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G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by DrLiveLogic(m): 11:05am On Aug 18, 2020 |
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!! We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Tobey Maguire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Tobey, you wouldn't call him Tobey but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality, still be Tobey. Obvious? ##Tobey(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)## Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God. As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4 As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability. This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in this real life movie. However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, or first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11 4 Likes |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by DrLiveLogic(m): 11:06am On Aug 18, 2020 |
Meanwhile, #BONUS# DID YOU KNOW? That angels are not sons of God in the true sense of the word. Now before you come at me, chill out! and grab a cup of coffee, uh, no, no, soda's better. LMAO. I know you wanna refer me to Job 1:3 and Genesis 6:2&4 where they're called sons of God. You're right. Even the Hebrew word, 'Ben' used to address the angels is the original word for 'son'. Prolly know all that. But!!!....what you didn't know about the Hebrew word used for sons is more important. That word 'Ben' meaning son is used by the Hebrews in a way that's too much for our English of today to convey. It doesn't just refer to a male child like in English, but actually refers to a male child who is fully grown and able to take full responsibility for the family in His father's stead - a delegate or ambassador of the family. It is for the one who can speak when the father is absent and his word stands as if it were the father's. In hebrew culture, a male child will officially attain sonship at the age of thirty and will have been thoroughly trained in the legacy of the family prior. We see then that the son arises from both procreation and then maturity/training for delegation. This is the original Hebrew concept of the word son. However just as language often develops, the word 'Ben' was later derived to be applied to delegates or representatives in general even without blood ties. So we would call employees acting in a company as representatives the sons of that company or its owner even though having no blood ties. Mere servants, depending on their status, could therefore be called 'Ben' (sons) in the sense of delegates. In this sense, before Abraham had a child of his, Isaac(Jesus typology), he called Eleazar out of all his employees, the son of his house, Genesis 15:3. Also Priest Eli's boys, as well as many others through scripture were called 'sons of Belial', 1Sam 2:12, Judg 19: 22, because they represented Belial's legacy. Job was called the greatest of the sons of the East, Job 1:3 as in those to be reckoned in the Eastern region. Many who served prophets were called sons of the prophets, 1Kin 20:35, 2 Kings 2:3, though having no blood ties with the prophet. Leviathan, is called King of all the sons of pride. Job 41:34 He is seen in all haughty ones and is king over all the sons of pride All the above are not son-father relationships but more like official or role-based relationships, say, servant-master. It is in this derived sense of 'Ben' and not the original, that certain angels who had a high status to represent the Godhead as delegates were called sons of God. It has nothing to do with having the Godhead DNA. Only members of the Godhead have this, found in the blood of Jesus, which he died to gift humanity so Adam will fulfill his destiny of becoming a son of God. Hence in NT, Jesus is distinctly called the 'only-begotten' son of God (the only one having the DNA, no angel does) i.e. a son in the original sense of the Hebrew word. Angels are mere servants and delegates not sons but Jesus acts the role of servant, Son(in the true sense), and God hence God being all in all. PS: Look out for the sequel thread soon where I unravel the mystery of the 3- in-1 and 1-in-3 Godhead in the simplest and practical explanation. 1 Like |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 6:12pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: DrLiveLogic:[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img] "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God" - Romans 8:14 The angels weren't in any sense, sons of God. Period It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are 1 Like |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 8:03pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
For DrLiveLogic and any interested interlocutor(s): 1/ Name who principally or primary are in the Godhead (i.e. Elohim) of Genesis 1:27 2/ At what point did God, the Spirit become God the Father, what point did the Word, (i.e. Logos) become the Son, and what point did the seven distinct expression of the God, the Spirit, become the Holy Spirit? 3/ Is God resigned and/or limited to just Three Persons? 4/ What is God's name? What is the implication of this name that God didnt reveal to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? 5/ Is the answer given in #4a above really God's personal name? 6/ What fundamental problems was God solving that necessitated the creation of mankind? (i.e. A&E and their progeny) 7/ Did God have an objective to achieve and purpose for creating A&E? 8/ Would you agree that "Though this be madness, yet there is method in it?" 9/ Is it hard or impossible for God to project Himself out, so to simultaneously and/or concurrently exist on earth and Heaven? 