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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 5:59pm On Aug 13, 2020
postdigger:



I am responsible for what I dig, not the reason you think I'm digging for.
grin grin

Oya, e don do. It's past your working hours. Doo, u haff tried. Come back tomorrow.

Use d door.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 6:05pm On Aug 13, 2020
raumdeuter:


Warren brings in the radical left, Sanders people
Gretchen pick almost guarantees Michigan a state won by Trump
Klobuchar guarantees Minnesota a swing state
Val Demmings is a ex police black woman from Florida a state won by Trump in 2016
Even if Biden leads in polls, for me I believe Trump has a 5-7% who either don't get polled or don't want to admit that they support Trump to pollsters. The silent supporters
Any state Trump is not trailing by 10points he should not be ruled out
They have not done debates, and I expect Biden to fumble as he is not very coherent
White men, white women who still form the bulk of voters in most of these swing states are still there for the taking
In an electoral college election you have to be strategic
This is not just about pleasing people its targeting the places where you need to win
National poll numbers mean nothing if you are not targeting swing states

This is false. American presidential candidates have rarely chosen VP picks based primarily on their ability to win states rather, they choose based on ideology or to target specific demography.

American VP choices are rarely made on the nominees ability to win his state, this renders your entire point invalid.
Look at the last major VP choices and you see that their states are rarely of value to the presidential candidate.
For instance, pence is from Indiana, a solidly red state with only 11 electoral votes.
Tim kaine, Hillary's running mate is from Virginia, a solid democrat state with 14 votes.
Obama chose Biden from Delaware, solid blue with only 3 votes.
McCain chose Palin, Alaska leans red, few votes.
George Bush J. chose dick Cheney, solid red state with only 3 votes.

So you can see how little, states play a role in the decision making for a VP nomination. The decision is more of an ideological one and is more targeted towards certain demography.

Kamala Harris is a choice that ticks a lot of boxes and is targeted at energizing the black voting bloc seeing as most of them chose to sit out the last election which favoured Trump.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 6:05pm On Aug 13, 2020
raumdeuter:


Hidden played alongside Balon dor Modric last Friday and it ended in hot premium tears as he was the worst player on the field

Neymar played with no Balon dor yesterday and made the CL semi

So Neymar without one of the top 3 greatest players of all time in history of football, cannot win in Europe?

What a wawu

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:05pm On Aug 13, 2020
BlueMann:
£80million for Declan Rice. shocked

So what West Ham and Leicester are trying to say is that, we would have to pay £160million for...Chilwell and Rice? cheesy

O wrong nau grin
what happened to that club that wanted to sell Zaha for £80m, heard they would collect £30m now grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 6:11pm On Aug 13, 2020
BlueMann:
£80million for Declan Rice. shocked

So what West Ham and Leicester are trying to say is that, we would have to pay £160million for...Chilwell and Rice? cheesy

O wrong nau grin

If we pay 80m for our academy product, somebody needs to be fired.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:33pm On Aug 13, 2020
donjazet:


This is false. American presidential candidates have rarely chosen VP picks based primarily on their ability to win states rather, they choose based on ideology or to target specific demography.

American VP choices are rarely made on the nominees ability to win his state, this renders your entire point invalid.
Look at the last major VP choices and you see that their states are rarely of value to the presidential candidate.
For instance, pence is from Indiana, a solidly red state with only 11 electoral votes.
Tim kaine, Hillary's running mate is from Virginia, a solid democrat state with 14 votes.
Obama chose Biden from Delaware, solid blue with only 3 votes.
McCain chose Palin, Alaska leans red, few votes.
George Bush J. chose dick Cheney, solid red state with only 3 votes.

So you can see how little, states play a role in the decision making for a VP nomination. The decision is more of an ideological one and is more targeted towards certain demography.

Kamala Harris is a choice that ticks a lot of boxes and is targeted at energizing the black voting bloc seeing as most of them chose to sit out the last election which favoured Trump.

