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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 8:23pm On Aug 06, 2020
Subzero047:


Iwobi is no longer at Arsenal, I'm judging him with recent stats, Aribo and Ejaria had more assists playing as CMs than him at AM so going by creativity and output he should not be starting for the national team

I don't hate him, I just feel like it's time to tweak our midfield and replacing him with Ejaria gives our midfield balance, gives our fullbacks protection and license to go forward, adds more guile and ball possession to our style of play

Liverpool's midfield is not the yardstick for a 3 man midfield, you can check Madrid's, Leicester's, Man U's, Tottenham's maybe your affinity to Liverpool makes you believe that a 2 man CM cannot create


Iwobi struggled this season with Everton,and that's normal... Some players struggle when they join a new team...
But trying to dismiss his creative ability is a weak attempt at trying to discredit him..

I'd rather replace Iwobi with Eze in midfield..
Assuming we have fullbacks that are effective in attack,I won't mind having Aribo and Ejaria... but since we don't, let's stick with the AM role..

Modified: Leicester have Madison and Tottenham have Alli..
So what are u saying??

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 8:30pm On Aug 06, 2020
Danielnino00:


Iwobi struggled this season with Everton,and that's normal... Some players struggle when they join a new team...
But trying to dismiss his creative ability is a weak attempt at trying to discredit him..

I'd rather replace Iwobi with Eze in midfield..

Assuming we have fullbacks that are effective in attack,I won't mind having Aribo and Ejaria... but since we don't, let's stick with the AM role..


I know it is change you are afraid of grin If we are to compete with the best in the world we have to adapt to new tactics

Fullbacks get confident and creative if they know they have cover, Imagine Jamilu Collins going into attack knowing he has absolutely no cover. This happened with the Leicester team when Ndidi was absent, Vardy stopped scoring and the whole team collapsed because they were not assured of the defensive solidity
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 8:32pm On Aug 06, 2020
Danielnino00:


Iwobi struggled this season with Everton,and that's normal... Some players struggle when they join a new team...
But trying to dismiss his creative ability is a weak attempt at trying to discredit him..

I'd rather replace Iwobi with Eze in midfield..
Assuming we have fullbacks that are effective in attack,I won't mind having Aribo and Ejaria... but since we don't, let's stick with the AM role..

Modified: Leicester have Madison and Tottenham have Alli..
So what are u saying??

Maddison plays in an 8 with Tielemans, Tottenham play with Ndombele and Le Celso as 8s
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 8:38pm On Aug 06, 2020
Subzero047:


I know it is change you are afraid of grin If we are to compete with the best in the world we have to adapt to new tactics

Fullbacks get confident and creative if they know they have cover, Imagine Jamilu Collins going into attack knowing he has absolutely no cover. This happened with the Leicester team when Ndidi was absent, Vardy stopped scoring and the whole team collapsed because they were not assured of the defensive solidity

Nothing like being afraid of change..
It is a case of "you can't give what you don't have"..

Pray tell me,what's stopping Jamilu Collins and our other fullbacks from joining the attacks at their clubsides if they are so good at it?
We played with two holding midfielders in Etebo and Ndidi yet they couldn't join the attack.. what makes you think the combo of Aribo and Ejaria will suddenly inspire instill the spirit of Dani Alves and Marcelo inside them?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 8:44pm On Aug 06, 2020
TheLoneCitizen:
Eric Garcia is close to a move from Manchester City to Barcelona to replace Pique.

That means Adarabioyo might be back up striker for Manchester City. The player has been talking tough about breaking into the first team, wants to be EPL and UCL winner as well as club captain in 5 years. All this after a fine loan spell at Blackburn.

At this rate Nigeria might find it difficult to poach him.

You think adarabioyo will have a chance as a backup at city ?

Anything is possible but we should be realistic most times

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzero047: 8:45pm On Aug 06, 2020
Danielnino00:


Nothing like being afraid of change..
It is a case of "you can't give what you don't have"..

Pray tell me,what's stopping Jamilu Collins and our other fullbacks from joining the attacks at their clubsides if they are so good at it?
We played with two holding midfielders in Etebo and Ndidi yet they couldn't join the attack.. what makes you think the combo of Aribo and Ejaria will suddenly inspire instill the spirit of Dani Alves and Marcelo inside them?

