Maximus69:


The Jewish religious system was complex back in the first century but God's Holy Spirit landed only on one certain GROUP the name of that GROUP was "Christians"! Act 11:16

So i'm OK with the idea of GROUP!

: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You can hang on to your group, I prefer being Alone as Noah, Abraham, Isreal formerly Jacob, David and Others.

sonmvayina:


Jewish history is different from igbo history, but the laws of God is the same on planet earth..

And you know the Laws of God better than Isreal Whom the Lord, Himself, through Moses, gave Isreal The Laws?

The same One, Who did many wonderful things to Isreal, which even lasted enough for us to see today and we are witnesses to?

The same One Who spoke to Isreal?

Well I do not know the all of Igbo history which you may know but I do Certainly know that God did not use the Igbo people to show the World His Power and Might and Fear Neither Did He Speak to Them Nor Did He give Them His Commandments.

So you can not know more than the Bible and all your testimony which is inconsistent with the Bible is Untrue and can not be believed and therefore Never Acceptable!

Neither are you in any position to say that what is written in the Bible is not True for you do not know what you say.

Dtruthspeaker:


And you know the Laws of God better than Isreal Whom the Lord, Himself, through Moses, gave Isreal The Laws?

The same One, Who did many wonderful things to Isreal, which even lasted enough for us to see today and we are witnesses to?

The same One Who spoke to Isreal?

Well I do not know the all of Igbo history which you may know but I do Certainly know that God did not use the Igbo people to show the World His Power and Might and Fear Neither Did He Speak to Them Nor Did He give Them His Commandments.

So you can not know more than the Bible and all your testimony which is inconsistent with the Bible is Untrue and can not be believed and therefore Never Acceptable!

Neither are you in any position to say that what is written in the Bible is not True for you do not know what you say.

LOL.. What have you said?..God is not a man or human being.. Speak?? That is a human attribute.. There is only one God.. The same God the jews call yaweh is what we igbos call CHUKWU...

donnie:


Yea right... You recognize orishas using graven images hmm?
I can break down the word "orisha" for you in Hebrew. It has nothing to do with your idolatries.

Learn.. Unlearn and relearn..

Dtruthspeaker:


: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You can hang on to your group, I prefer being Alone as Noah, Abraham, Isreal formerly Jacob, David and Others.

None of this aforementioned hanged out alone!

Noah's GROUP were eight in number! 1Peter 3:20

Abraham's GROUP were many when they left Ur for Canaan! Genesis 11:31

Israel (Jacob) moved with his GROUP! Genesis 46:6

David moved with his GROUP! 2Samuel 15:14

None of them moved alone, and all those with them were having one mind as they move together!

donnie:
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So Israel's life was sacrificed for who? The same God you said does not accept human sacrifice sacrificed a whole nation. Continue deceiving yourself because you want to worship ancestors.

Where you go when God dey share sense?.. Start from 51 and read all through to 54..it will become clear..the people talking in 53 are the kings of the earth when they discover that the jews where right all along.. That is what Dtruthspeaker will be saying when he discovers that Jesus is just a Roman idol..

Maximus69:


None of this aforementioned hanged out alone!

Noah's GROUP were eight in number! 1Peter 3:20

Abraham's GROUP were many when they left Ur for Canaan! Genesis 11:31

Israel (Jacob) moved with his GROUP! Genesis 46:6

David moved with his GROUP! 2Samuel 15:14

None of them moved alone, and all those with them were having one mind as they move together!

Of course, when I say alone you know or ought to know that I did not mean Single, At all times but alone as in the Walking with God when compared to the greater multitude.

David was even alone before he acquired followers and he walked with God, Isreal was alone and was walking with God from when he left Issac to go to Laban.

As I said before, hang on to your crowd, I refuse to keep company with the many.

sonmvayina:


Where you go when God dey share sense?.. Start from 51 and read all through to 54..it will become clear..the people talking in 53 are the kings of the earth when they discover that the jews where right all along.. That is what Dtruthspeaker will be saying when he discovers that Jesus is just a Roman idol..