10/ Give two examples of a Being that has demonstrated the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire. In other words, here is one from 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26, so please give your two different examples please 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Csonice1: 8:19pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: I love this. you are Blessed. 1 Like |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Csonice1: 8:35pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: your first sentence is true, I don't know about the other ones. from the first sentence, I can assure you that the Spirit of God (the Spirit of Christ) leads the angels of God. refer to Ezekiel's vision of God. 1. Genesis6:2&4 There was a difference between the sons of God and the daughters of men. any source saying that they are all humans is questionable. 2. Job1:6,2:1 Satan came together with them, remember who Satan was before he lost his office and became an accuser of the brethren. The Bible here is talking about angels. 3. Job38:7 man had not been created when the sons of God shouted for joy: when God was creating the Earth. |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by KNOWMORE56: 8:41pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: The Almighty will reveal greater things to you, IJN. Thanks so much for the post. Even the 8 men in New York (they call them GB) know that Jesus is the true God. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Nobody: 8:54pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
FAITH and CREDULITY may appear the same before an observer, but when FAITH is WORKING out what is BENEFITIAL amongst it's ADHERENTS, CREDULITY keep ranting with nothing to show for it's lousiness! James 2:18-26 |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 12:39am On Aug 19, 2020 |
Csonice1:I reiterate that angels aren't in any sense, sons of God. Period It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are. Now if in circa Genesis 6:2&4 there were sons of God and the daughters of men, then there equally would have been daughters of God and the sons of men. As for Job 38:7, reading the verse contextually, shows it is talking of the creation, where the celestial being sun and moon are the sons of God. The "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon Do you know that, God, is called the Father of lights? (i.e. Father of the constellation, the sun and the moon) |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Csonice1: 7:16am On Aug 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:don't make me think you are not a Christian. I remain silent here. |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 7:22am On Aug 19, 2020 |
Csonice1:[img]https://media./images/14cd04951335766288c672c30e186f98/tenor.gif[/img] Whats that meant to mean? Deal with the truth advanced you, and refrain from going to make off tangent comments ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by DappaD: 7:41am On Aug 19, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Lol... Sure... And your Trinitarian cohorts who have varying definitions of this ‘trinity god’ of yours have already come here giving you some sort of accolades ![]() I guess you also saw this movie then: The Matrix(1999) — so why not also compare your ‘trinity god’ to that Keanu Reeves guy since you’re all about the place making comparisons between God and a fictional movie? I don’t think this has been sounded enough–or maybe I should tell you–the God that JW’s worship is different from all other worthless gods–this your trinity god included. (Micah 4:5) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Csonice1: 4:18pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Since you are desperate for an answer, I will answer you but you have to be sincere and ready to learn. I will divide them into chapters to deal with different points(even from your previous comments) Firstly, you said that the sons of God in those verses were special kind of men ( I wonder where you got that from). Now again you are saying that God is the Father of constellations; are we in an astrology class ![]() CHAPTER1: THEY ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT Like I pointed out earlier(from your comment): it's true that as many as are led by the spirit, they are the sons of God: and I was telling you that if that's the criteria for becoming the sons of God (and of course it is) then, angels are the sons of God [Ezekiel 1:4-20, Ezekiel 10:20] CHAPTER2: THERE IS NO MALE OR FEMALE you were having issue understanding Genesis6:1,2,4. Now this is the truth:There is no male or female in the Kingdom of Heaven; especially amongst angels. All Angels are usually addressed as masculine, besides I've not come across a female angel so to speak (not in the Bible). Now I'm going to give us scriptural witnesses which I'm going to quote at length, to add context to it: Luke 20:35-38 Jesus speaking, said: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him." second witness; Galatians3:26-28 "26:For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith 27:For as many [of you] as were baptized into Christ [into a spiritual union and communion with Christ, the Anointed One, the Messiah] have put on (clothed yourselves with) Christ. 