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Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by Mikeangelo0433: 5:36am On Aug 12, 2020
ry Cahil was playing.



Unless you dont know football Oliseh is better than Mikel in Defensive Midfielder.

Just that nigeria dont keep statistics Oliseh created most of yekinis assist during afcon that the won.

[/quote] 1994 nations cup will not record the assists of Oliseh to Yekini because the assist stats became a part of Football in 1994 world cup before then there was nothing like assist.
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by PreyingMantis(m): 6:57am On Aug 12, 2020
elpochas:
The caption was all about a who was better holding midfielder and not who contributed or who won the most trophies.Thank God a former footballer that played,knows and understands the game better than we both has given his verdict.
Your overall performance on the pitch is what determines how good you are. Sunday Oliseh was spectacular and so was Mikel. For the most part of his international career, Mikel played with Mediocres... Compare that with the array of superstars Oliseh played with and give honor to whom honor is due.

Daniel Amokachi also said Mikel was better than Oliseh. Isn't he a former international?
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by PreyingMantis(m): 7:01am On Aug 12, 2020
milehigh06:
oh did not even know that...so why are they foaming
Mikel scored 6 while Oliseh got only 2
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by tizzer(m): 7:18am On Aug 12, 2020
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Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by ninodaniel(m): 9:01am On Aug 12, 2020
robosky02:
Individual Awards:

Sunday Oliseh:


Club:

Ajax
Eredivisie: 1997–98
KNVB Cup: 1997–98, 1998–99
Juventus
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
Borussia Dortmund
Bundesliga: 2001–02
UEFA Cup: 2001–02 (Runner-up)

International
Nigeria
African Cup of Nations: 1994
Olympic Gold Medal: 1996
Afro Asian Cup 1995

ikel has more trophies naa


Honours
Chelsea:

Premier League: 2009–10, 2014–15[100]
FA Cup: 2006–07, 2008–09, 2011–12
Football League Cup: 2006–07
FA Community Shield: 2009
UEFA Champions League: 2011–12
UEFA Europa League: 2012–13
Trabzonspor

Turkish Cup: 2019–20
Nigeria

Africa Cup of Nations: 2013

Nigeria Olympic:
Summer Olympics bronze medalist: 2016

Individual awards:

FIFA World Youth Championship Silver Ball: 2005

CAF Most Promising Talent of the Year: 2005

Chelsea Young Player of the Year: 2007,2008




And who told u club honors makes one a better player? We r talking about individual performance and u r talking about trophies.. Winning a trophy is all about being at the right club at the right time... U can as well tell me that Lucas Vasquez of Madrid is a better player than Mo salah because he has won more trophies at club level than salah?

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Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by elpochas: 9:46am On Aug 12, 2020
[quote author=PreyingMantis post=92723135][/quote]i get your point man,both were great players from diff eras,one had better players around him while the other had bunch of below average players around him.But get my own point to,to captain such a good side was no mean feat,you should know that to.Oliseh was a natural holding midfielder while Mikel was converted by Morinho.Mikel might had been a better all round midfielder,but a Oliseh was a better specialist holding midfielder.
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by PreyingMantis(m): 11:07am On Aug 12, 2020
Jodera:
When someone tells me Mikel is better than Essien in Chelsea, I just gave up.
But Mikel benched Essien and sent him on loan to Real Madrid. How come?

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Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by gibzzhd: 3:53pm On Aug 12, 2020
TheGoodJoe:
Mikel any day when you compare ths calibre of matches and playees he played with and against. Coupled with the fact he played in numerous successful finals.

Played against the likes of Scholes, Xabi Alonso, Xavi etc.

Also being a star performer in our AFCON success.
Na Dem. indomine generation
Olise played with the best in the world in Italy while Mikel played with the best in England.
Seria A was legendary and the best in olise days
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by gibzzhd: 3:58pm On Aug 12, 2020
TheGoodJoe:


Can a back up player start a champions league final?
Did betran not start that final
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by 12large1: 4:10pm On Aug 12, 2020
The problem with nigerians is how they negate mikel obi achievements when no one else has replicated similar result. First of all, do you think it is easy to stay at a big club for 10 years plus? Especially a wealthy one that spends money egregiously? You can't be a mere squad player and keep getting contract renewed numerous times. Mbanu! Next, mikel not only out scored and out assisted oliseh at country level, he also won more individual titles so when someone is saying they aren't comparable, he is just being mischievous. Personally I think Mikel obi was better and achieved better results and like my boss at a fortune 500 company used to say, An argument without Data is invalid

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Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:10pm On Aug 12, 2020
gibzzhd:

Did betran not start that final

Means Betran was key that season. Mikel went on to star in multiple finals for Chelsea. Which shows he was a key player.
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:13pm On Aug 12, 2020
gibzzhd:

Na Dem. indomine generation
Olise played with the best in the world in Italy while Mikel played with the best in England.
Seria A was legendary and the best in olise days

I bet you, I started watching football before you. I watched Maradona in 1986, even though I was very young then.