Whats has that got to do with sacrificing "his servant Israel"?

donnie:


Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was YAHUAH's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though YAHUAH makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of YAHUAH will prosper in his hand.

You probably have your own ipob bible. And it's not the TORAH

sonmvayina:


LOL.. Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant that dies multiple times and has offspring... He is suffering because of what was done to him..

You are not well at all... Struggling to make scriptures agree with your fetishes.

sonmvayina:


I agree with you.. We are using the Bible as standard.. Let's focus on it.. There are other methods of discovering the truth.. I don't doubt it..
But consider this verse from Amos : 7 "For the Lord God does nothing unless He has revealed His secret to His servants, the prophets"

Like, I said I have gone through the old testament and the prophet, I am yet to come accros the one that wrote about God having a son or sending a son as sacrifice for sins. There is just none. So where did the Jesus story come from?.

You understand my anger when my research exposed the fact that he was created at the council of nicea by the Constantine delegates..
It means I have made a fool of my self believing falsehood..

You show me a place in the old testament where God said he had a son and was sending him for us to kill him as sacrifice, I will should it out loud here that Jesus is real.. Show me..

I can understand your anger only when I have a basis to measure it.

I have seen you deny the Truth of the Bible whether what is called old testament or new testament.

Then I have seen you take hold of both old and new testament at your pleasure.

Then, with me, you directly declared that the Bible you believe in is from Genesis to Deuteronomy that the other books are inconsequential.

Look at this journey, does this person sound reasonable and stable?

There is no Identifiable standard with which to measure you which is why, though I hate the things you say, your instability makes it even worse.

So are you going to ever stand or fall by a Principle ? Because the only Identifiable principle I have seen is that you Hate the One who we call Jesus Christ and it is now you have disclosed the source of your hatred, which itself is an untrue testimony.

donnie:


Whats has that got to do with sacrificing "his servant Israel"?





You are not well at all... Struggling to make scriptures agree with your fetishes.

Donnie, please just rest, he has told us how he accepts what Isreal's enemies says over what Isreal said!

The very same people who Kept Hidden the Words of the Lord, when they plundered Isreal in Line with What God had already said shall happen.

donnie:


Whats has that got to do with sacrificing "his servant Israel"?





You are not well at all... Struggling to make scriptures agree with your fetishes.

Isaiah 52:15

15:So shall he cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed.

Isaiah 53:1
1Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed?...........

The kings of the earth are the people talking.. Not Isaiah..

Dtruthspeaker:


I can understand your anger only when I have a basis to measure it.

I have seen you deny the Truth of the Bible whether what is called old testament or new testament.

Then I have seen you take hold of both old and new testament at your pleasure.

Then, with me, you directly declared that the Bible you believe in is from Genesis to Deuteronomy that the other books are inconsequential.

Look at this journey, does this person sound reasonable and stable?

There is no Identifiable standard with which to measure you which is why, though I hate the things you say, your instability makes it even worse.

So are you going to ever stand or fall by a Principle ? Because the only Identifiable principle I have seen is that you Hate the One who we call Jesus Christ and it is now you have disclosed the source of your hatred, which itself is an untrue testimony.

Hate?.. You are very funny, a comic book character like Thanos..

Somebody I know never even existed.. I am opening your eyes to the deception that is in your front, but you are just too deep to accept it.because you have invested your whole life and resources on it..

Continue, when the time comes, you will know..

sonmvayina:


Isaiah 52:15

15:So shall he cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed.

Isaiah 53:1
1Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed?...........

The kings of the earth are the people talking.. Not Isaiah..

In all your Igboness are you also Catholic?

sonmvayina:


Hate?.. You are very funny, a comic book character like Thanos..

Somebody I know never even existed.. I am opening your eyes to the deception that is in your front, but you are just too deep to accept it.because you have invested your whole life and resources on it..