28:There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." angels are prohibited from marrying, and are all addressed as sons by their Maker who knows the truth stated above. Moreover, when their offsprings emerged, it was obvious that they weren't Just humans. CHAPTER3: FAST FORWARD TO RECENT HISTORY (IN THE SAME VENUE; JOB1:6) As for Job1:6, Job2:1-7, the sons of God stated here are Angels. This event happened in God's presence and later in history, another event occured. Revelation 12:7-12 "7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." CHAPTER4:THE MORNING STAR Having said much already:I will make Job38:7 breif(hope you will understand) The morning Star is an office in heaven; whosoever qualifies for it occupies it. Satan was an occupant of that office, till he disqualified himself. Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! (morning star) how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Now Jesus is the overseer over that office. Revelation22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star" However, Jesus is not an angel; He commands them [He is their Commander in Chief]; He is God's Word; He achieves that by the power of The Spirit. He sends them on assignments to fulfill God's will. Remember, He is the Lord of he Heavens and the Earth. [ for some other angelic offices read Revelation 1:20, Revelation9:1-2 compare with Revelation 20:1-3] CHAPTER5:THE FATHER OF LIGHTS God is not the Father of constellations as you know it. He is the Father of lights and that light is recorded in John1:4&5 let's start from verse 1;;; "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.." [compare psalm119:105] With all I've said, angels are sons of God. However, there is a Hierachy. shalom. |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 5:41am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Csonice1:Listen here, and listen pretty good, my dear friend, I am not the least desperate for any of your pontificating answer, I can see below you reeled out, but I simply and actually was amused over how you meant with your "don't make me think you are not a Christian" uneducated remark Csonice1:Puffed up with conceit, is God's gift to men who know enough to think they’re right, but not enough to know they're wrong. Pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes Csonice1:Every child, every son/daughter, every man of God/woman of God are peculiar people. I am not going to share bible verses about that particular superlative with you be causing you're undeserving to know where it came from Csonice1:You, my dear friend, are confusing astronomy for astrology. Smh. KMT Csonice1:Prooftexting at its best. Smh. KMT Csonice1:I'll give you the benefit of doubt that you dont at all believe that God would EVER allow angels, fallen or not fallen, to come down to earth and "rape" His creation If you do believe and think that happened, then you, my dear friend, have another thing coming. Prooftexting, must be in season, because you seem to have taken an unhealthy delight in doing it. I am sure this isn't going to be the last of prooftexting you'll be reeling out. Smh. Csonice1:Face palm, watching you do, yet another, prooftexting, smh, with Job 1:6, Job 2:1-7 and dragging in, even Revelation 12:7-12. Mtcheew! KMT Look 'ere my dear friend, I'll make you an offer, you can't refuse and it is this. For every Bible verse, you are able to lay your hands on, that, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, shows angels presenting themselves before God, I'll match with an incontrovertible bible verse that solidly supports that, it is human beings presenting and who present themselves before God, and this, so to give you the opportunity to know that sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, are human beings presenting themselves before God, with Satan joining with invitation, and not angels, as you have incorrectly learnt them to be. The sons of God, in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 are Job's seven sons! I now expect you to komanbitmi in my aos for saying the truth Csonice1:"14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so. 16God made two great lights: the greater light (i.e. sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (i.e. moon) to rule the night. And He made the stars as well. 17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth, 18to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good." - Genesis 1:14-18 "Praise Him, O sun and moon; praise Him, all you shinning stars" - Psalms 148:3 I understand you enjoy prooftexting and succumbing to tomfooleries, quite a lot. Fyi, Context of a content is king. Had it being you had humbly read Job 38:7 contextually, that's meaning, if you employed the good sense of reading the whole of Job chapter 38, as in, right from the start, to the end of Job chapter 38, you would have stumbled on the epiphany and/or satori, that the chapter and particularly Job 38:7 is talking of creation, that of course, took place, on the fourth day at Genesis 1:14-18 and subsequently, the thereafter Job 38:7 and Psalms 148:3 reminiscence |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by DrLiveLogic(m): 12:31am On Aug 22, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:1/ Father, Word and Spirit 2/ Father, Word and Spirit have no beginning. But the Word became Son of Man in the incarnation. 3/ Depends on your definition of 'person'. But if you take your soul as one person, YHWH is one person too. The 3 are aspects of this one person. 4/ Don't know what you're getting at but there are many names referred to as God's. Depends on the frame you want it. 5/ N/A 6/I don't understand you or how this connects to subject of thread. Maybe you should tell 7/ As explained, the destiny of Man is to have the experience of the Godhead, not merely the angelic or supernatural. 8/ Not understood. 9/ When you see Father and Word in heaven and Word as Son on earth at the same time, you should be satisfied. John 3:13. 