sonmvayina:


My creator is 1,not part of a group.. And definitely not part of his creation.. I obey his commandments when he said "do not have any other God before me"
Obedience is better than sacrifice..

Beside him there is no other.. Isaiah 45:1-10

Now you use Isaiah but you said you do believe in Isaiah calling them 'stories' "histories of the Jewish people".

That for you, the Bible ends in Deuteronomy!

So now henceforth I would use the scriptures both in Isaiah and other Prophets against you where applicable But I already know that you shall once again say that you do not believe in it,

so as Jacob says 'you are unstable as water", you are inconsistent and speak from all sides of your mouth so as to escape correction.

But it is your right to behave unstably.

So, As I said, The Highest, created me and I am Lower than some other creations.

Thus if the Highest, Appoints any other Creation Greater I , Even An Angel, to Rule over me, I will Obey and Comply.

You do as you will and desire, it is your own soul.

bingbagbo:



Can you see what the JWs are trying to hide in their devilish new world translation?

Express your point without all these biased sentiment please.
You laid down a scripture from two different Bible translations.
Now explain what you're getting at, you can't, because your senses have been blurred so you can't OPEN your mind to accept an explanation
You then vehemently rushed to claim that the NWT is faulty.
Can I show you something though?
Could you open your Bible to 1John 4:4 let's see what we'll find there

NKJV
1John 4:4

“You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.”

How is somebody meant to understand the italicized words? Is the Almighty God an abstract phenomena that lives in someone? Or is He a Person who resides in heaven? (Deuteronomy 26:15, 1King 8:43, Psalm 11:4)
The KJV Bible has a record for misguiding readers so they don't get the full sense of what they're reading.

Now look at a more comprehensive translation of that verse.

NWT 2013
1John 4:4

“You originate with God, little children, and you have conquered them, because the one[Jehovah God] who is in union with you is greater than the one who is in union with the world”

You can see here that God is clearly described as being in ‘union’ with his loyal people on earth. Which is exactly what Jesus prayed for concerning his disciples on earth(John 17:21-23)

So instead of rushing to make misguided claims, I think you should locate the translators of the KJV and NKJV Bibles and blame them for the gaps in your knowledge.

Maximus69:


Well that's your own opinion Sir!

Jesus fervently prayed for his followers to be of one mind {John 17:20-23} and also said that his followers will be the salt of the world and like a lamp that's kept in the highest part of the house so that all eyes can see it! Matthew 7:13-16 compare to Micah 4:1

So if i can't find such a group of imperfect humans who are united in LOVE, JOY and PEACE that means Jesus' story was a lie!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are serving as a certain fulfillment of what Jesus' prayed for, so i believe Jesus lives through what i'm seeing happening in their midst!

Yes sir, it is my own opinion! But as I said, this is the place for the presentations of reasonable personal opinions which shall be subjected to queries if it seen to be faulty and Untrue!

sonmvayina:


[b]The Jesus character is a creation of rome. He has got nothing to do with God...

The man actually existed. What white people did was change his image, personality and message to look white in the 1500s. Prior to this time, all images and representation of MESSIAH showed a black image. Those miracels actually happened.

Study the life of Simon Toko and you will believe MESSIAH existed. There are still many living witnesses to the powerful life and ministry of this man. He fulfilled the scripture which says "...greater works that these shall ye do..." He was cut in pieces and joined back together several times. His heart was taken out by doctors who wanted to find out what type of life he was made of.... he came back alive on the operation table and requested for his heart to be put back. These are not folk tales, his news was all over Europe. Over a thousand people saw short muscular heavenly beings appear in broad daylight and chased away the Belgian forces whose amunition were powerless against these beings.

sonmvayina:
God is consciousness, outside of space and time.. Not part of creation.[/b]

You "consciousness" people should go and sleep. The ancient of days was described as a back man having wooly hair.

Daniel 7:9
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.


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@OP
Observe the photos below and know today that the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is trustworthy.