Maybe they're not good enough, but having no cover does not inspire confidence in a fullback to join the attack

My point still stands that having two creative midfielders is better than having one
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 8:52pm On Aug 06, 2020
Subzero047:


Maybe they're not good enough, but having no cover does not inspire confidence in a fullback to join the attack

My point still stands that having two creative midfielders is better than having one

@ first bolded... You should have said that before instead of beating around the bush...
@ second bolded... Aribo and Iwobi or Aribo and Eze will be a better creative midfield combo...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JayromWrites: 9:23pm On Aug 06, 2020
andrewbaba44:


You think adarabioyo will have a chance as a backup at city ?

Anything is possible but we should be realistic most times

Why can't he Andy?

He had a good season at Blackburn

If he builds on on that, he can be a good defender at city (not just a backup)


This is as realistic as realistic can be

Mangala, John stones, Otamendi all played for M.City

He can be better than them
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 9:30pm On Aug 06, 2020
As Roy Keane would say, it's his Job.
solonnachi:


But The Supernerd, Eze is feeling too pompous to play for Nigeria. Something tells me he will behave like VicMo even when he chooses to eventually play for Nigeria. No wonder Rohr is not too keen about him.

I must confess that Rohr is really trying. Keeping tabs on all these foreign born is not really easy. He really means well for Nigeria. Every role has become very competitive. He is not satisfied with his options. Still gunning for more stars. How I wish he can do the same for our league when it resumes.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 9:30pm On Aug 06, 2020
JayromWrites:


Why can't he Andy?

He had a good season at Blackburn

If he builds on on that, he can be a good defender at city (not just a backup)


This is as realistic as realistic can be

Mangala, John stones, Otamendi all played for M.City

He can be better than them

I like your hope for him as he is a naija player

He will have a chance maybe when pep leaves

These players you mentioned are miles ahead of adaribioyo,maybe you should have used Eric Garcia and zichenko as example

You think city is Chelsea that gave tomori a chance ?

You forget otamendi and stones are players for their national teams ?

Shebi na for adaribioyo front others player get chance

He won’t have a chance at city

I will eat my words when he does

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:47pm On Aug 06, 2020
For some reasons, he hasn't resumed with them yet. I know they say Covid but Samson Tijani was able to show up in Austria. Whatever it is, I hope he can resume soon enough with them.

gamaliel9:


Where is Amoo of Hammarby?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 9:50pm On Aug 06, 2020
komekn:

I know that you've made a mistake because you know Tosin is a defender.
Just noticed the mistake, thank you for correcting.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JayromWrites: 9:54pm On Aug 06, 2020
andrewbaba44:


I like your hope for him as he is a naija player

He will have a chance maybe when pep leaves

These players you mentioned are miles ahead of adaribioyo,maybe you should have used Eric Garcia and zichenko as example

You think city is Chelsea that gave tomori a chance ?

You forget otamendi and stones are players for their national teams ?

Shebi na for adaribioyo front others player get chance

He won’t have a chance at city

I will eat my words when he does

That's why i said He will only if he keeps improving

Nobody is certain if he will plays for the super eagles sef

I'm just saying one shouldn't be written off like that.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:03pm On Aug 06, 2020
isan:
Guadiola keep spending millions on defenders he never gave the young guys any chance

Like Foden, Zinchenko and Eric Garcia.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:08pm On Aug 06, 2020
TheLoneCitizen:
Eric Garcia is close to a move from Manchester City to Barcelona to replace Pique.

That means Adarabioyo might be back up defender for Manchester City. The player has been talking tough about breaking into the first team, wants to be EPL and UCL winner as well as club captain in 5 years. All this after a fine loan spell at Blackburn.

At this rate Nigeria might find it difficult to poach him.

Why will Barcelona not leave Eric Garcia for us? I tire.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:15pm On Aug 06, 2020
JayromWrites:


That's why i said He will only if he keeps improving

Nobody is certain if he will plays for the super eagles sef

I'm just saying one shouldn't be written off like that.

Understood

Not writing him off ,dude is young and have a bright future

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 10:17pm On Aug 06, 2020
TheLoneCitizen:
Jorge Mendes has arranged a move for Zaidu Sanusi to Porto. Jorge Mendes is a staff of Gestifute.

Zaidu linked up with super-agent Mendes in May in the hope a big move preferably Porto.