10/ Don't see the essence of this. If your examples are true, then we can go with them, can't we? Csonice1:Thanks. You too. KNOWMORE56:Amen to your prayers. Thanks much and you're welcome. DappaD:You guys used to claim that it was neither biblical nor sensible to believe the Triune One. I have shown you biblical evidence no single one of you have been able to refute till date, with more coming, and now I want you to see the sense of this message. Blabbermouth:Sorry bro. You just don't know the truth. While Emusan is doing a good job on his thread rubbishing the popular JW Johannine comma refutation, the whole scripture is replete with the message of a triune God. Before I even take you further, let me ask what your stance on the Triune Godhead is in explicit terms. Plus, you seem to have a really hard time with foreknowledge and predestination which shouldn't be that complicated actually. Maybe we'd look into that since I'm planning on a related thread soon. haddeylium:You seem open enough, you should re-educate yourself on the doctrine of a triune God. Start here and go through all my posts #1-#6 and tell me what you think. 2 Likes |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 12:38am On Aug 22, 2020 |
[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img] In my best Arnold Schwarzenegger catchphrase impression: I'll be back |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Nobody: 3:00am On Aug 22, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: There is just one single difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and all other religions on this planet:- We are interested in the one and only group that's practicing pure worship No matter the arguement anyone put up so far you can't present the group perfectly practicing what you're saying, we'll just take you as an atheist of another clan! ![]() Worshipers of God (according to Jesus of Nazareth) must ©Be united in line of thought {John 17:21-23 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10} so they're not supposed to be divided in reasoning! Luke 11:23 ©Must be widely recognisable by their strong bond of union (LOVE) John 13:34-35 ©Must be globally known for their zeal for the worship of their God! Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20 Whoever puts up arguements anywhere, anytime and on any forum but failed to present the GROUP practicing what he is saying, is simply mocking God as a failure, such a person is a disguised atheist! ![]() Look at the below picture, the people are all well dressed and they're all looking good but see what each person has in mind, that's what Satan has done to the entire inhabited earth. But God's own people have separated themselves, so they need to be recognized as a group that everyone can speak of what they'll do in every situation due to their same line of thought! Do you know a GROUP of people like that apart from Jehovah's Witnesses? ![]()
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Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by johnw47: 4:20am On Aug 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: false jw mad max you also post pictures of well dressed looking good false jw's but what is on their minds? well we can know that impure and prideful things are on their minds by the impure and prideful things on your mind: 1. telling the world how your wife trivina loves to play with your penis 2. telling of how you shave your wife trivinas's pussy 2. boasting-lying of how single handed you could destroy 6 military combatants 4. non stop lying etc. etc. etc. and that woman in your pic with shoes-clothes on her mind, just like you false jw's have on your minds and the man with money on his mind, you used to accuse me of being poor and you would brag how you could buy your wife expensive gifts, hypercrite and habitual liar of course: Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Joh 8:44 You come from your father, the devil, and you desire to do what your father wants you to do. The devil was a murderer from the beginning. He has never been truthful. He doesn't know what the truth is. Whenever he tells a lie, he's doing what comes naturally to him. He's a liar and the father of lies. 1 Like |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Nobody: 4:46am On Aug 22, 2020 |
It's OK Mr John! ![]() johnw47: |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by johnw47: 5:17am On Aug 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: unstable false jw mad max noticed you cannot refute anything i said, oh impure puffed up know nothing liar hypercrite , laugh |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Blabbermouth: 7:39am On Aug 22, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:To start with, you said I'm having a hard time understanding predestination and foreknowledge. Well thanks to our reliable big brothers in the house, in persons of, Shade, Muttley, Maximus, Dappa, Haddey and so on, it seems things are finally falling in place. Sadly, their answers have not been without some issh so the floor is still open for you to give a perfect answer with no loopholes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know the truth? Well, kosi problem. If I were to be in a face-to-face conversation, I will rather say "the Trinity doctrine needs to be rechecked/perfectly put aright" than say "the Trinity doctrine is false"... I know of a God who is not actually a person, Far complicated in structure, and calling him a person is synonymous to technically limiting him. I know of a man who was born of a virgin. He was not fashioned after Adam but After God himself. Such man I know of who being Divine in essence (yet not a person) became a Human and by merit became