up. The reason why the whites keep wining is because they have mastered the act of hatism, while Africans keep hoping to make heaven....lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:05am On Aug 05, 2020
Danielnino00:


You didn't read the post you quoted well?

Na question i dey ask oo make i confirm something

I was not arguing against you
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:16am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:


Na question i dey ask oo make i confirm something

I was not arguing against you

Who is talking about argument now?

Oya, here you go...

Take note, I said "ruined or almost ruined" their careers..

1) Iago Aspas
2) Lazar Markovic
3) Adam Lallana
4) Luis Alberto
5) Suso
6) Aly Cissokho(on loan .. mismanaged)
7) Nuri Sahin (on loan... mismanaged)
cool Firmino (he was totally anonymous until Klopp came in)
9) Origi (Same situation as Firmino)
10) Fabio Borini

IMO, the only players Rodgers did a good job at developing are Coutinho and Sterling... The likes of Sturridge and Suarez were already proven goalscorers who were able to thrive under Rodgers because of his offensive style of play...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:20am On Aug 05, 2020
Danielnino00:


Who is talking about argument now?

Oya, here you go...

Take note, I said "ruined or almost ruined" their careers..

1) Iago Aspas
2) Lazar Markovic
3) Adam Lallana
4) Luis Alberto
5) Suso
6) Aly Cissokho(on loan .. mismanaged)
7) Nuri Sahin (on loan... mismanaged)
cool Firmino (he was totally anonymous until Klopp came in)
9) Origi (Same situation as Firmino)
10) Fabio Borini

IMO, the only players Rodgers did a good job at developing are Coutinho and Sterling... The likes of Sturridge and Suarez were already proven goalscorers who were able to thrive under Rodgers because of his offensive style of play...

Okay thank you

Was lallana almost ruined ?

Anyway

Na Suso Luis alberto aspas and sahin i wan check , i just remembered this aly sissoko, very good player

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:22am On Aug 05, 2020
Nostradamus1:

Can you say the same for iheanacho when you are screaming 10 goals in 100 matches undecided

Smh

His statistics combined with his game play over the past three seasons show a player that is very poor in comparison to the expectations of his transfer fee.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:32am On Aug 05, 2020
Danielnino00:


@ bolded...abeg give me a list of at least 5 players that fall into this category....
In return,I will give you a list of 10 young talented players whose career were ruined or almost ruined by Rodgers...

Raheem Sterling
Jordan Ibe
Joe Gomez
Dembele
Ndidi
Iheanacho

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:35am On Aug 05, 2020
andrewbaba44:


The players that will play in the championship ahead of those bottom leganes teams are only going for the money, if you even see 10k weekly collect from laliga bottom teams then you try, championship that you will easily get 25k to 30k weekly , one of the reason wey i no 2 blame etebo for joining stoke, i can bet that etebo was not earning more than 2,500 euros weekly at Feirense or e no go reach self

Lol see as you dey yab leganes, anyway thats the fact, leganes na very poor club

You can look at it another way which Championship team will buy a defender from Turkish league.

Admittedly Brentford have found a way to compete, they look for the most outstanding players in any league that they can buy for less money.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:37am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


You can look at it another way which Championship team will buy a defender from Turkish league.

Admittedly Brentford have found a way to compete, they look for the most outstanding players in any league that they can buy for less money.

You should have asked Which Turkish league player will want to come to the championship ?

Please don disrespect the Turkish league

They pay players well there

Any young players doing well in the turkey league have always move to a better league and not the championship
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by IDENNAA(m): 11:39am On Aug 05, 2020
do4luv14:


Point of correction bros, there is nothing like hate mastery,



majority of reasons why people hate themsekves, is cos of envy, strife and Jealousy,

so you saying the white are jealous of we Blacks?



With all due respect , sir , dont reply my post again until you learn simple comprehension. What is wrong with these peoole!





Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:39am On Aug 05, 2020
komekn:


Raheem Sterling
Jordan Ibe
Joe Gomez
Dembele
Ndidi
Iheanacho

Gomez? Nope!
He played very few games under Rodgers before Klopp came in..

Ibe?? Nope!
He was largely a youth prospect throughout his time under Rodgers and didn't play much...

I pretty much agree with the rest...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:39am On Aug 05, 2020
Stay motivated cool

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