Continue, when the time comes, you will know..

Are you also Catholic or formerly Catholic?

donnie:


Whats has that got to do with sacrificing "his servant Israel"?





You are not well at all... Struggling to make scriptures agree with your fetishes.

See the beginning of Isaiah. What do you make of it... Isaiah 1:1

1The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah."

Dtruthspeaker:


Are you also Catholic or formerly Catholic?

My parents are.. They used to force us to go when I was younger, I went as far as been a mass servant.. Just to please them, but now I know better..

sonmvayina:


Isaiah 52:15

15:So shall he cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed.

The kings that were talking were also shutting their mouths at the same time okwea?

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 53:1
1Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed?...........

The kings of the earth are the people talking.. Not Isaiah..

Isaiah 53:4
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

So Israel was afflicted and sorrowful because they carried the griefs and sorrows of the gentile kings abi? Continu.

I'm only answering you so that the foolishness of your beliefs can be evident to all.

If you even probe these Ipob people fine, you will see that they refer to Nnamdi Kanu as MESSIAH.

Dtruthspeaker:


I can understand your anger only when I have a basis to measure it.

I have seen you deny the Truth of the Bible whether what is called old testament or new testament.

Then I have seen you take hold of both old and new testament at your pleasure.

Then, with me, you directly declared that the Bible you believe in is from Genesis to Deuteronomy that the other books are inconsequential.

Look at this journey, does this person sound reasonable and stable?

There is no Identifiable standard with which to measure you which is why, though I hate the things you say, your instability makes it even worse.

So are you going to ever stand or fall by a Principle ? Because the only Identifiable principle I have seen is that you Hate the One who we call Jesus Christ and it is now you have disclosed the source of your hatred, which itself is an untrue testimony.

Let us end this matter once and for all..

Show me from the old testament where it was written that God son will be the Messiah and he was coming as a sacrifice for sins and we are expected to give our life to him in other to be saved..

If you can, I swear I will join you..

sonmvayina:


My parents are.. They used to force us to go when I was younger, I went as far as been a mass servant.. Just to please them, but now I know better..

Ah! I see your problem but let me digest all I have learnt about you.

donnie:

The kings that were talking were also shutting their mouths at the same time okwea?



Isaiah 53:4
[4]Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Israel was afflicted and sorrowful to carry the griefs and sorrows of the gentile kings abi? Continu.

I'm only answering you so that the foolishness of your beliefes can be evident to all.

If you even brobe these Ipob people fine, you will see that they refer to Nnamdi Kanu as MESSIAH.

See a better translation and judge for yourself

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15984

Dtruthspeaker:


Ah! I see your problem but let me digest all I have learnt about you.

Am waiting, also answer the question I set before you..

sonmvayina:


See a better translation and judge for yourself

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15984

I'm on nairaland today, ain't goin no where. Put out whatever translation you have here let's tear it up for you.

sonmvayina:


See the beginning of Isaiah. What do you make of it... Isaiah 1:1

1The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah."

It was a vision of Isaiah, not a vision of the kings. And I'm glad you believe this one is a vision and not a "dream".

sonmvayina:


Let us end this matter once and for all..

Show me from the old testament where it was written that God son will be the Messiah and he was coming as a sacrifice for sins and we are expected to give our life to him in other to be saved..

If you can, I swear I will join you..

I can settle all these matters and please do not join me

I am simply A DIY, an advocate of Natural Truths like the Sun is above us today in Abuja or if your engine is hot, you would not like to place your face on it, kind of Truth, that is all.

I require no followers just persons I could call friends because they Understand the Way of the Lord and strive to keep His Commandments, to the best of their ability that is all.

That is what I Truly Contend with you.

So where you formerly said you only believe the Bible from Genesis to Deuteronomy, which I think you have now included Isaiah, is it that you now accept from Genesis to Isaiah?

Or is it skip to Isaiah?