a Divine being and held an office that achieved (or say, completed) what God so desired and principally purposed to achieve when He smite the anvil of his omnipotence to begin creation. I know of a spirit though not like mine but still is a spirit of an infinite higher complexity. This spirit is the spirit of the entity (not a person, Something much more higher and complex) called God. |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Csonice1: 9:04am On Aug 22, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I think I have an idea of what humility is about; but humility is not when you lie that you don't have what God has given you; whenever you come across a true learner of God's word( not those trying to tailor it to fit 'em ) you become edified, and there are witnesses in God's Word as a proof of His teaching. While you are busy celebrating your presumed victory in arguments on nairaland, truly humble people are ready to go back to God, the source of Wisdom and ask questions (humbly), interact with His Word; prayerfully, as touching his insight, revelation and clarity. And behold, He even expounds it greater to such a one by His Word; giving him even more witnesses (in this alone does he rejoice) so that a human like Paul can say "Brethren, I don't want to have you ignorant" And as he is teaching, he can boldly say, "If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant" It's not pride, it's sincerity. I learn only from the Word, and any one who teaches the Word truly. it can be discerned, I must tell you. I don't believe in opinions. God's Word is not limited to human views. Now concerning rape; what does the Bible say about rape without any alarm raised? .The ladies consented to it, it wasn't rape. God had to wipe them all off. I don't see any need to answer the rest : The answers you seek are up there and most importantly, in God's Word. |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Nobody: 9:26am On Aug 22, 2020 |
johnw47: There is nothing to refute nah! ![]() Many like you think it's wrong for a believer to be a Mr/Mrs Romantic, whereas God's word doesn't support such odd thinking! The Bible in many verses talks about private body parts {Song of Solomon 7:1-3} and it also shows how a man or woman can stick to his/her marriage vows as they remain faithful to their mates by being ROMANTIC! Proverbs 5:19 So if a preacher now tell you that himself and his wife often enjoy sex even saying things that excites you in their private life. You should know that there is lots of things to learn from the way people managed to keep their marital vows intact Sir! 2Timothy 3:16-17 ![]() |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 9:49am On Aug 22, 2020 |
Csonice1:You have no idea what the word humility means. You are more puffed than a puff adder. Need I go on? Need I say more? Csonice1:Yinmu, be deceiving yourself there Csonice1:Face palm and smh. Are you really spewing this hogwash, hmm? You really think it was because of rape, that the Noahide flood happened, hmm? Wetin Musa no go hear from miguard gate house? Do you at all understand the implication of Genesis 6:3? How long God long suffered in silence for before the flood happened. Did God, being a Just and Fair God, not give an escape route plus get-out-of-jail free pass, hmm? Csonice1:Your self conceit, biblical truth decay, shortcomings and inadequacies wouldn't allow you admit that you need to 2 Timothy 2:15 seek answers You are in desperately dire need of answers, a lot more, than I do, my dear biblically undereducated dear friend, who believes that angels had sexual intercourse with female human beings, smh. KMT |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Csonice1: 9:51am On Aug 22, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I forgive you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen. |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by johnw47: 9:54am On Aug 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: unstable false jw mad max nothing to refute, OK so you agree with me that: we can know that impure and prideful things are on the minds of false jw's because impure and prideful things are on your mind like in: 1. telling the world how your wife trivina loves to play with your penis 2. telling of how you shave your wife trivinas's pussy 2. boasting-lying of how single handed you could destroy 6 military combatants 4. non stop lying etc. etc. etc. and you agree with me that: the woman in your pic with shoes-clothes on her mind, is the same as you false jw's have on your minds and you agree with me that: the man with money on his mind, is the same as you who used to accuse me of being poor and you would brag how you could buy your wife expensive gifts, unstable mad max, you are as duh and as unintelligent as lie lie rozz |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 9:56am On Aug 22, 2020 |
Csonice1:It's not enough that you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, forgive others, but you have to be able to forgive yourself too, especially for your ignorance, slander, under education and lack of depth. You must first forgive yourself, in order to forgive others, so forgive yourself first, before ever thinking of forgiving anyone else. Forgive yourself for yourself for not knowing better. Forgive yourself for not knowing what you should already know. Forgive yourself for the mistake of advancing the eisegesis, that angels had sexual intercourse with female human beings. Csonice1, forgive yourself for slandering the angelic hosts of heaven. Forgive yourself for judging in the first place. Look 'ere my dear friend, I earlier made you an offer, you can't refuse and it was for every Bible verse, you are able to lay your hands on, that, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, shows angels presenting themselves before God, I'll match with an incontrovertible bible verse that solidly supports, that, it is human beings presenting and who present themselves before God, and this, so to give you the opportunity to know that sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, are human beings presenting themselves before God, with Satan joining with invitation, and not angels, as you have incorrectly learned them to be, but what happened. You are all mouth but no trousers and religiously talking out of turn |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Nobody: 10:10am On Aug 22, 2020 |