Oliseh did not have a long career in the Serie A to the best of my knowledge. So that point does not count.
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by gibzzhd: 4:21pm On Aug 12, 2020
12large1:
The problem with nigerians is how they negate mikel obi achievements when no one else has replicated similar result. First of all, do you think it is easy to stay at a big club for 10 years plus? Especially a wealthy one that spends money egregiously? You can't be a mere squad player and keep getting contract renewed numerous times. Mbanu! Next, mikel not only out scored and out assisted oliseh at country level, he also won more individual titles so when someone is saying they aren't comparable, he is just being mischievous. Personally I think Mikel obi was better and achieved better results and like my boss at a fortune 500 company used to say, An argument without Data is invalid
Did you just say replicate mikels achievement? Kanu is Nigerian greatest player in terms of achievement not the overhyped Mikel.
I think this is a Chelsea syndrome.Always overhyping their average players and club just as they do to drogba A striker that can get just 5 EPL goals a some seasons
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by bassman007(m): 4:39pm On Aug 12, 2020
Goke7:


interesting, pls give me the individual statistics of the 10 greatest Nigerian footballers ever, am waiting o

na so una go push una selves into one corner you can't defend, biko am waiting for the individual statistics of Nigeria's best 10, oya let's go there
Like I said, it's my choice. If you don't like it then stick with what you believe. I'm not forcing you to agree with me. Personally I rate Rashidi Yekeni, Segun Odegbami, Sunday Olise, Taribo West, Steven Keshi, Okocha, Finidi George, Kanu Nwankwo, Uche Okechukwu, and Vincent Enyema all higher than Mikel Obi. Whether you agree with me or not is non of my business.
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by Goke7: 8:34pm On Aug 12, 2020
bassman007:
Like I said, it's my choice. If you don't like it then stick with what you believe. I'm not forcing you to agree with me. Personally I rate Rashidi Yekeni, Segun Odegbami, Sunday Olise, Taribo West, Steven Keshi, Okocha, Finidi George, Kanu Nwankwo, Uche Okechukwu, and Vincent Enyema all higher than Mikel Obi. Whether you agree with me or not is non of my business.

give their statistics nah? wasn't dragging anything with you in the first place, it was you that said great players are based on individual statistics abi no be so again?
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by Goke7: 8:36pm On Aug 12, 2020
gibzzhd:

Did you just say replicate mikels achievement? Kanu is Nigerian greatest player in terms of achievement not the overhyped Mikel.
I think this is a Chelsea syndrome.Always overhyping their average players and club just as they do to drogba A striker that can get just 5 EPL goals a some seasons

kanu that never scored a single goal in any afcon lol, should we say he's overhyped too? I think some of us are too sentimental, if you have an attachment to a player, doesn't mean others too haven't done that well either
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by 12large1: 8:50pm On Aug 12, 2020
Like I said, it's my choice. If you don't like it then stick with what you believe. I'm not forcing you to agree with me. Personally I rate Rashidi Yekeni, Segun Odegbami, Sunday Olise, Taribo West, Steven Keshi, Okocha, Finidi George, Kanu Nwankwo, Uche Okechukwu, and Vincent Enyema all higher than Mikel Obi.


None of these players played over 100 games in a row for a Big club. They either played for a big club for 2/3 seasons and regressed. This is what differentiates mikel from them. To win trophies and play for a Big club for over 10 seasons in a row is very difficult
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by gibzzhd: 6:37am On Aug 13, 2020
Goke7:


kanu that never scored a single goal in any afcon lol, should we say he's overhyped too? I think some of us are too sentimental, if you have an attachment to a player, doesn't mean others too haven't done that well either
He win 2x African best any other titles including winning the Nigerian league and cup which Mikel couldn't do.How there you mistake Mikel been more decorated.
Kanu is not rated as one of the best strikers because he isn't prolific.Why should Chelsea fans rate drogba in that category.A striker that has only 104 EPL goals in 9 yrs.Averaging 13 goals a season .The difference between him and Ayebeni is that he was playing at Chelsea that was good enough to win titles.
Firmino just won EPL with just 9 goals.HORRIBLE.
Re: Aiyegbeni: Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder by Goke7: 8:24pm On Aug 13, 2020
gibzzhd:

He win 2x African best any other titles including winning the Nigerian league and cup which Mikel couldn't do.How there you mistake Mikel been more decorated.
Kanu is not rated as one of the best strikers because he isn't prolific.Why should Chelsea fans rate drogba in that category.A striker that has only 104 EPL goals in 9 yrs.Averaging 13 goals a season .The difference between him and Ayebeni is that he was playing at Chelsea that was good enough to win titles.
Firmino just won EPL with just 9 goals.HORRIBLE.

Nigerian league don enter this matter? grin

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