VP picks are made to balance a deficiency a candidate has among certain electorates. Kamalas traits are that she is black, immigrant descendant she is female and from a deep blue state. All these are not lacking for Joe Biden with or without Kamala. Joe is strong with blacks, strong with immigrants, Strong with women and in blue states

Trump picked Pence to appeal to the born again evangelicals who dominate the south. Traditional evangelicals have a problem with Trump whose lifestyle of debauchery and never going to really get behind him then he picked Pence who is a Pastor who has extreme isviews and believes Gay should be given electric shock therapy, A man should never go to bar unless his wife is there with him, Basically an American Deeperlife person

That added something to the Trump ticket

Obama a first term Senator who lacked experience added Biden to his ticket who brought experience and allayed the fears of those who felt he is too young and too radical. Biden brought experience and centrists

McCain was an old white guy and added Palin a young white woman who added female appeal to his ticket for a party that is reputed to be anti women in some of their policies, So Palin added something McCain did not have

Bush added McCain for experience to his ticket like Obama did with Biden

So the question again is what has Kamala added to Biden that he did not have before? What demographics or what numbers will Kamala sway that Biden did not have a majority of their votes already? Is it blacks, Is it immigrants, or is it women or is it California her home state

Post George Floyd, No black will sit out for Biden, Actually blacks were the ones who galvanized him to the ticket and if any demographic is sure for Biden its black. Biden actually said You ain't black if you are still undecided on who to choose beween him and Trump

As at June a poll has it that 92% of blacks already support Biden,
https://www.newsweek.com/92-percent-black-americans-support-biden-over-trump-poll-says-1513367
Kamala is not the only black woman available, There is Stacy Adams and Val Demmings even Susan Rice who can be more strategic than Kamala Harris

Hilary picked Tim Kaine, Before 2016. These was how Virginia elections have gone

2000 Bush 52%, Gore 44% Republicans win by 8% points
2004 Bush 53% Kerry 45% Republicans win by 8% points
2008 McCain 46% Obama 52% Dems win by 6% points
2012 Romney 47% Obama 51% Dems win by 4% points

So you think going into 2016 a state that has gone to Republicans twice, Dems twice in the last 4 elections with the last one being by 4% points is what you call a solid Democrat state?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MorataFC: 6:34pm On Aug 13, 2020
popizaino:


Manchester United has used the £100m for Jadon Sancho to renew their contract with VAR until 2023
All referees are going for medical at old Trafford tomorrow
.

haaaa
Man-cheater United
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:45pm On Aug 13, 2020
nihilistjnr:


So Neymar without one of the top 3 greatest players of all time in history of football, cannot win in Europe?

What a wawu

Hazard with a Balon dor winner cannot even make the CL quarters. What a disastrous something

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by OJURONGBE1(m): 6:54pm On Aug 13, 2020
nihilistjnr:


If we pay 80m for our academy product, somebody needs to be fired.

Manyoo paid £89m for a player (Pogba) they let go for half a million pounds. grin.
The same player is a thorn in their flesh now, refusing to sign new contract despite earning a whooping £290k in wages.

No be today dem dey use Manyoo head
Sanchez self collect
Leicester self use dem collect £80m.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Oasis007(m): 6:56pm On Aug 13, 2020
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by postdigger(m): 7:02pm On Aug 13, 2020
Oasis007:
Airmark...... Your Fav is Lit.


https://twitter.com/_starbiola/status/1293680004119834624?s=09

One guy said he should act like his lyrics, I've never seen a more accurate comment.


Alpha male for music, simp for bbn House grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Sulele04(m): 7:03pm On Aug 13, 2020
I wonder why lampard just likes expensive signings like this.
jules kounde of sevilla is a player that will not cost us more than 50 million, by far better than(rice,rudiger,brochris,tomori,zouma) all together.
martin odegaard of madrid is a player by far better than havertz, madrid will sell not up to havertz money.
gosens of atlanta with 10goals and 10assist will not cost us up to 30m but big fat frank wants to sign chillwell.
cheap talented players but lampard must go for the overhyped ones.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Oasis007(m): 7:04pm On Aug 13, 2020
postdigger:


One guy said he should act like his lyrics, I've never seen a more accurate comment.


Alpha male for music, simp for bbn House grin grin

grin

He's coming back to his senses. Off your Mic Oga.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by postdigger(m): 7:06pm On Aug 13, 2020
Oasis007:


grin

He's coming back to his senses. Off your Mic Oga.
lipsrsealed
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:19pm On Aug 13, 2020
Oasis007:
Airmark...... Your Fav is Lit.


https://twitter.com/_starbiola/status/1293680004119834624?s=09

Yeah cool, that's not even his best. Boy 'always catching fun and you no go see the trap'. grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Oasis007(m): 7:35pm On Aug 13, 2020
airmark:


Yeah cool, that's not even his best. Boy 'always catching fun and you no go see the trap'. grin

grin

Na Freestyle nah.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 7:37pm On Aug 13, 2020
raumdeuter:


VP picks are made to balance a deficiency a candidate has among certain electorates. Kamalas traits are that she is black, immigrant descendant she is female and from a deep blue state. All these are not lacking for Joe Biden with or without Kamala. Joe is strong with blacks, strong with immigrants, Strong with women and in blue states
Trump picked Pence to appeal to the born again evangelicals who dominate the south. Traditional evangelicals have a problem with Trump whose lifestyle of debauchery and never going to really get behind him then he picked Pence who is a Pastor who has extreme isviews and believes Gay should be given electric shock therapy, A man should never go to bar unless his wife is there with him, Basically an American Deeperlife person
That added something to the Trump ticket
Obama a first term Senator who lacked experience added Biden to his ticket who brought experience and allayed the fears of those who felt he is too young and too radical. Biden brought experience and centrists
McCain was an old white guy and added Palin a young white woman who added female appeal to his ticket for a party that is reputed to be anti women in some of their policies, So Palin added something McCain did not have

Bush added McCain for experience to his ticket like Obama did with Biden
So the question again is what has Kamala added to Biden that he did not have before? What demographics or what numbers will Kamala sway that Biden did not have a majority of their votes already? Is it blacks, Is it immigrants, or is it women or is it California her home state

Post George Floyd, No black will sit out for Biden, Actually blacks were the ones who galvanized him to the ticket and if any demographic is sure for Biden its black. Biden actually said You ain't black if you are still undecided on who to choose beween him and Trump
As at June a poll has it that 92% of blacks already support Biden,
https://www.newsweek.com/92-percent-black-americans-support-biden-over-trump-poll-says-1513367
Kamala is not the only black woman available, There is Stacy Adams and Val Demmings even Susan Rice who can be more strategic than Kamala Harris

Hilary picked Tim Kaine, Before 2016. These was how Virginia elections have gone

2000 Bush 52%, Gore 44% Republicans win by 8% points
2004 Bush 53% Kerry 45% Republicans win by 8% points
2008 McCain 46% Obama 52% Dems win by 6% points
2012 Romney 47% Obama 51% Dems win by 4% points
So you think going into 2016 a state that has gone to Republicans twice, Dems twice in the last 4 elections with the last one being by 4% points is what you call a solid Democrat state?

The way you dey take turn amala ehh. cheesy baba i hail thee.

This is the post you made which I responded to;
raumdeuter:

In an electoral college election you have to be strategic

This is not just about pleasing people its targeting the places where you need to win
National poll numbers mean nothing if you are not targeting swing states

You can see that you were clearly making it solely an issue of winning states for the electoral college. You listed candidates based on their ability to win states, to which I responded to let you know that American candidates don't consider states electoral value when making VP choices, rather they focus on ideology and targeting specific demography as seen below.
American presidential candidates have rarely chosen VP picks based primarily on their ability to win states rather, they choose based on ideology or to target specific demography

Now you have changed it to this;
VP picks are made to balance a deficiency a candidate has among certain electorates

and somehow hijacked my narrative and expanded on it. cheesy
Baba, I hail your style of arguments. grin

Well, to answer your new question;
The main reason Biden chose Harris is because she's black AND qualified. The other boxes she ticks are a bonus.
Again, a lot of black people sat out the last elections unlike the previous ones where they came out enmasse for Obama.
Secondly, he personally has been having some problems with black folks because of his somewhat racist past and has been facing lots of backlash for this. Kamala Harris helps in quelling such racial tensions.
Third, the current racial political situation has kind of made it imperative for him to choose a black candidate.

I don't think anybody will look at Harris and say she is a bad candidate. Making VP choices are never easy or straightforward seeing as many candidates have diverse qualities. Nobody will look at Harris as a baggage and that's okay at this point.
Many people know that this election will be a smooth sailing for Biden irrespective of who his choice is. Trump has made sure of that.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 7:41pm On Aug 13, 2020
raumdeuter:


Hazard with a Balon dor winner cannot even make the CL quarters. What a disastrous something

Modric is a dagbose fake balon for, that won it because Ronaldo was facing rape allegation.

Neymar was playing with Messi.


What do you want Hazard to gain from a Modric whos best ever season output was 3 goals and 6 assists in la liga.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 7:55pm On Aug 13, 2020
raumdeuter:
hazardfan1 and other lovers of random stats. Since its not just goals and assists that matter for an attacking player, Neymar is the top ranked player at the world cup. This is from Skysport. Argue with your ancestors



http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/11434032/sky-sports-world-cup-power-rankings-kylian-mbappe-luka-modric-soar

Dayo can you give us the skysports motm when Hazard MET Neymar? cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:58pm On Aug 13, 2020
donjazet:


The way you dey take turn amala ehh. cheesy baba i hail thee.