johnw47: Happiness is free my friend, you can be happy even with the little you have! ![]()
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Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 11:02am On Aug 22, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: DappaD: DappaD:Present sir, and as you can see it was me who shared the Matrix video, so you and I have walked up this garden path before, but it causes embarrassment, to see that you aren't any the wiser yet on this subject, biblical truth and biblical fact, that God is not a "not-known-number" of person. God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity. God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible Smh |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 11:02am On Aug 22, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:I am back, that's me, doing my edited best Arnold Schwarzenegger catchphrase impression, made famous in the 1984 science fiction film The Terminator. So, thanks for having a go at the 10 easy, simple, direct, innocent, harmless and straightforward questions, albeit, you: 1/ Prevaricated original question #2. 2/ Didnt give an outright binary Yes or No response to original question #3 3/ Dodged easy, simple direct and straightforward original question #4 hence original question #5 became victim of the inability of no answer coming forth of original question #4 4/ As for original question #6, that was overstepped, please review the thread's title, to know that God doesnt do things, mindlessly or do things on the whim. Necessity after all is the mother of invention/creation. Aside from creating man for His pleasure, there are/were underlining issues that need addressing and/or solving 5/ We know about having the experience of the Godhead, but original question #7 is asking of the core objective to achieve and purpose for creating A&E, backed up with valid bible verse(s) 6/ Right from Eden, leaving A&E with the TKGE et cetera it all seems like madness, but of course, there's a method in all of it, so was merely asking you if without demur, you concur with question #8 7/ Original question #9 required a binary Yes or No answer, and not your unsolicited admonition 8/ The point and the essence of original question #10, is that only God has the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire. I kindly and generously gave 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26, as demonstrated examples, and didnt think it will be hard to find two examples of a Being demonstrated similar to see and signified that such is God. Capisce now? Do you see the relevance of original question #10 now, hmm? |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by Csonice1: 5:42pm On Aug 22, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I didn't know this could come from you. well, whatever happens; there are dispensations, and the angels that kept not their original estates: i thought you knew that, I'm sorry. Let me make this clear. There are wonderful angels, I believe strongly that the manifestation of God's blessings to the Church is mostly through angels. they are obedient and reflect God's image; in power, purity, wisdom and strength. on the other hand, angels can disobey: just like Satan and his cohorts who are still roaming the Earth till an appointed time, and those who are kept in everlasting chains(or for a very long time), in the bottomless pit, very fierce and wicked spirits: God never judged them for nothing; they're are transgressors; who kept not their original estates as angels. Some are not even under Satan, surprisingly. ( I'm not a party to your blasphemy. I'm only propelled to teach by the wisdom given and the love for God and for the Brethren: it grieves me to hear people making boasts in erroneous teachings. as for your offer, I can decline any and every offer, but I'm still propelled, for to whom much is given, much is expected. To you it's easier for God to be the Father of constellations,moon, planets, than for angels to be called the sons of God?.God forbid. I'm sure that everything created can praise God but I've not known better a better choir than the choirs of the Angelic host. even some of their songs are written down in scriptures." when the Bible says "the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy" don't add to it. Sincerely speaking, 'morning star' is the same as the word 'lucifer' (search it out); almost all of us know what that position entails: we also have an example of one who kept not his original estate as the son of the morning; as the morning star, but was cast down. They are all written in my Bible; and I believe they should be in yours too.] i think we'll (or I'll, if you don't want to) wrap it up here. |
Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by bloodofthelamb(m): 6:02pm On Aug 22, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Hmmmmm, making a lot of sense. 1 Like |
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