And quite frankly, I do not think you believe much of the contents of the Bible and if you already have problems with the part, how is it possible that I can get you to understand the whole?

sonmvayina:


Am waiting, also answer the question I set before you..

donnie:


It was a vision of Isaiah, not a vision of the kings. And I'm glad you believe this one is a vision and not a "dream".

Did you see the time frame?

Dtruthspeaker:


I can settle all these matters and please do not join me

I am simply A DIY, an advocate of Natural Truths like the Sun is above us today in Abuja or if your engine is hot, you would not like to place your face on it, kind of Truth, that is all.

I require no followers just persons I could call friends because they Understand the Way of the Lord and strive to keep His Commandments, to the best of their ability that is all.

That is what I Truly Contend with you.

So where you formerly said you only believe the Bible from Genesis to Deuteronomy, which I think you have now included Isaiah, is it that you now accept from Genesis to Isaiah?

Or is it skip to Isaiah?

And quite frankly, I do not think you believe much of the contents of the Bible and if you already have problems with the part, how is it possible that I can get you to understand the whole?

The Torah (that is from genesis to Deuteronomy) contains the laws of God that no man has any right to change or alter.. It is the heart and soul of the Bible.. The other books. contains the writing of the sages and prophet of Israel. It details their history and their suffering in the hands of their enemies.. And a promise of a better future of everlasting peace that the Messiah will usher in... When God returns all of them to the land he promised them..

God was punishing them because they failed to keep his laws.. God hold his laws in high esteem... Prophesy ended on the death of the last prophet. That would be malachi..

sonmvayina:


The Torah (that is from genesis to Deuteronomy) contains the laws of God that no man has any right to change or alter.. It is the heart and soul of the Bible.. The other books. contains the writing of the sages and prophet of Israel. It details their history and their suffering in the hands of their enemies.. And a promise of a better future of everlasting peace that the Messiah will usher in... When God returns all of them to the land he promised them..

God was punishing them because they failed to keep his laws.. God hold his laws in high esteem... Prophesy ended on the death of the last prophet. That would be malachi..

And do you stand on all these Knowings you have laid before us all as the Truths you Truly Believe?

Dtruthspeaker:


And do you stand on all these Knowings you have laid before us all as the Truths you Truly Believe?

It is not a question of believe.. They where written for us to know.. I know I should not lay with someone else's wife... So I don't...
The only way to have a relationship with God is to obey his commandments and laws..

I don't know any other way..

Dtruthspeaker:


And do you stand on all these Knowings you have laid before us all as the Truths you Truly Believe?

Create a thread.. For both of us to iron this matter out let's not derail this one..

sonmvayina:


Create a thread.. For both of us to iron this matter out let's not derail this one..

I agree

Dtruthspeaker:

Of course, when I say alone you know or ought to know that I did not mean Single, At all times but alone as in the Walking with God when compared to the greater multitude.
David was even alone before he acquired followers and he walked with God, Isreal was alone and was walking with God from when he left Issac to go to Laban.
As I said before, hang on to your crowd, I refuse to keep company with the many.

I like your style, it's not proper pestering others on such issues like this.
But one thing is certain ~

This is the end time and God's people needs to be identified in the midst of false religionsists, Jesus did say they will be IDENTIFIED {Matthew 5:13:16, 7:16-18} and SEPARATED from the world of false religions! John 17:14 compare to Revelations 18:4

All these arguement going on amongst all of you is just the result of one thing: none of you wants to IDENTIFY or be IDENTIFIED with God's own people, yet you're trying to justify your stand on Religion.

Today all the religious books on this planet be it Bible, Qur'an or any other book considered sacred is just like paper work if you can't point to those representing the author of the book.
Well i believe that's why the Author of the Bible says people need to IDENTIFY his WITNESSES in the endtime, they are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Ordinarily observing their movement and what they stand for as a group is enough to speak about their God! Isaiah 43:10-12 compare to Hebrew 11:4- 12:1

Thanks for sharing your opinion!