Gestifute is the player agency for Bernando Silva, Cristiano Ronaldo and other star Portuguese players.

Players usually sign up with Gestifute for a big move and after the agency is well-paid, they switch agency again. Joao Felix for instance.

Zaidu Sanusi has delivered the 11th most accurate crosses among defenders in the Portuguese league.

No Nigerian player has delivered more accurate crosses than the player.

Newly promoted Bundesliga team, Arminia Bielefeld have made public their interest in Zaidu Sanusi. But the sports director have claimed they cannot match the spending power of Benfica or Porto who are firm favorites to complete the signing.

Sanusi would go for nothing less than 3M to which the sporting director said, "Unfortunately, this is not feasible for us".

SOURCE: Neue Westfälische
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 10:29pm On Aug 06, 2020
andrewbaba44:


Nathan ake is not expensive as far as defenders are concerned

Who are the young guys pep should give chance at city ?

I am sure you watched a 19 year old Eric Garcia doing well with his little time under pep

So I don’t know the young guys you are talking about

Did you watch young zichenko also play as LB ?

It’s either you no Dey watch ball or you just want talk
Pep is no genius in this regard. The man has spent £400M in buying just defenders alone in his time so far in Man city.
Any half Wit on that sort of money can replicate his body of work building Man city defence.

What exactly is he doing with Ake, a left footed center back when he already has Laporte? Can he play 2 left footed players in center back?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 10:30pm On Aug 06, 2020
Danielnino00:


Why are u judging Iwobi with his stat at Everton?
What happened to the many chances and crosses he delivered at arsenal? He was their best chance creator after Ozil while he was there..
Even this season,he managed to create 2 big chances in the EPL..

@ your last paragraph, you clearly don't watch our fullbacks at club level.. Maybe you can indetify one or two of them that are very effective in attack at club level..
You want us to dump the AM role and try and play like Liverpool with two CM when we don't have fullbacks that can do the job...
What many chances did Iwobi create at Arsenal?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:35pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

What many chances did Iwobi create at Arsenal?

In his last two season at Arsenal,he created a total of 76 chances !

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 10:38pm On Aug 06, 2020
Danielnino00:


In his last two season at Arsenal,he created a total of 76 chances !
Don't let those numbers deceive you. Putting a cross into the 18yard box counts as creating chance. Infact, passing a ball to a guy who beats 5 players before striking wide at goal or over the bar counts as chance created. Mind you, Iwobi played very close to Arsenal strikers so this is not really an achievement if taken every parameter into context.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:39pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

Pep is no genius in this regard. The man has spent £400M in buying just defenders alone in his time so far in Man city.
Any half Wit on that sort of money can replicate his body of work building Man city defence.

What exactly is he doing with Ake, a left footed center back when he already has Laporte? Can he play 2 left footed players in center back?

Ok

So its a crime for one LCB to be a backup at least

And you forgot so soon that laporte was injured so much last season that there was no good replacement for him right ?

Ok

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:44pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

Don't let those numbers deceive you. Putting a cross into the 18yard box counts as creating chance. Infact, passing a ball to a guy who beats 5 players before striking wide at goal or over the bar counts as chance created. Mind you, Iwobi played very close to Arsenal strikers so this is not really an achievement if taken every parameter into context.
If creating chances was that easy, football statisticians won't make a big deal out of it,would they?

Iwobi has also created 23 big chances in the premier league! Would u call that "no big deal" too??

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 10:48pm On Aug 06, 2020
andrewbaba44:

new xd
Ok
So its a crime for one LCB to be a backup at least

And you forgot so soon that laporte was injured so much last season that there was no good replacement for him right ?

Ok
Buying a 40m defender as spare tire. Life is good men.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:51pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

Buying a 40m defender as spare tire. Life is good men.

lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 10:57pm On Aug 06, 2020
Danielnino00:

If creating chances was that easy, football statisticians won't make a big deal out of it,would they?

Iwobi has also created 23 big chances in the premier league! Would u call that "no big deal" too??
I have told you how the computer calculates chance created. The so called big chances simply means the player gave the pass that lead to a shot.

Deconstruct this with the position he played for Arsenal as an advance midfield player, then you will realise there's no much to talk about.