This is the post you made which I responded to;


You can see that you were clearly making it solely an issue of winning states for the electoral college. You listed candidates based on their ability to win states, to which I responded to let you know that American candidates don't consider states electoral value when making VP choices, rather they focus on ideology and targeting specific demography as seen below.

Did I do that or you just chose what is convenient? When I said Warren brings the radical left, what state is that? Its about bringing "something" the main candidate does not have, whether its a state or demographic or sex, or anything. Bring something the main challenger does not already have



Now you have changed it to this;


and somehow hijacked my narrative and expanded on it. cheesy
Baba, I hail your style of arguments. grin

Well, to answer your new question;
The main reason Biden chose Harris is because she's black AND qualified. The other boxes she ticks are a bonus.
Again, a lot of black people sat out the last elections unlike the previous ones where they came out enmasse for Obama.
Secondly, he personally has been having some problems with black folks because of his somewhat racist past and has been facing lots of backlash for this. Kamala Harris helps in quelling such racial tensions.
Third, the current racial political situation has kind of made it imperative for him to choose a black candidate.

I don't think anybody will look at Harris and say she is a bad candidate. Making VP choices are never easy or straightforward seeing as many candidates have diverse qualities. Nobody will look at Harris as a baggage and that's okay at this point.
Many people know that this election will be a smooth sailing for Biden irrespective of who his choice is. Trump has made sure of that.

First I dont believe Biden has to pick a black woman to win. EVen if he decides to pick a black woman there are other options
So mainly the only thing Kamala brings is that she is black in a country over millions of black. Stacy Adams is a black woman who lost Georgia governoship election by 55K votes. Her on the ballot has the potential to flip the state

Val Demmings is another black woman from Florida, former law enforcement officer which allays the fear of those who feel Democrats are soft on crime. Florida last governorship elections was lost by about 30K votes. You flip Florida you are close to winning the election

Let me use football as an analogy, A team with an already strong attack but weak defence but they keep buying stronger attackers that is what I think Kamala is to Biden, she hardly addressed any of his weak or even borderline areas
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 7:58pm On Aug 13, 2020
Oasis007:


grin

He's coming back to his senses. Off your Mic Oga.
So you stan him too. I see.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Fladm(m): 7:58pm On Aug 13, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Modric is a dagbose fake balon for, that won it because Ronaldo was facing rape allegation

Neymar was playing with Messi.


What do you want Hazard to gain from a Modric whos best ever season output was 3 goals and 6 assists in la liga.

Or maybe because he won Champions league and also got to the world cup final.. And also got the world cup golden ball.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:00pm On Aug 13, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Modric is a dagbose fake balon for, that won it because Ronaldo was facing rape allegation.

Neymar was playing with Messi.


What do you want Hazard to gain from a Modric whos best ever season output was 3 goals and 6 assists in la liga.

See Shalaye from dagbose to okrika balon dor to rapee allegations
Soon you will mention big brother and fulani herdsmen

Resist the urge to shalaye, ko nesetree

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 8:01pm On Aug 13, 2020
postdigger:


I respect you as a Chelsea fan but man's gotta dig this shit. angry
This life sha.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Oasis007(m): 8:07pm On Aug 13, 2020
handelex:
So you stan him too. I see.

grin

Like his Music.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by postdigger(m): 8:16pm On Aug 13, 2020
pamcode:
This life sha.
No reason am
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 8:19pm On Aug 13, 2020
Impressive showing by Upamecano...the guy good.
Knows how to defend, dribble and pass.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 8:20pm On Aug 13, 2020
Impressive showing by Upamecano...the guy good.
Knows how to defend, dribble and pass.

Atletico are so fvcking dangerous with their crosses.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 8:27pm On Aug 13, 2020
No cap...Leipzig sabi ball.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 8:32pm On Aug 13, 2020
raumdeuter:


See Shalaye from dagbose to okrika balon dor to rapee all[img][/img]egations
Soon you will mention big brother and fulani herdsmen

Resist the urge to shalaye, ko nesetree

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Abeg, teach me how to attach and embed pictures into nairaland like this. You clearly don't use the normal process. How do I attach a picture from my phone directly within my posts?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 8:40pm On Aug 13, 2020
Thaigo going for 30m?


undecided
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 9:06pm On Aug 13, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Dayo can you give us the skysports motm when Hazard MET Neymar? cheesy



Raumdeuter good ebening

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