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes sir, it is my own opinion! But as I said, this is the place for the presentations of reasonable personal opinions which shall be subjected to queries if it seen to be faulty and Untrue!

That's the point!

No religion ever practiced on planet earth have successfully united people from all nations under one umbrella, God said this will be possible in the endtime {Micah 4:1-3} so for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES to achieve this it's clear indication that their worship is offered in spirit and truth!

Maximus69:

So if i can't find such a group of imperfect humans who are united in LOVE, JOY and PEACE that means Jesus' story was a lie!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are serving as a certain fulfillment of what Jesus' prayed for, so i believe Jesus lives through what i'm seeing happening in their midst!

I understand that you are A Group Man, it your choice, But The Truth of the Lord is Established Forever and it Does Not require any Group of Persons to Give it Life.

It is Even rather the Giver of Life.Proverbs 4:20-27

20 My son, give attention to my words;
Incline your ear to my sayings.

21 Do not let them depart from your eyes;
Keep them in the midst of your heart;

22 For they are life to those who find them,
And health to all their flesh.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you use Isaiah but you said you do believe in Isaiah calling them 'stories' "histories of the Jewish people".

That for you, the Bible ends in Deuteronomy!

So now henceforth I would use the scriptures both in Isaiah and other Prophets against you where applicable But I already know that you shall once again say that you do not believe in it,

so as Jacob says 'you are unstable as water", you are inconsistent and speak from all sides of your mouth so as to escape correction.

But it is your right to behave unstably.

So, As I said, The Highest, created me and I am Lower than some other creations.

Thus if the Highest, Appoints any other Creation Greater I , Even An Angel, to Rule over me, I will Obey and Comply.

You do as you will and desire, it is your own soul.

So when did he say he was going to do that?.. So the Muslims can also be right, your God might also have appointed Muhammad as his prophet..

Why are you not listening to him.. Or following his teaching.

The only way to distinguish truth from falsehood is to go to the beginning to find out if what came later comply with what was given before.. And I did that and found that Jesus broke all the sacrificial laws given in leviticus and the laws given by God.. So it was easy to know he is just fake.. Same with Muhammad too..
A spirit cannot impregnate a human being. To believe that means you have to suspend the use of your brain..

Except you are a moroon.

sonmvayina:


So when did he say he was going to do that?.. So the Muslims can also be right, your God might also have appointed Muhammad as his prophet..

Why are you not listening to him.. Or following his teaching.

The only way to distinguish truth from falsehood is to go to the beginning to find out if what came later comply with what was given before.. And I did that and found that Jesus broke all the sacrificial laws given in leviticus and the laws given by God.. So it was easy to know he is just fake.. Same with Muhammad too..
A spirit cannot impregnate a human being. To believe that means you have to suspend the use of your brain..

Except you are a moroon.

You are lying .... @Bolded, prove it.
First, MESSIAH was not Levite to offer sacrifices.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you use Isaiah but you said you do believe in Isaiah calling them 'stories' "histories of the Jewish people".

That for you, the Bible ends in Deuteronomy!

So now henceforth I would use the scriptures both in Isaiah and other Prophets against you where applicable But I already know that you shall once again say that you do not believe in it,

so as Jacob says 'you are unstable as water", you are inconsistent and speak from all sides of your mouth so as to escape correction.

But it is your right to behave unstably.

So, As I said, The Highest, created me and I am Lower than some other creations.

Thus if the Highest, Appoints any other Creation Greater I , Even An Angel, to Rule over me, I will Obey and Comply.

You do as you will and desire, it is your own soul.

What I said is the Torah is the heart and soul of the Bible because it contains the laws of God the creator. Every other is just a footnote.. What ever you believe must be in line with God's laws, if not it is not of God.. Deuteronomy 6:4 says "the lord your God is one lord".. Which Isaiah also echoed in his prophesies...
What is it you don't understand?

donnie:


You are lying .... @Bolded, prove it.
First, MESSIAH was not Levite to offer sacrifices.

Educate yourself..