Mind you, this guy was feeding the deadliest striker in Europe at the time. Auba's shot to goal ratio last 2 seasons was phenomenal. At a point he was on one shot one goal during Arsenal's 22 goal run.
If you're feeding such a striker and you're not hitting more than 4 assists then something is wrong somewhere.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:05pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

I have told you how the computer calculates chance created. The so called big chances simply means the player gave the pass that lead to a shot.

Deconstruct this with the position he played for Arsenal as an advance midfield player, then you will realise there's no much to talk about.

Mind you, this guy was feeding the deadliest striker in Europe at the time. Auba's shot to goal ratio last 2 seasons was phenomenal. At a point he was on one shot one goal during Arsenal's 22 goal run.
If you're feeding such a striker and you're not hitting more than 4 assists then something is wrong somewhere.

Last season, only Ozil created more chance than Iwobi for arsenal! . What happened to the others?

You said he is feeding one of the deadliest striker in the world, but u forgot to mention that same striker has missed many clear chances too..

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 11:13pm On Aug 06, 2020
Danielnino00:


Last season, only Ozil created more chance than Iwobi for arsenal! . What happened to the others?

You said he is feeding one of the deadliest striker in the world, but u forgot to mention that same striker has missed many clear chances too..
Who else was Arsenal's most advance midfielder outside Ozil and Iwobi? Ozil and Mikhitarian missed many games, mind you. It's academic Iwobi would have been the next player in chance created due to his starting position on the field.
T

You think Pele never missed chances? I'm telling you Aubameyang shot per goal statistics was something like one shot, one goal. Aubameyang ended up that season as the league's top scorer. Even Lacazette scored his own fair share of goals.
The koko be say Iwobi's chance created were not good enough to translate to assists. See how Saka was dropping his assists this season. Even Willock.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JayromWrites: 11:15pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

Don't let those numbers deceive you. Putting a cross into the 18yard box counts as creating chance. Infact, passing a ball to a guy who beats 5 players before striking wide at goal or over the bar counts as chance created. Mind you, Iwobi played very close to Arsenal strikers so this is not really an achievement if taken every parameter into context.

Alex Iwobi created more chances from open play (40) than any other Arsenal player during the 2018-19 Premier League season; no Arsenal player completed more take-ons (46) either.

Squakwa Football 2018/2019

Playing close to the strikers?

Where were the other midfieders or wingers playing?

Closer to the bench?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 11:18pm On Aug 06, 2020
JayromWrites:


Alex Iwobi created more chances from open play (40) than any other Arsenal player during the 2018-19 Premier League season; no Arsenal player completed more take-ons (46) either.

Squakwa Football 2018/2019

Playing close to the strikers?

Where were the other midfieders or wingers playing?

Closer to the bench?
What other midfielders? Xhaka would have passed the ball more to the strikers? Or Torriera or Guendozi who all played at the base?
Make una dey reason na.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JayromWrites: 11:18pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

Who else was Arsenal's most advance midfielder outside Ozil and Iwobi? Ozil and Mikhitarian missed many games, mind you. It's academic Iwobi would have been the next player in chance created due to his starting position on the field.
T

You think Pele never missed chances? I'm telling you Aubameyang shot per goal statistics was something like one shot, one goal. Aubameyang ended up that season as the league's top scorer. Even Lacazette scored his own fair share of goals.
The koko be say Iwobi's chance created were not good enough to translate to assists. See how Saka was dropping his assists this season. Even Willock.

Willock kwa, what of padlock?

Someone with 1 assist

Wetin Kepa no go see for bench

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:18pm On Aug 06, 2020
Barryseal:

Who else was Arsenal's most advance midfielder outside Ozil and Iwobi? Ozil and Mikhitarian missed many games, mind you. It's academic Iwobi would have been the next player in chance created due to his starting position on the field.
T

You think Pele never missed chances? I'm telling you Aubameyang shot per goal statistics was something like one shot, one goal. Aubameyang ended up that season as the league's top scorer. Even Lacazette scored his own fair share of goals.
The koko be say Iwobi's chance created were not good enough to translate to assists. See how Saka was dropping his assists this season. Even Willock.

The Koko be say Iwobi created enough chance as he was required to... It wasn't his fault that Aubameyang and Lacazette wasted most of it..

U know what, post the data for chance created by arsenal players this season...let's see something...

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