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4440323/jewish/Korbanot-The-Biblical-Temple-Sacrifices.htm

donnie:


You are lying .... @Bolded, prove it.
First, MESSIAH was not Levite to offer sacrifices.

I thought you guys said he was the sacrifice...

donnie:


The man actually existed. What white people did was change his image, personality and message to look white in the 1500s. Prior to this time, all images and representation of MESSIAH showed a black image. Those miracels actually happened.

Study the life of Simon Toko and you will believe MESSIAH existed. There are still many living witnesses to the powerful life and ministry of this man. He fulfilled the scripture which says "...greater works that these shall ye do..." He was cut in pieces and joined back together several times. His heart was taken out by doctors who wanted to find out what type of life he was made of.... he came back alive on the operation table and requested for his heart to be put back. These are not folk tales, his news was all over Europe. Over a thousand people saw short muscular heavenly beings appear in broad daylight and chased away the Belgian forces whose amunition were powerless against these beings.


You "consciousness" people should go and sleep. The ancient of days was described as a back man having wooly hair.

Daniel 7:9
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.


[img]https://1.bp..com/-EcCFslH3xZQ/VO9lD_mCZ4I/AAAAAAAAAhw/bX3lTvDzLx4/s1600/9.jpg[/img]

Daniel 7 was a dream... A dream.

sonmvayina:


So when did he say he was going to do that?.. So the Muslims can also be right, your God might also have appointed Muhammad as his prophet..

Why are you not listening to him.. Or following his teaching.

The only way to distinguish truth from falsehood is to go to the beginning to find out if what came later comply with what was given before.. And I did that and found that Jesus broke all the sacrificial laws given in leviticus and the laws given by God.. So it was easy to know he is just fake.. Same with Muhammad too..
A spirit cannot impregnate a human being. To believe that means you have to suspend the use of your brain..

Except you are a moroon.

You say only one way for discovering the Truth which is why you are blind for you see little

I see many ways and the Power of The Truth is that in All Those Ways, if it is the Truth, it remains the same and unchanged, like the sun and moon looks the same whether in Abuja or Saudi Arabia.

So it is with the Word of God.

sonmvayina:


Daniel 7 was a dream... A dream.

It was a VISION and there's a huge difference.

sonmvayina:

Educate yourself..

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4440323/jewish/Korbanot-The-Biblical-Temple-Sacrifices.htm

Mtcheew, I'm already well educated. If you have something to say, spew it here.

Dtruthspeaker:


You say only one way for discovering the Truth which is why you are blind for you see little

I see many ways and the Power of The Truth is that in All Those Ways, if it is the Truth, it remains the same and unchanged, like the sun and moon looks the same whether in Abuja or Saudi Arabia.

So it is with the Word of God.

I agree with you.. We are using the Bible as standard.. Let's focus on it.. There are other methods of discovering the truth.. I don't doubt it..
But consider this verse from Amos : 7 "For the Lord God does nothing unless He has revealed His secret to His servants, the prophets"

Like, I said I have gone through the old testament and the prophet, I am yet to come accros the one that wrote about God having a son or sending a son as sacrifice for sins. There is just none. So where did the Jesus story come from?.

You understand my anger when my research exposed the fact that he was created at the council of nicea by the Constantine delegates..
It means I have made a fool of my self believing falsehood..

You show me a place in the old testament where God said he had a son and was sending him for us to kill him as sacrifice, I will should it out loud here that Jesus is real.. Show me..

donnie:


Mtcheew, I'm already well educated. If you have something to say, spew it here.

Read that you will learn something new.. Trust me.

donnie:


Mtcheew, I'm already well educated. If you have something to say, spew it here.

Was human sacrifice allowed or permitted?

sonmvayina:


What I said is the Torah is the heart and soul of the Bible because it contains the laws of God the creator. Every other is just a footnote.. What ever you believe must be in line with God's laws, if not it is not of God.. Deuteronomy 6:4 says "the lord your God is one lord".. Which Isaiah also echoed in his prophesies...
What is it you don't understand?

Now you are changing your word, again, for your disciutenanced every other book after Deuteronomy.

Come to think of it, are you Nigerian Jew, like Nnamdi Kanu Jew, because I do not think that you are Jewy Jew?

sonmvayina:


Read that you will learn something new.. Trust me.

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Dtruthspeaker:


Now you are changing your word, again, for your disciutenanced every other book after Deuteronomy.

Come to think of it, are you Nigerian Jew, like Nnamdi Kanu Jew, because I do not think that you are Jewy Jew?

Igbo traditional religion is identical to Judaism..

We recognize the existence of orishas, but we reverence the creator of all.. We call CHUKWU.

Dtruthspeaker:


I understand that you are A Group Man, it your choice, But The Truth of the Lord is Established Forever and it Does Not require any Group of Persons to Give it Life.

It is Even rather the Giver of Life.Proverbs 4:20-27

20 My son, give attention to my words;
Incline your ear to my sayings.

21 Do not let them depart from your eyes;
Keep them in the midst of your heart;

22 For they are life to those who find them,
And health to all their flesh.

The Jewish religious system was complex back in the first century but God's Holy Spirit landed only on one certain GROUP the name of that GROUP was "Christians"! Act 11:16

So i'm OK with the idea of GROUP!

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you are changing your word, again, for your disciutenanced every other book after Deuteronomy.

Come to think of it, are you Nigerian Jew, like Nnamdi Kanu Jew, because I do not think that you are Jewy Jew?

Jewish history is different from igbo history, but the laws of God is the same on planet earth..

sonmvayina:


Was human sacrifice allowed or permitted?

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was YAHUAH's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though YAHUAH makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of YAHUAH will prosper in his hand.

You probably have your own ipob bible. And it's not the TORAH

donnie:


Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was YAHUAH's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though YAHUAH makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of YAHUAH will prosper in his hand.

You probably have your own ipob bible. And it's not the TORAH

LOL.. Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant that dies multiple times and has offspring... He is suffering because of what was done to him..

But quess what? God already told you who is servant is in Isaiah 41:8-9 and 45:4-5.

8:But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me,

9:Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"; I chose you and I did not despise you

@

4:For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.

5:I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me.

There is no controversy.. Israel is the suffering servant. You know how they say you use scripture to interpret scripture.. This is what they mean.

Where is bangbagbo?

It's like only Jehovah's Witnesses agreed among themselves, the rest are like

Isu ata yán an yàn an ~Yam pepper SCATTER SCATTER! Luke 11:23

2 Timothy 3:5-8,13

[5]having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

[6]For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,

[7]always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

[8]Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;

[13]But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.

The Apostle Paul warned people about the jws

sonmvayina:


LOL.. Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant that dies multiple times and has offspring... He is suffering because of what was done to him..

But quess what? God already told you who is servant is in Isaiah 41:8-9 and 45:4-5.

8:But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me,

9:Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"; I chose you and I did not despise you

@

4:For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.

5:I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me.

There is no controversy.. Israel is the suffering servant. You know how they say you use scripture to interpret scripture.. This is what they mean.

So Israel's life was sacrificed for who? The same God you said does not accept human sacrifice sacrificed a whole nation. Continue deceiving yourself because you want to worship ancestors.

sonmvayina:


Igbo traditional religion is identical to Judaism..

We recognize the existence of orishas, but we reverence the creator of all.. We call CHUKWU.

Yea right... You recognize orishas using graven images hmm?
I can break down the word "orisha" for you in Hebrew. It has nothing to do with your idolatries.

Maximus69:
Where is bangbagbo?

It's like only Jehovah's Witnesses agreed among themselves, the rest are like

Isu ata yán an yàn an ~Yam pepper SCATTER SCATTER! Luke 11:23

◄ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 ►

While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

YES! The world will never know true PEACE, but in the midst of Christ's followers there is true PEACE! John 14:27, 1Corinthians 14:33

bingbagbo:


◄ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 ►

While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.